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Ali · Guest

Good Folks,

I hope its not OT and i>m in right place;-)

I>m looking for zoom module for Pan/Tilt camera (surveillance
camera). Lots of options are out there but unfortunately couldn>t
find even single that can fulfill our requirements. All available zoom
modules are 1) huge and 2) heavy for our delicate and tiny motorized
pan/tilt platform. After doing lot of search i>m stuck with
fundamental questions. Is it the technical barrier that all available
zoom (say 10x zoom) assemblies are huge or its merely a common
practice? Does it has to do something with lens diameter ?

All available 10x zoom modules are roughly (L)100-to-70×(W)60-
to-40×(H)40-to-33 in mm.

Is it possible to find some solution that comes with light weight and
small in size? I>m ok with even 5x zoom. Is it possible to have (L)30-
to-20×(W)15-to-10×(H)15-to-10 zoom module? Or i am just lost as i
really don>t know anything about optics ;-)

regards,
ali

Below are few zoom modules :

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/203889242/10X_Zoom_Lens.html

http://www.keekoon.com/products_en.asp?catid=26

http://www.cnbtec.com/en/html/product/product.php?seqx_prod=51

http://www.cnbtec.com/en/html/product/product_list.php?maxx=1&midx=2

http://www.statcctv.com/list_pro.asp?typeID=56

Ali · Guest

On Oct 6, 4:28 pm, Charles <ckr...@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 00:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Ali <abdulra...@gmail.com
wrote:

Good Folks,

I hope its not OT and i>m in right place;-)

I>m looking for zoom module for Pan/Tilt camera (surveillance
camera). Lots of options are out there but unfortunately couldn>t
find even single that can fulfill our requirements. All available zoom
modules are 1) huge and 2) heavy for our delicate and tiny motorized
pan/tilt platform. After doing lot of search i>m stuck with
fundamental questions. Is it the technical barrier that all available
zoom (say 10x zoom) assemblies are huge or its merely a common
practice? Does it has to do something with lens diameter ?

All available 10x zoom modules are roughly (L)100-to-70×(W)60-
to-40×(H)40-to-33 in mm.

Is it possible to find some solution that comes with light weight and
small in size? I>m ok with even 5x zoom. Is it possible to have (L)30-
to-20×(W)15-to-10×(H)15-to-10 zoom module? Or i am just lost as i
really don>t know anything about optics ;-)

regards,
ali

Below are few zoom modules :

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/203889242/10X_Zoom_Lens.html

http://www.keekoon.com/products_en.asp?catid=26

http://www.cnbtec.com/en/html/product/product.php?seqx_prod=51

http://www.cnbtec.com/en/html/product/product_list.php?maxx=1&midx=2

http://www.statcctv.com/list_pro.asp?typeID=56

Could you adapt something from a small digital camera. I>m thinking
of the credit card sized ones. Some mechanical cleverness would be
involved, but they are rather small.
[/quote]
Charles: Thanks for follow-up. Yeah that>s what i am gonna do as well.
But the point is those cameras have really little zoom ratio.

cheers,
ali

Charles · Guest

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 00:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Ali <abdulrazaq@gmail.com>
wrote:

[quote]Good Folks,

I hope its not OT and i>m in right place;-)

I>m looking for zoom module for Pan/Tilt camera (surveillance
camera). Lots of options are out there but unfortunately couldn>t
find even single that can fulfill our requirements. All available zoom
modules are 1) huge and 2) heavy for our delicate and tiny motorized
pan/tilt platform. After doing lot of search i>m stuck with
fundamental questions. Is it the technical barrier that all available
zoom (say 10x zoom) assemblies are huge or its merely a common
practice? Does it has to do something with lens diameter ?

All available 10x zoom modules are roughly (L)100-to-70×(W)60-
to-40×(H)40-to-33 in mm.

Is it possible to find some solution that comes with light weight and
small in size? I>m ok with even 5x zoom. Is it possible to have (L)30-
to-20×(W)15-to-10×(H)15-to-10 zoom module? Or i am just lost as i
really don>t know anything about optics ;-)

regards,
ali

Below are few zoom modules :

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/203889242/10X_Zoom_Lens.html

http://www.keekoon.com/products_en.asp?catid=26

http://www.cnbtec.com/en/html/product/product.php?seqx_prod=51

http://www.cnbtec.com/en/html/product/product_list.php?maxx=1&midx=2

http://www.statcctv.com/list_pro.asp?typeID=56
[/quote]

Could you adapt something from a small digital camera. I>m thinking
of the credit card sized ones. Some mechanical cleverness would be
involved, but they are rather small.

DougD · Guest

In article <adf32767-bd2e-4a4a-a193-f0191892ab95@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com>, Ali <abdulrazaq@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Good Folks,

I hope its not OT and i>m in right place;-)

I>m looking for zoom module for Pan/Tilt camera (surveillance
camera). Lots of options are out there but unfortunately couldn>t
find even single that can fulfill our requirements. All available zoom
modules are 1) huge and 2) heavy for our delicate and tiny motorized
pan/tilt platform. After doing lot of search i>m stuck with
fundamental questions. Is it the technical barrier that all available
zoom (say 10x zoom) assemblies are huge or its merely a common
practice? Does it has to do something with lens diameter ?

All available 10x zoom modules are roughly (L)100-to-70=D7(W)60-
to-40=D7(H)40-to-33 in mm.

Is it possible to find some solution that comes with light weight and
small in size? I>m ok with even 5x zoom. Is it possible to have (L)30-
to-20=D7(W)15-to-10=D7(H)15-to-10 zoom module? Or i am just lost as i
really don>t know anything about optics ;-)

regards,
ali

[/quote]
Have you looked into Sony>s line of OEM camera modules? It>s been a few
years now, I spec>d out an EV320(?) to be use by LA County Sheriff for
their digital fingerprinting/mugshot systems. Similar problem in that we
had to have very small and lightweight zoom on a pan/tilt head that had
some smarts built into it. The Sony>s came with all sort of niffy options
like RS-232 control over every function so that we could do white balance
on the fly, and zoom/focus over serial control from the booking platform.
That line has since expanded into firewire, etc. but I haven>t had a look
at them for a few years now, so I>m sure I>ve missed a lot. These EV
modules were very popular in dome surv. cameras in Vegas, again
for the small size, and a very good image. The main rep that I dealt
with was Boris from their NJ office, I>d take a look online first though.

Good luck!
D.
(I have no connection, etc. with Sony other than being an end user)

Ali · Guest

On Oct 7, 4:17 am, m...@here.com (DougD) wrote:
[quote]In article <adf32767-bd2e-4a4a-a193-f0191892a...@z11g2000prl.googlegroups..com>, Ali <abdulra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Good Folks,

I hope its not OT and i>m in right place;-)

I>m looking for zoom module for Pan/Tilt camera (surveillance
camera). Lots of options are out there but unfortunately couldn>t
find even single that can fulfill our requirements. All available zoom
modules are 1) huge and 2) heavy for our delicate and tiny motorized
pan/tilt platform. After doing lot of search i>m stuck with
fundamental questions. Is it the technical barrier that all available
zoom (say 10x zoom) assemblies are huge or its merely a common
practice? Does it has to do something with lens diameter ?

All available 10x zoom modules are roughly (L)100-to-70=D7(W)60-
to-40=D7(H)40-to-33 in mm.

Is it possible to find some solution that comes with light weight and
small in size? I>m ok with even 5x zoom. Is it possible to have (L)30-
to-20=D7(W)15-to-10=D7(H)15-to-10 zoom module? Or i am just lost as i
really don>t know anything about optics ;-)

regards,
ali

Have you looked into Sony>s line of OEM camera modules? It>s been a few
years now, I spec>d out an EV320(?) to be use by LA County Sheriff for
their digital fingerprinting/mugshot systems. Similar problem in that we
had to have very small and lightweight zoom on a pan/tilt head that had
some smarts built into it. The Sony>s came with all sort of niffy options
like RS-232 control over every function so that we could do white balance
on the fly, and zoom/focus over serial control from the booking platform.
That line has since expanded into firewire, etc. but I haven>t had a look
at them for a few years now, so I>m sure I>ve missed a lot. These EV
modules were very popular in dome surv. cameras in Vegas, again
for the small size, and a very good image. The main rep that I dealt
with was Boris from their NJ office, I>d take a look online first though.

Good luck!
D.
(I have no connection, etc. with Sony other than being an end user)
[/quote]

Snip:

[quote]Have you looked into Sony>s line of OEM camera modules? It>s been a few
years now, I spec>d out an EV320(?) to be use by LA County Sheriff for
their digital fingerprinting/mugshot systems.
[/quote]
Can you please point to some web link or any valid pointer ? I cann>t
find anything while using keywords like "sony EV320" , "EV320" or
"EV320 + zoom".

[quote]Similar problem in that we had to have very small and lightweight zoom on a >pan/tilt head that had some smarts built into it.
[/quote]
Thats what i am looking for. In terms of unit say ~70 grams would be
even a lot for me.

regards,
ali

Ali · Guest

On Oct 7, 11:26 am, m...@here.com (DougD) wrote:
[quote]In article <800ab215-83df-47c7-8fa2-15303b87c...@r15g2000prd.googlegroups..com>, Ali <abdulra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you please point to some web link or any valid pointer ? I cann>t
find anything while using keywords like "sony EV320" , "EV320" or
"EV320 + zoom".

Similar problem in that we had to have very small and lightweight zoom on > >a >pan/tilt head that had some smarts built into it.

Thats what i am looking for. In terms of unit say ~70 grams would be
even a lot for me.

Here>s a URL to a company that sells the type of Sony modular camera>s
that I>ve used.

http://tinyurl.com/3vb6t9

I>ll try and dig out a contact name at Sony that you can use to find more
information if this looks like something that you could use. I>ll try and
post that here in the next few hours..

d.
[/quote]
Thanks for that.
But too much to get by as it says

# Weight: Approx. 230g (8.1 oz)
# Dimensions (W x H x D): 55.3 x 57.5 x 88.5 mm (2 1/4 x 2 3/8 x 3 1/2
inches

And my pan/tilt diameter is around 60mm and can>t drive the weight
more than 70g
Anyway, thanks again.

ali

DougD · Guest

In article <800ab215-83df-47c7-8fa2-15303b87cb93@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Ali <abdulrazaq@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]Can you please point to some web link or any valid pointer ? I cann>t
find anything while using keywords like "sony EV320" , "EV320" or
"EV320 + zoom".
[/quote]
Here>s the link to Sony>s OEM and industrial type products. You should be
able to find something here. Also, Sony is very good at making up custom
modules to fit your application, so it>s worth talking to them even if you
don>t see what you need, if you ask they may be able to help design
one for you. They have all sorts of camera>s that they never advertise,
but are willing to sell if you>re willing to sign a contract with them.

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-industrialcameras/

As well, Sharp Electronics have all sorts of OEM camera/zoom
modules. I had tested theirs prior to selecting the Sony>s and it
was close. I don>t have a current contact name for Sharp, but
doing some searches on Google for "Sharp OEM camera
modules" should give you some results.
Good luck!

d.

DougD · Guest

In article <800ab215-83df-47c7-8fa2-15303b87cb93@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Ali <abdulrazaq@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]Can you please point to some web link or any valid pointer ? I cann>t
find anything while using keywords like "sony EV320" , "EV320" or
"EV320 + zoom".

Similar problem in that we had to have very small and lightweight zoom on =
a >pan/tilt head that had some smarts built into it.

Thats what i am looking for. In terms of unit say ~70 grams would be
even a lot for me.
[/quote]
Here>s a URL to a company that sells the type of Sony modular camera>s
that I>ve used.

http://tinyurl.com/3vb6t9

I>ll try and dig out a contact name at Sony that you can use to find more
information if this looks like something that you could use. I>ll try and
post that here in the next few hours..

d.

Bob May · Guest

OEM stuff often isn>t on the web. You have to contact a Sony Rep. to get
the info.

--
Bob May

rmay at nethere.com
http: slash /nav.to slash bobmay
http: slash /bobmay dot astronomy.net

DougD · Guest

In article <Vs-dndf40fPR3nDVnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@got.net>, "Bob May" <bobmay@nethere.com> wrote:
[quote]OEM stuff often isn>t on the web. You have to contact a Sony Rep. to get
the info.

[/quote]
Also, I>ve found that they are very willing to take old inventory which is new
condition, and "re-purpose" it for OEM use. We got our hands on
their EV9-something 3 chip modular camera that they had
discontinued, but had filling up their shelves. We asked to have the
RS-232 options that were available on their new cameras fitted
to the EV9, as well as a genlock option, and they had them re-worked
and in our hands in less than 2 weeks, and for 50% of MSRP. Pretty
good deal! In the end we stuck with a single chip camera, and once
we signed a NDA they gave us all sorts of goodies to help us get
exactly the camera we needed. Very good folks to work with, or
at least back then in the 90s. Those nice looking mug shots of
Mel Gibson, etc. were all taken with those camera>s, so it worked
out well considering the scope of the project..(200+ booking
stations in LA County).

d.


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