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bznoo
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 Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: Year Thus Far Cold, Hansen Up to Old Shenanigans in October |
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Joseph D>Aleo, CCM, AMS Fellow
11 Nov 2008
NOAA shows the first ten months of the year were cold over many areas of the
country from the Northwest to the Central States. Above normal temperatures
were confined to sections of the east and southwest.
October was a cold month in many areas of the east and central states. For
the nation as a whole, the average October temperature of 54.5 degrees F was
0.3 degree F below the 20th Century average, based on preliminary data.
Globally October in most data bases maintained about the same level as
September with one glaring exception, Hansen>s NASA GISS. There may be a
second high value in the next few weeks, NOAA GHCN shares many of the same
data points and adjustments or lack thereof will probably come in on the
high side. Hadley Centre also will not report also for another week. It has
remained more in line with the satellite in recent years.
The data bases all have different base periods, which contribute to the
relative differences. NASA uses the coldest base period 1951 to 1980, Hadley
the second coldest 1961 to 1990, UAH and RSS MSU the warmest 1979 to 1998.
It was mild in parts of southeast Europe and Asia in October. The arctic ice
developed at a record pace in October, but snowcover was slow to increase
until the last week. It has now quickly expanded to just above the normal
for the hemisphere for the date. See latest plots of FSU snow data for the
date here.
The plot of temperatures since 2002 is remarkable for the departures shown.
NASA GISS is a full degree F warmer than the satellite measurements, which
continue the downtrend of 0.2C since 2002. Even with the bogus warmth, GISS
depicts a small downtrend here.
See this Watts Up With That guest post by John Goetz and read the
interesting comments on Hansen>s folly. He provides the following update:
Update: Thanks to an email from John S. - a patron of climateaudit.org - we
have learned that the Russian data in NOAA?s GHCN v2.mean dataset is
corrupted. For most (if not all) stations in Russia, the September data has
been replicated as October data, artificially raising the October
temperature many degrees. The data from NOAA is used by GISS to calculate
the global temperature. Thus the record-setting anomaly for October 2008 is
invalid and we await the highly-publicised corrections from NOAA and GISS.
Note the problem appears to extend to other locations including the UK,
which had a cold October but shows warm in the Hansen analysis. See also
coverage of this NOAA/NASA error at Climate Audit here.
http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=2070
Warmest Regards
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Ouroboros_Rex
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: Year Thus Far Cold, Hansen Up to Old Shenanigans in Octo |
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bznoo wrote:
[quote]Joseph D>Aleo,
[/quote]
....denialist liar. |
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Clifford
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Year Thus Far Cold, Hansen Up to Old Shenanigans in Octo |
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"Ouroboros_Rex" <its@casual.com> wrote in message
news:Duednf39CohmZIfUnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
[quote]bznoo wrote:
Joseph D>Aleo,
...denialist liar.
Refute the facts rather than name calling.[/quote] |
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Ouroboros_Rex
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Year Thus Far Cold, Hansen Up to Old Shenanigans in Octo |
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Clifford wrote:
[quote]"Ouroboros_Rex" <its@casual.com> wrote in message
news:Duednf39CohmZIfUnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
bznoo wrote:
Joseph D>Aleo,
...denialist liar.
Refute the facts rather than name calling.
[/quote]
I>m commenting on the OP>s ridiculous sourcing habits, not the info
presented. yawn
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Joseph_D>Aleo |
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Clifford
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: Re: Year Thus Far Cold, Hansen Up to Old Shenanigans in Octo |
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"Ouroboros_Rex" <its@casual.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Clifford wrote:
"Ouroboros_Rex" <its@casual.com> wrote in message
news:Duednf39CohmZIfUnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
bznoo wrote:
Joseph D>Aleo,
...denialist liar.
Refute the facts rather than name calling.
I>m commenting on the OP>s ridiculous sourcing habits, not the info
presented. yawn
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Joseph_D>Aleo
Quoting sourcewatch is the equivalent of saying the Democrats are wrong,[/quote]
just read the RNC site.
Please try again. |
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Ouroboros_Rex
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Year Thus Far Cold, Hansen Up to Old Shenanigans in Octo |
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Clifford wrote:
[quote]"Ouroboros_Rex" <its@casual.com> wrote in message
news:Vc6dnYlvrtEio4bUnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
Clifford wrote:
"Ouroboros_Rex" <its@casual.com> wrote in message
news:Duednf39CohmZIfUnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
bznoo wrote:
Joseph D>Aleo,
...denialist liar.
Refute the facts rather than name calling.
I>m commenting on the OP>s ridiculous sourcing habits, not the info
presented. yawn
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Joseph_D>Aleo
Quoting sourcewatch is the equivalent of saying the Democrats are
wrong, just read the RNC site.
[/quote]
Suuuure it is. lol
The RNC site is full of transparent lies. Which of SourceWatch>s facts do
you dispute? |
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