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jacko · Guest

On Jul 14, 6:52 pm, Jim Leonard <MobyGa...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 13, 2:51 pm, jacko <jackokr...@gmail.com> wrote:

I suggest doing major manipulation of a generated carrier, and
collecting the user input stream onto it.

How? Where is this step documented? How is the carrier manipulated
to match the input stream?
[/quote]
The carrier is not matched to the input stream. The carrier is
generated independent of the input stream. It is modulated by the
input stream, but he input stream does not control what type of
carrier that needs generating. it be in the opensquirt pdf

jacko · Guest

On Jul 14, 8:18 pm, Industrial One <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 13, 1:51 pm, jacko <jackokr...@gmail.com> wrote:

about 15KB/s max depending on time of day.

Dayum... I feel sorry for you. Why are you using your phone as a
modem? Can>t you afford a real internet account, or ya don>t care?
[/quote]
Landline/landlord problems.

[quote]Oh, the input is generated by the carrier?

The carrier is dependent on it>s last value, so indirectly it depends
on if a modulation was done.

Whaddya mean by last value? Last bit?

Yes, plus the internal memory of the carrier.

Internal memory?

ring position, plane occupied and prbs seed.

Ah, the ticks of the clock? And whats a PRBS seed? I assume the PR
stands for pseudorandom. What>s the role/use of that?
[/quote]
to achive 50:50 randomization as a starting point, to get a lower
entropy stream by further processing.

[quote]Wouldn>t 100 become 1011? since 1>10 and 0>1?

if the carrier bit is 1 then no user information is stored, so no it
wouldn>t, and where did you come up with the 0->1 thing from? a zero
in the carrier will be turned into a 1 in the carrier on modulation,
but a zero in the input stream will never cause a modulation, so 0 -
0.

Sorry, I re-read that 2005 post where you explain modulation. Some 0s
in the CARRIER stream are modulated to ones, k.

yes, HELD in the carrier by modulation.

If you modulate the pseudorandom 100-byte sequence below with the
arugment 1>10

0001011110010001110101000000011101101110100100001101001000101000011000001101100101100011101110110111

it becomes:

111101101010101110111101010110110111111110101011010110101011011101111101011011101111011011111010111111010110101110110101111010101101010110101101010

No it doesn>t where are the runs of 0s.

and if we XOR (you don>t mention this but I recall it in an email) it
becomes

000010010101010001000010101001001000000001010100101001010100100010000010100100010000100100000101000000101001010001001010000101010010101001010010101

I said nothing about XOR ing the user input sream with anything. At
certain points in generating the carrier, the carrier is XORed with a
PRBS.

I falsely thought I recalled you telling me that in an email, I re-
read it as well.
[/quote]
maybe i miss explained it, but XOR not for the input stream in any
way.

[quote]Now what is the COMPLETE process? if 100 becomes 110 then:

000011010101011001100010101101101100000001010110101101010110110011000010110110011000110110000101100000101101011001101011000101011010101101011010101

You seem to be stuck on the idea that I am carrying out major
manipulation of the user input stream. I do not suggest this in any
way. I suggest doing major manipulation of a generated carrier, and
collecting the user input stream onto it.

This is what I don>t get. My narrow-minded mind is just being modest,
but how exactly is the carrier generated? Are the carrier bits
(initial, not including the user input that>ll later be collected into
it) directly affected by the specified input stream, even when it
changes by a single bit somewhere? Or can different user inputs be
absorbed into the same carrier?
[/quote]
differing/any input absorbed onto same carrier.

[quote]No.

Ok, the carrier bits are like periodic "stat checkspoints" for the
user input stream?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
No the main carrier bit is the modulated one. the other carrier bits
are the memory of the carrier generator algorithm. The carrier is both
movable to t+1 and t-1.

define "stat checkpoints" ??

The carrier is pseudo-periodic in that it woulkd be periodic if the
input steam modulated it in an exact periodic fashion.
but as we know, the user input stream is not periodic if totally
random, hence carrier is pseudo-periodic.

cheers.

jacko · Guest

[quote]- generate a random bit sequence (carrier) which both the sender and the
receiver know (compressor -> decompressor)
[/quote]
be able to generate !=- generate, s the carrier depends on modulation
held within it why would you generate further carrier if it becomes
invalid on modulation. generate it as needed.

[quote]- change the bit state of the carrier if the user input bit tells you so
(i.e. if it>s a "1" in the input
[/quote]
Ya tis true, and the 110 pattern generated by a 100 in the carrier is
dealt with by pushing a 1 into the input FIFO.

[quote]- knowing the pseudo random - or truely random, whatever - carrier
stream, the receiver knows what>s changed and what>s not
[/quote]
Ya this is true.

[quote]- doing the "input modulation" on the carrier jacko hopes the carrier
itself becomes "less random" due to the unbalancing of the 1>s and 0>s
frequency occured - thus achieving compression through common algorithms
[/quote]
No I don>t. by generating the carrier in a good fashion, I say the pre-
modulation entropy is lower than 1, and the modulation itself is not
relied upon to perform any entropy reduction. In fact a subsampling of
the carrier stream is done, such that the modulation does not increase
the entropy, (or more importantly cause a modulation cascade = setting
carrier to one is not cleared in next carrier cycle so another 1 is
pushed into the input FIFO ad infinitum or close there of.)

[quote]- and sending the compressed carrier to the receiver.
[/quote]
Ya.

cheers

Industrial One · Guest

On Jul 15, 8:26 pm, jacko <jackokr...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 14, 8:18 pm, Industrial One <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dayum... I feel sorry for you. Why are you using your phone as a
modem? Can>t you afford a real internet account, or ya don>t care?

Landline/landlord problems.
[/quote]
I see. Btw, is this what motivated you to create all your work? How
long has your idea been around for, do you own patents? And do you
have another alias "AliMac?"

[quote]Internal memory?

ring position, plane occupied and prbs seed.

Ah, the ticks of the clock? And whats a PRBS seed? I assume the PR
stands for pseudorandom. What>s the role/use of that?

to achive 50:50 randomization as a starting point, to get a lower
entropy stream by further processing.
[/quote]
So, you>re saying the input stream must be random-appearing at all
times? And if it>s not then it>s gotta be XOR>ed with a pseurandom
bitstream (finally deciphered that acronym)

[quote]Sorry, I re-read that 2005 post where you explain modulation. Some 0s
in the CARRIER stream are modulated to ones, k.

yes, HELD in the carrier by modulation.
[/quote]
I see.

[quote]I said nothing about XOR ing the user input sream with anything. At
certain points in generating the carrier, the carrier is XORed with a
PRBS.

I falsely thought I recalled you telling me that in an email, I re-
read it as well.

maybe i miss explained it, but XOR not for the input stream in any
way.
[/quote]
Nah, I misread it.

[quote]Now what is the COMPLETE process? if 100 becomes 110 then:

000011010101011001100010101101101100000001010110101101010110110011000010110110011000110110000101100000101101011001101011000101011010101101011010101

You seem to be stuck on the idea that I am carrying out major
manipulation of the user input stream. I do not suggest this in any
way. I suggest doing major manipulation of a generated carrier, and
collecting the user input stream onto it.

This is what I don>t get. My narrow-minded mind is just being modest,
but how exactly is the carrier generated? Are the carrier bits
(initial, not including the user input that>ll later be collected into
it) directly affected by the specified input stream, even when it
changes by a single bit somewhere? Or can different user inputs be
absorbed into the same carrier?

differing/any input absorbed onto same carrier.

No.

Ok, the carrier bits are like periodic "stat checkspoints" for the
user input stream?

No the main carrier bit is the modulated one. the other carrier bits
are the memory of the carrier generator algorithm. The carrier is both
movable to t+1 and t-1.
[/quote]
How many main carrier bits account for the 77 bit final output size?

[quote]define "stat checkpoints" ??
[/quote]
Sorry, I dunno what I>m talking about. I guess it>s a warped synonym
of "nestable coding." I was asking if the carrier bits act like the
"first pass" process of a 2-pass audio/video encoding scheme, where
the first pass analyzes the data and records stats in a seperate file
about the characteristics of the progressing data and how to later
compress etc. and the 2nd pass is the actual compression. I wondered
if the carrier bits were instructions on how to manipulate portions of
the input stream later when tuning the clock.

You said:
1 in the input stream makes a carrier of 00 go to 10
0 in the input stream makes carrier of 0 remain 0.

And since you say now that any 50:50 input can go in a single carrier,
can I safely test that 100-bit sequence with any carrier I choose? If
not, give me a suitable carrier, better yet: tell me how a carrier is
decided/generated, under what conditions.

Jim Leonard · Guest

On Jul 15, 9:15 pm, jacko <jackokr...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]How? Where is this step documented? How is the carrier manipulated
to match the input stream?

The carrier is not matched to the input stream. The carrier is
generated independent of the input stream. It is modulated by the
input stream, but he input stream does not control what type of
carrier that needs generating.
[/quote]
Then how do you choose the right carrier?

jacko · Guest

On 16 Jul, 04:10, Industrial One <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 15, 8:26 pm, jacko <jackokr...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 14, 8:18 pm, Industrial One <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dayum... I feel sorry for you. Why are you using your phone as a
modem? Can>t you afford a real internet account, or ya don>t care?

Landline/landlord problems.

I see. Btw, is this what motivated you to create all your work? How
long has your idea been around for, do you own patents? And do you
have another alias "AliMac?"
[/quote]
It was not my primary motivation, maybe mobile phone costs were. I
applied for various patent pending since GB9622021.5 , but have
publicshed the document pdf to constitute prior art. As I have said it
is free to use.

[quote]Internal memory?

ring position, plane occupied and prbs seed.

Ah, the ticks of the clock? And whats a PRBS seed? I assume the PR
stands for pseudorandom. What>s the role/use of that?

to achive 50:50 randomization as a starting point, to get a lower
entropy stream by further processing.

So, you>re saying the input stream must be random-appearing at all
times? And if it>s not then it>s gotta be XOR>ed with a pseurandom
bitstream (finally deciphered that acronym)
[/quote]
The input stream can be anything from all zeros to all ones. It don>t
have to be random appearing. The XOR is not for the input stream.

[quote]Sorry, I re-read that 2005 post where you explain modulation. Some 0s
in the CARRIER stream are modulated to ones, k.

yes, HELD in the carrier by modulation.

I see.

I said nothing about XOR ing the user input sream with anything. At
certain points in generating the carrier, the carrier is XORed with a
PRBS.

I falsely thought I recalled you telling me that in an email, I re-
read it as well.

maybe i miss explained it, but XOR not for the input stream in any
way.

Nah, I misread it.

Now what is the COMPLETE process? if 100 becomes 110 then:

000011010101011001100010101101101100000001010110101101010110110011000010110110011000110110000101100000101101011001101011000101011010101101011010101

You seem to be stuck on the idea that I am carrying out major
manipulation of the user input stream. I do not suggest this in any
way. I suggest doing major manipulation of a generated carrier, and
collecting the user input stream onto it.

This is what I don>t get. My narrow-minded mind is just being modest,
but how exactly is the carrier generated? Are the carrier bits
(initial, not including the user input that>ll later be collected into
it) directly affected by the specified input stream, even when it
changes by a single bit somewhere? Or can different user inputs be
absorbed into the same carrier?

differing/any input absorbed onto same carrier.

No.

Ok, the carrier bits are like periodic "stat checkspoints" for the
user input stream?

No the main carrier bit is the modulated one. the other carrier bits
are the memory of the carrier generator algorithm. The carrier is both
movable to t+1 and t-1.

How many main carrier bits account for the 77 bit final output size?
[/quote]
lets say 64. +/- 5

[quote]define "stat checkpoints" ??

Sorry, I dunno what I>m talking about. I guess it>s a warped synonym
of "nestable coding." I was asking if the carrier bits act like the
"first pass" process of a 2-pass audio/video encoding scheme, where
the first pass analyzes the data and records stats in a seperate file
about the characteristics of the progressing data and how to later
compress etc. and the 2nd pass is the actual compression. I wondered
if the carrier bits were instructions on how to manipulate portions of
the input stream later when tuning the clock.
[/quote]
Single pass.

[quote]You said:
1 in the input stream makes a carrier of 00 go to 10
0 in the input stream makes carrier of 0 remain 0.

And since you say now that any 50:50 input can go in a single carrier,
can I safely test that 100-bit sequence with any carrier I choose? If
not, give me a suitable carrier, better yet: tell me how a carrier is
decided/generated, under what conditions.- Hide quoted text -
[/quote]
carrier generation is covered in http://indi.hpsdr.com/My%20OpenSquirt/Squirt-1.0.0.pdf
as long as your carrier has a low enough entropy it will collect via
modulation all of the 100 bit input sequence.

cheers.

jacko · Guest

[quote]And do you have another alias "AliMac?"
[/quote]
I know someone who may use that alias, but I am sure he is someone
else. Apart from being called Alistair, and me not being called
Alistair, what more can I say. You should really try to focus on what
I say and not confuse me with someone else.

If it is the ali, then he is well good at FLASH and GFX.

cheers

Industrial One · Guest

On Jul 16, 11:09 am, jacko <jackokr...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]And do you have another alias "AliMac?"

I know someone who may use that alias, but I am sure he is someone
else. Apart from being called Alistair, and me not being called
Alistair, what more can I say. You should really try to focus on what
I say and not confuse me with someone else.

If it is the ali, then he is well good at FLASH and GFX.

cheers
[/quote]
K, I>ll have a look at the PDF, brb.

I Treemulcher DeWaddle U · Guest

[quote]Industrial One wrote:

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:49:16 -0700, Industrial One wrote:

I think Condoleeza>s got better booty but Sarah will def. get the milf
(gilf?) vote.

Bump
[/quote]
*Imagine* that broad>s vocal tone under your own roof!

I wouldn>t mind hearing her shrill pipes bouncing off the headboard in
front of us both, screaming: "f ck my nasty little pussy, baby! <bonk>
YEAH! Right there <bonk> you big pig, pump that hot, wet hairy hole <bonk>!"

That>d be cool, as long as she didn>t say much in between, outside of
pole-hole syndrome action. But she>s a politico. She>d keep yakking
at you *after* you tossed that head in the freezer and casually closed
the door.

Good thing her name will become a trivia question _very_ soon :-)

Pugsly>s mileage will vary right along with his fellow GOP _FAK_tards.

http://www.geocities.com/~cousin_itt/c/weatherwax.jpg

Daryle Walker · Guest

On Sep 22, 6:26 pm, Mark Adler <mad...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
[quote]On Sep 22, 3:30 am, Daryle Walker <dary...@gmail.com> wrote:

I will leave it as an exercise for the reader as to how to deal with
the pre and post conditioning of the CRC register.
...
As I said, you>re skipping the part I primarily need!

Surely you don>t want me to deprive you of the joy of discovery? Hint
2: you can consider the pre-conditioning as another stream you are
exclusive-oring with the stream that starts with a zero register.
[/quote]
I think that>ll give the result I>ve already determined. I thought
about it as what happens when the register is full with the original
message bits and what happens when new message bits are added. Then I
work backwards to handle when the first bits of the original message
are un-put until the initial remainder shows, including the trivial
case of the I.R. being zero. (And I said that my idea already works
in code, but that isn>t definitive, of course.)

Daryle Walker

V. van Beveren · Guest

Na rijp beraad schreef Nimo :
[quote]I think I read all the threads for the last 8 days and get complete
glimpses of compression techniques,well I>m dealing with some new
concepts,may be you too can get any clues
see this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

possible compression ratio 100000:1,I>m not crazy
[/quote]
Now all I need to do is make my harddrive write qubits

Industrial One · Guest

On Oct 10, 1:10 pm, Nimo <azeez...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]I think I read all the threads for the last 8 days and get complete
glimpses of compression techniques,well I>m dealing with some new
concepts,may be you too can get any clues
see this linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

possible compression ratio 100000:1,I>m not crazy
[/quote]
If the physical space for 10 bits becomes 100000x smaller, that>s not
data compression. It>s still 10 bits.

George Johnson · Guest

"V. van Beveren" <vvanbeveren@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mn.53bc7d8a272d6678.94564@gmail.com...
[quote]Na rijp beraad schreef Nimo :
I think I read all the threads for the last 8 days and get complete
glimpses of compression techniques,well I>m dealing with some new
concepts,may be you too can get any clues
see this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

possible compression ratio 100000:1,I>m not crazy

Now all I need to do is make my harddrive write qubits
[/quote]
Elmer Fudd: "SHHHHH! Be v-wary v-wary quiet. I>m hunting qubits.
Haaahaaahaahaaa."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiEUDzIrEQE

jules Gilbert · Guest

On Oct 10, 4:09 pm, Industrial One <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 10, 1:10 pm, Nimo <azeez...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think I read all the threads for the last 8 days and get complete
glimpses of compression techniques,well I>m dealing with some new
concepts,may be you too can get any clues
see this linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

possible compression ratio 100000:1,I>m not crazy

If the physical space for 10 bits becomes 100000x smaller, that>s not
data compression. It>s still 10 bits.
[/quote]
Sharp thinking!

Someone>s been getting enough sleep, and thinking for a change!

Industrial One · Guest

On Oct 20, 5:20 am, jules Gilbert <jules.sto...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 10, 4:09 pm, Industrial One <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 10, 1:10 pm, Nimo <azeez...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think I read all the threads for the last 8 days and get complete
glimpses of compression techniques,well I>m dealing with some new
concepts,may be you too can get any clues
see this linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

possible compression ratio 100000:1,I>m not crazy

If the physical space for 10 bits becomes 100000x smaller, that>s not
data compression. It>s still 10 bits.

Sharp thinking!

Someone>s been getting enough sleep, and thinking for a change!
[/quote]
Unlike you.


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