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Krys Francis · Guest

In message <1057865668.43927.0@damia.uk.clara.net>, Jill
<callie@REMOVETHISTOMAILclara.net> writes
[quote]
"Krys Francis" <KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <1057862875.42672.0@damia.uk.clara.net>, Jill
callie@REMOVETHISTOMAILclara.net> writes
I see what you mean
may be these are the people to ask
http://www.janssenpharmaceutica.be/jah/index.htm

sorry I am rushing to feed my 5000 :~))
and sorting out pictures of B in laws wedding for ill M in law

let us know what you get back
please excuse the top post

Are top posts bad form or something?

yes

Thanks for the link.

I found this a bit ago.

http://www.organic-vet.reading.ac.uk/Poultryweb/disease/helm/treat.htm

Not sure why it>s a slightly different brand name, same manufacturer,
same active ingredient.
I think I>ve got the arithmetic right this time:-)
The recommended dose on tub of Flubenvet(2.5%w/w) for chickens works out
as 30g Flubendazole to 1 tonne feed.

but not 30 g of flubenvet just to clarify or confuse
!!!!!!
[/quote]

The long & the short of it:
Double usual dosage for other worms, withdrawal period 7 days.

Actually if one substitutes kg for the lbs in the back of Victoria
Roberts' book those dosages tally too. (Printing error?)

I noticed there was a withdrawal period given for organic purposes! I
didn>t know that organic farms could use this type of wormer. I don>t
know how the Benzimidazole compounds are made.

For anyone interested the avermectins are made by fermenting a type of
soil bacteria (Streptomyces avermitilis).
[quote]
Good luck with the photos.
grrr
the programme keeps dropping out on me
too much haste
:~)

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"Krys Francis" <KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <sUljoIyLbaD$MwJX@clef.demon.co.uk>, Krys Francis
KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> writes
In message <sWfPa.48166$xd5.2574404@stones.force9.net>, Jill
news@REMOVETHISkintaline.plus.com> writes

"Krys Francis"
"Jill"
okay this is getting a bit complicated

my better half who does our dosage says
24 g to 20kg of feed that is from 1.2 kg per tonne

or

if using a 5 kg feeder
put in bucket 4.16 kg of feed and mix in 5 g of wormer
mix well and transfer back into feeder - this quantity leaves some
space
in
the feeder to be safe

this is for gape; round; air ; caeca worm in chickens

for mixing Tim uses a a corkscrew paint stirring attachment on a
battery
power drill

Aren>t I glad that ours gets mixed in at the mill.
The old tub which I found stated 120g per 100kg feed so that>s the
same
as Tim uses.
But I wonder what the dosage is for tapeworm.
Flubenvet.
Legal category: MFSX
Uses: Flubenvet is effective against mature and immature stages of
the
following nematodes and cestodes of the gastrointestinal and
respiratory
tract:
Syngamus trachea (Gapeworm)
Ascaridia galli (Large roundworm)
Heterakis gallinarum (Caecal worm)
Capillaria spp. (Hair worm)
Trichostrongylus tenuis and Raillietina spp. (Tapeworm).
Amidostromum anseris (Gizzard Worm)

That does sound pretty clear. I hate it when I get what seems like
conflicting info from reliable sources.

dosage is different per species not per worm as I see it

Perhaps I>m misunderstanding this sentence:
"Flubenvet may be used without withdrawal provided it is below 30ppm,
but this negates the affect against tapeworm." Diseases of Free Range
Poultry V.Roberts
I know that I shouldn>t really quote from the book but I couldn>t see
how else to get you to explain if I>m misunderstanding the sentence.

This old tub that I found in the old feed shed has written on it:
"Flubenvet Intermediate is effective against gapeworm, large
roundworm,
caecal worm, hairworm & gizzard worm in chickens, turkeys, geese
partridges & pheasants. Activity includes adult worms, larvae & eggs."

Am I missing something here & being dopey?

I>ve been looking about a bit.

Found this, different brand name, same active ingredient, same
manufacturer, seems to imply that for tapeworm the dosage is double.
Unless I>m misunderstanding something again.

http://www.organic-vet.reading.ac.uk/Poultryweb/disease/helm/treat.htm

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Jill Bowis

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http://www.domesticducks.co.uk
http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage

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Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk

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Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk

[/quote]
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Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk

Guest · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Need some bantam info

Ooters! Gotta love 'em!
They all stamp their feet when they think you are an enemy, or whatever.
But Ernie the bantam ameraucana (I think) does a virtual Riverdance. I knw
there was a reason I rescued him as a baby from the feed store.
roz
az usa

JumpGP · Guest

Thanks to ALL for the wonderful help.
Now, would anyone be able to give me some very detailed, very specific
instructions on sliding the slipped tendon back into correct place before
wrapping/splinting the leg? I haven>t a clue where the tendon really goes (I
need a chapter of "Tendon Slipping for Dummies"). Or, of anyone would have a
link to a website with a diagram, I would most appreciate it. The description
of pergosis fits our dilemma, so I think returning the tendon to its right
place is my best tack now.
Thank you again, and very much!

Stingraymb · Guest

I>ve been keeping peafowl for the past couple of years (blues). I>m
l.ocated in central NC. They>re pretty easy to raise. They need a higher
protein food than chickens (22 % vs. 18%), but they>ll do okay on chick
start and grow. They need a larger cage - mines 12x20 with a large "hoop
roof" of pvc, covered w/game bird netting, some large roosts (5"
diameter tree across the pen 5' off the ground w/ ashelter over that.

They tend to "fly away" until you get them well established. 1st ones I
raised from chicks, let them out every day, 6 months old, flew off (they
done seem to have a homing instinct eith - per the fater-inlaw who has
raised them for years.
Very beautiful, funky sounds...
Good luck!

Remove the "at" to reply.

Mike

Jane wrote:

[quote]Does anyone on this newsgroup keep peafowl (peacocks and peahens)? I>ve
been reading about them on the internet lately and am wondering how
difficult they are to keep/raise. Jane

[/quote]

vanclan351 · Guest

My broody hens are usually on the ground. And the hens stay off the roost
when they have chicks afoot. But I would think one of my Buffs with a few
chicks under her might be a tough match for any rat. The hens are pretty
protective, they have backed down dogs before.

Mike

"John Hines" <john@jhines.org> wrote in message
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[quote]"vanclan351" <vanclan351@comcast.net> wrote:

Been hypnotizing chickens since I was a youngster. Doesn>t everyone
enjoy
this parlor trick ?

Don>t know about the rat. They are extremely resourceful but they have a
fur coat and warm blood. I would think the chicken would not be very
happy
about it. Anything is possible, but it does not sound probable.

That is one reason chickens roost up in the air, so they are away from
the rats and mice.
[/quote]

Jill · Guest

"Krys Francis" <KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> wrote in message
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[quote]

John <john@darswed.fsnet.co.uk> writes
Can anyone in the UK recommend a mite treatment or do they all more or
less
do what they say on the tin !
Thanks John

5 drops of "Ivomec" cattle pour-on on their skin at the back of the
neck, will kill mites (& most ecto & endo parasites affecting chickens),
I would have thought that there would be a withdrawal period, Victoria
Roberts does not mention one in her book, so I don>t really know.
that is because it is not licensed for poultry although many folk use it[/quote]

A
[quote]similar product, I think that it>s called "Eprinex" containing
eprinomectin would do the same job & shouldn>t need a withdrawal period.
Though personally I prefer the "Ivomec".
There are also some organic preparations available at agricultural
merchants. I have a friend who uses one, I can ask her the name if
you>re interested.
yes please[/quote]
we should start adding these to the information pages
as its a FAQ

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Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage
[quote]
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Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk[/quote]

Krys Francis · Guest

In message <1058117557.95335.0@damia.uk.clara.net>, Jill
<callie@REMOVETHISTOMAILclara.net> writes
[quote]
"Krys Francis" <KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> wrote in message
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John <john@darswed.fsnet.co.uk> writes
Can anyone in the UK recommend a mite treatment or do they all more or
less
do what they say on the tin !
Thanks John

5 drops of "Ivomec" cattle pour-on on their skin at the back of the
neck, will kill mites (& most ecto & endo parasites affecting chickens),
I would have thought that there would be a withdrawal period, Victoria
Roberts does not mention one in her book, so I don>t really know.
that is because it is not licensed for poultry although many folk use it
[/quote]
Yes, I know. Our vet says that separate license for each species in this
country cost a loads of money, so pharmaceutical companies tend to only
license for the species that they think will use the product most.
I think that Victoria Roberts might have made an educated guess at
withdrawal for eggs, as she recommends "Ivomec" so frequently. There>s a
withdrawal period for milk with ivermectin but there isn>t with
eprinomectin. Perhaps I>m worrying about nothing & her educated guess is
that "Ivomec" doesn>t need a withdrawal period for eggs.
I don>t use the eprinomectin product because I think that it makes the
chicken>s skin sore for a few days after treatment whereas the
ivermectin does not seem to.
[quote]
A
similar product, I think that it>s called "Eprinex" containing
eprinomectin would do the same job & shouldn>t need a withdrawal period.
Though personally I prefer the "Ivomec".
There are also some organic preparations available at agricultural
merchants. I have a friend who uses one, I can ask her the name if
you>re interested.
yes please
[/quote]
OK

[quote]we should start adding these to the information pages
as its a FAQ
[/quote]

[quote]--
Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage

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Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk

[/quote]
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Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk

nuele · Guest

Jill <news@REMOVETHISkintaline.plus.com> wrote:

[quote]In days gone by there were good strains that were very good broodies but
that seems to be less common these days in some parts of the world
[/quote]

aaargh... go out and tell mine, please, they are supposed to be
non-sitters, but they simply refuse to read the standard. Every single
one of the hens has gone broody at some point, some several times a
year, and I>m struggling with one right now who insists on wanting
babies although I>ve kept her in a cage outside every day for the last
two weeks already!
Perhaps I>m just in the wrong part of the world for non-sitters ;-)

Nuele (D)

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for mailing me, replace the fowls in my address by sap to avoid the spam
trap

Jay · Guest

"John" <john@darswed.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ber50j$kgi$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
[quote]Can anyone in the UK recommend a mite treatment or do they all more or
less
do what they say on the tin !
Thanks John

I was recommended something called Ruby Powder Louse treatment by the person[/quote]
who sold my hens to me. I>ve finished the initial tub I got so when I tried
to buy more at the local ag suppliers I ended up with something which is
called Gold Label (different supplier) which looks and I>m told is, the
same. can>t remember anything else about it and it>s out in the barn - I>ll
try and remember to look tomorrow.

Jay

Jill · Guest

"nuele" <fowls@nuele-online.de> wrote in message
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[quote]Jill <news@REMOVETHISkintaline.plus.com> wrote:

In days gone by there were good strains that were very good broodies but
that seems to be less common these days in some parts of the world

aaargh... go out and tell mine, please, they are supposed to be
non-sitters, but they simply refuse to read the standard. Every single
one of the hens has gone broody at some point, some several times a
year, and I>m struggling with one right now who insists on wanting
babies although I>ve kept her in a cage outside every day for the last
two weeks already!
Perhaps I>m just in the wrong part of the world for non-sitters ;-)
[/quote]

it may just be this year
EVery thing is sitting as far as I can gather
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage
[quote]Nuele (D)

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for mailing me, replace the fowls in my address by sap to avoid the spam
trap[/quote]

Krys Francis · Guest

In message <1058134065.3809.0@doris.uk.clara.net>, Jay
<j_green156@hotmail.com> writes
[quote]
"John" <john@darswed.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ber50j$kgi$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
Can anyone in the UK recommend a mite treatment or do they all more or
less
do what they say on the tin !
Thanks John

I was recommended something called Ruby Powder Louse treatment by the person
who sold my hens to me. I>ve finished the initial tub I got so when I tried
to buy more at the local ag suppliers I ended up with something which is
called Gold Label (different supplier) which looks and I>m told is, the
same. can>t remember anything else about it and it>s out in the barn - I>ll
try and remember to look tomorrow.
[/quote]
Oh, we>ve got some of that too, Charles (husband) throws it about in the
sheds. It contains a mixture of volatile oils, it says, & piperonil from
a natural source.
I tried it on a search but spelt it incorrectly & got info about an
illegal drug LOL. Obviously too tired:
Good night.

[quote]Jay

[/quote]
--

Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk

Jill · Guest

"shannie" <shannie@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:besna8$8ldfa$1@ID-186593.news.uni-berlin.de...
[quote]Well our rooster arrived, I have no clue what he is and my digital
camera>s
on the fritz...quick description...Cream collar, white breast and body,
black stripes on the legs but they>re mainly white...flat red crown/crest
(not sure of the term, the bit on his head) and the most beautiful black,
dark green and navy blue fluffy tail. Any ideas what he is??
[/quote]
quick read

HE IS NOT A RHODE ISLAND RED

which is what I thought you were getting ?????
rosecomb
striped legs
the rest loses me at this time of night !!!!!!!!!

very pretty ??I am sure

[quote]
He arrived late evening and made an imediate impact by being pecked rather
visciously by the six ladies in the garden,
good on them[/quote]
:~))

he disappeared and we thought
[quote]we>d lost him.......until 5.10am the following morning when he crowed
outside our bedroom window :) Turns out he>s made a nice roost for himself
in one of the sheds.
ahhhh[/quote]

We kept the ladies locked up all next day, inside their
[quote]run and let him have free roam of the garden, he kept very much to himself
until the afternoon when he started to pace up and down outside the run,
himself and one of the ladies (think she>s top dog) got to squaking at
each
other, then they started jumping up and down, his collar was full and he
was
all fluffed out, still looked half her size, but impressive all the same.
They kept this up for a while then started pecking at each other>s beaks
through the wire, watching this I was amazed to see they never once lost
eye
contact. The other five hens just stood in the corner watching until he
managed to get his beak in and catch a few feathers from her breast, then
two more hens ran at him and he backed off. Next day he was calm and
quiet,
still paced up and down outside the run, but there were no more antics
like
beak bashing, as we were around all the time treating their coop (mite
murder :) ) This morning he walked up and down outside the run again, but
the hens ignored him, so we let out one to see what happened.....nothing,
later we let another out and another until we had three hens and himself
ignoring each other. He crowed at them a couple of times, but they just
went
on pecking the grass......tomorrow we>ll do more of the same and hope
eventually by the end of the week to have all seven of them together
without
any more attacks.

great story[/quote]

[quote]Another question.....my ladies retire when it>s dusk.....they congregate
round the run door and meander in one at a time until they>re all in...at
the moment thats usually by about 10pm......The rooster retires to his
home
made roost in the rafters of the big shed at around 5pm......is it normal
for him to retire so early in the day??....will he do this when he finally
'moves in' with the girls?
I would get him off his perch and shove him in with them[/quote]
before he teaches them to roost out in the long summer nights

cos then its a real pain in the 1111collecting a number of them off the
trees
[quote]
My apologies for such a long post, thanks for taking the time to read
it...look forward to your replies and any hints and tips as usual.
[/quote]
you are having fun
good luck

and interested to see the pics on the other group
he sounds intruguing

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Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage
[quote]
Shannie

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Shan (Ireland)
http://ukdiscus.com/main.htm

[/quote]

Grainne Gillespie · Guest

[quote]it may just be this year
EVery thing is sitting as far as I can gather
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
Jill Bowis
[/quote]
And my 2yr old juvenile male iguana has been displaying signs of seasonal
male iguana behaviour for the last few weeks! He>s bobbing his head and
hissing at his reflection in the mirror and he can see his reflection in the
glass of his vivarium so he>s pissed off because he thinks there>s another
male iguana right next to him! And he attacks the glass and tries to bite us
through the glass when we go past!

Our duckies are getting bitter. They chased the guinea pigs away from their
apple and ate it on the poor GPs (tho later the guineas chased the ducks
away) and I saw the darker coloured duckling chasing a small bird which had
been hopping around the ground

Jill · Guest

[quote]and interested to see the pics on the other group
he sounds intruguing

Hope the camera is up and running soon, will post his pic as soon as I
can,
providing he stays still long enough to be photographed, he>s very wary of
us, we>ve not been able to get within 2ft of him since he arrived, I get
the
impression the gent we got him from doesn>t coo and babble at his chucks
the
way we do, time will heal that no doubt :) In the meantime I>ll keep
walking
around him on tiptoe..he struts, I tiptoe, Im sure we look completely
nuts..lol
[/quote]
well as you know the way to a mans heart is through his stomach
cockerels are no different
:~)))

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Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage

Jay · Guest

"Krys Francis" <KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> wrote in message
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[quote]In message <1058134065.3809.0@doris.uk.clara.net>, Jay
j_green156@hotmail.com> writes

"John" <john@darswed.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ber50j$kgi$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
Can anyone in the UK recommend a mite treatment or do they all more or
less
do what they say on the tin !
Thanks John

I was recommended something called Ruby Powder Louse treatment by the
person
who sold my hens to me. I>ve finished the initial tub I got so when I
tried
to buy more at the local ag suppliers I ended up with something which is
called Gold Label (different supplier) which looks and I>m told is, the
same. can>t remember anything else about it and it>s out in the barn -
I>ll
try and remember to look tomorrow.

Oh, we>ve got some of that too, Charles (husband) throws it about in the
sheds. It contains a mixture of volatile oils, it says, & piperonil from
a natural source.
I tried it on a search but spelt it incorrectly & got info about an
illegal drug LOL. Obviously too tired:
Good night.

[/quote]
Ok - I>ve got the tub in front of me. It says:

Gold Label Louse Powder. For application to horses, farm animals and pets.
Can be applied to bedding and carpets. Contains a mixture of volatile oils
plus piperonil from a natural source. Repels lice, flies and other parasites
from animals. Sprinkle liberally every day during period of risk to animals
that are housed or in the field. Do not brush out. Pay most attention to
back mane and tail. For animal external use only.

Its a 500g tub and cost £5.11 (incl VAT). I know they also sell bigger tubs.

I use it throughout the house and nest boxes and also sprinkle it in their
dust bath. I try and sprinkle it on the hens direct but and not very good at
that. They seem to do a better job for themselves in the dust bath. I
haven>t seen any louse or mites on the birds all summer yet. Touch wood.
(but I read Shannies story and may be wrong so I keep looking).

Jay


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