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Krys Francis · Guest

In message <1057862875.42672.0@damia.uk.clara.net>, Jill
<callie@REMOVETHISTOMAILclara.net> writes
[quote]I see what you mean
may be these are the people to ask
http://www.janssenpharmaceutica.be/jah/index.htm

sorry I am rushing to feed my 5000 :~))
and sorting out pictures of B in laws wedding for ill M in law

let us know what you get back
please excuse the top post
[/quote]

Are top posts bad form or something?
Thanks for the link.

I found this a bit ago.

http://www.organic-vet.reading.ac.uk/Poultryweb/disease/helm/treat.htm

Not sure why it>s a slightly different brand name, same manufacturer,
same active ingredient.
I think I>ve got the arithmetic right this time:-)
The recommended dose on tub of Flubenvet(2.5%w/w) for chickens works out
as 30g Flubendazole to 1 tonne feed.

Good luck with the photos.

[quote]
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"Krys Francis" <KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <sUljoIyLbaD$MwJX@clef.demon.co.uk>, Krys Francis
KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> writes
In message <sWfPa.48166$xd5.2574404@stones.force9.net>, Jill
news@REMOVETHISkintaline.plus.com> writes

"Krys Francis"
"Jill"
okay this is getting a bit complicated

my better half who does our dosage says
24 g to 20kg of feed that is from 1.2 kg per tonne

or

if using a 5 kg feeder
put in bucket 4.16 kg of feed and mix in 5 g of wormer
mix well and transfer back into feeder - this quantity leaves some
space
in
the feeder to be safe

this is for gape; round; air ; caeca worm in chickens

for mixing Tim uses a a corkscrew paint stirring attachment on a
battery
power drill

Aren>t I glad that ours gets mixed in at the mill.
The old tub which I found stated 120g per 100kg feed so that>s the
same
as Tim uses.
But I wonder what the dosage is for tapeworm.
Flubenvet.
Legal category: MFSX
Uses: Flubenvet is effective against mature and immature stages of the
following nematodes and cestodes of the gastrointestinal and respiratory
tract:
Syngamus trachea (Gapeworm)
Ascaridia galli (Large roundworm)
Heterakis gallinarum (Caecal worm)
Capillaria spp. (Hair worm)
Trichostrongylus tenuis and Raillietina spp. (Tapeworm).
Amidostromum anseris (Gizzard Worm)

That does sound pretty clear. I hate it when I get what seems like
conflicting info from reliable sources.

dosage is different per species not per worm as I see it

Perhaps I>m misunderstanding this sentence:
"Flubenvet may be used without withdrawal provided it is below 30ppm,
but this negates the affect against tapeworm." Diseases of Free Range
Poultry V.Roberts
I know that I shouldn>t really quote from the book but I couldn>t see
how else to get you to explain if I>m misunderstanding the sentence.

This old tub that I found in the old feed shed has written on it:
"Flubenvet Intermediate is effective against gapeworm, large roundworm,
caecal worm, hairworm & gizzard worm in chickens, turkeys, geese
partridges & pheasants. Activity includes adult worms, larvae & eggs."

Am I missing something here & being dopey?

I>ve been looking about a bit.

Found this, different brand name, same active ingredient, same
manufacturer, seems to imply that for tapeworm the dosage is double.
Unless I>m misunderstanding something again.

http://www.organic-vet.reading.ac.uk/Poultryweb/disease/helm/treat.htm

--
Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage

--

Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk

[/quote]
--

Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk

Jill · Guest

you are right Krys

found it
http://tinyurl.com/gkl0

http://tinyurl.com/gklw for tapeworm

but on the bag
it does not mention tapeworm at all

mind you to make it even more complicated
on the front it say 2.5% W/w
and on the back it says 5% w/w

it gets worse

may be the idea would be that once a year you do a double dose
but it would be interesting to see what the company says

going to fill in vet school forms now:~))

--
Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage

strange

Jill · Guest

"Krys Francis" <KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Y1n+A0zBwbD$Mw9q@clef.demon.co.uk...
[quote]In message <1057862875.42672.0@damia.uk.clara.net>, Jill
callie@REMOVETHISTOMAILclara.net> writes
I see what you mean
may be these are the people to ask
http://www.janssenpharmaceutica.be/jah/index.htm

sorry I am rushing to feed my 5000 :~))
and sorting out pictures of B in laws wedding for ill M in law

let us know what you get back
please excuse the top post

Are top posts bad form or something?
[/quote]
yes

[quote]Thanks for the link.

I found this a bit ago.

http://www.organic-vet.reading.ac.uk/Poultryweb/disease/helm/treat.htm

Not sure why it>s a slightly different brand name, same manufacturer,
same active ingredient.
I think I>ve got the arithmetic right this time:-)
The recommended dose on tub of Flubenvet(2.5%w/w) for chickens works out
as 30g Flubendazole to 1 tonne feed.
[/quote]
but not 30 g of flubenvet just to clarify or confuse
!!!!!!

[quote]
Good luck with the photos.
grrr[/quote]
the programme keeps dropping out on me
too much haste
:~)

--
Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage
[quote]

--
Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage
"Krys Francis" <KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <sUljoIyLbaD$MwJX@clef.demon.co.uk>, Krys Francis
KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> writes
In message <sWfPa.48166$xd5.2574404@stones.force9.net>, Jill
news@REMOVETHISkintaline.plus.com> writes

"Krys Francis"
"Jill"
okay this is getting a bit complicated

my better half who does our dosage says
24 g to 20kg of feed that is from 1.2 kg per tonne

or

if using a 5 kg feeder
put in bucket 4.16 kg of feed and mix in 5 g of wormer
mix well and transfer back into feeder - this quantity leaves some
space
in
the feeder to be safe

this is for gape; round; air ; caeca worm in chickens

for mixing Tim uses a a corkscrew paint stirring attachment on a
battery
power drill

Aren>t I glad that ours gets mixed in at the mill.
The old tub which I found stated 120g per 100kg feed so that>s the
same
as Tim uses.
But I wonder what the dosage is for tapeworm.
Flubenvet.
Legal category: MFSX
Uses: Flubenvet is effective against mature and immature stages of
the
following nematodes and cestodes of the gastrointestinal and
respiratory
tract:
Syngamus trachea (Gapeworm)
Ascaridia galli (Large roundworm)
Heterakis gallinarum (Caecal worm)
Capillaria spp. (Hair worm)
Trichostrongylus tenuis and Raillietina spp. (Tapeworm).
Amidostromum anseris (Gizzard Worm)

That does sound pretty clear. I hate it when I get what seems like
conflicting info from reliable sources.

dosage is different per species not per worm as I see it

Perhaps I>m misunderstanding this sentence:
"Flubenvet may be used without withdrawal provided it is below 30ppm,
but this negates the affect against tapeworm." Diseases of Free Range
Poultry V.Roberts
I know that I shouldn>t really quote from the book but I couldn>t see
how else to get you to explain if I>m misunderstanding the sentence.

This old tub that I found in the old feed shed has written on it:
"Flubenvet Intermediate is effective against gapeworm, large
roundworm,
caecal worm, hairworm & gizzard worm in chickens, turkeys, geese
partridges & pheasants. Activity includes adult worms, larvae & eggs."

Am I missing something here & being dopey?

I>ve been looking about a bit.

Found this, different brand name, same active ingredient, same
manufacturer, seems to imply that for tapeworm the dosage is double.
Unless I>m misunderstanding something again.

http://www.organic-vet.reading.ac.uk/Poultryweb/disease/helm/treat.htm

--
Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk
http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage

--

Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk

--

Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk[/quote]

Jill · Guest

"Hankinson" <hankinson@aol.comspamfree> wrote in message
news:20030710115307.22018.00000169@mb-m02.aol.com...
[quote]Hello everyone,
The fly trap drawing is now posted on the MSN sci.agriculture.poultry
group
in the album Burl>s Pix.
I think it is clear enough to allow you to build it.
A couple things I didn>t put on the drawing: I used what we call luan
board
around here, which is essentially a very thin plywood. You could probably
use
any thin board that could be glued together. Hot glue works but probably
carpenter>s glue would be better. I glued the screen on.
Whatever board you use, a two foot by four foot piece is enough to
make
the four pieces needed. I don>t have exact measurements handy, I>ll try to
put
that up later. The single most important measurement is the gaps at the
bottom
and top of the "V". They need to be close to 3/8ths inch.
You will want to paint the wood to improve durability. If I recall
correctly, traps painted white were the most effective. I would suggest
painting the entire trap with white house paint before adding the screen.
Good luck.
Burl
[/quote]
great drawing
reminds me to find the one Kaliya did years ago
of wingclipping
sometime
!!

--
Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage

Guest · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Need some bantam info

I now prefer bantam ooters to standards. My polish rooster packs quite a
punch when he attacks. The two bantams are more amusing than anything else
when they try to get me.
However, the little guys have no luck mating with the big girls. They just
can>t reach. If they let go of the neck feathers to try to reach, they fall
off! However the big polish will smash hell out of my tiny araucana girl
and think nothing of it.
roz
az usa

Guest · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:07 am Post subject: Re: Need some bantam info

My very young bantam frizzle roosters (three of them) died protecting their
sister from a raccoon.
roz

Mutti Sabo · Guest

Our Brahma>s (Once Fried Chicken and et tu Brutus) have decided
that anything that moves or doesn>t move is for attacking. I think
it is a genetic thing - but who knows. I will not decry the
breed over just these two guys!

Thanks for the discussion,

Sharon

Krys Francis wrote:

[quote]In message <9idPa.48141$xd5.2571306@stones.force9.net>, Jill
news@REMOVETHISkintaline.plus.com> writes

"Krys Francis" <KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <XrDOa.46288$9C6.2339530@wards.force9.net>, Jill
news@REMOVETHISkintaline.plus.com> writes

"Mutti Sabo" <"tuttut"@accessus(kein-spam).net> wrote in message
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Hello,

We have 2 Light Brahma>s (accident in shipping were supposed
to be Darks) and they are incredibly aggressive. We have
White Giants, Buff>s, Barred Rocks. and Silver Laced Cochins
who are not as agrressive - what other breeds are "less likely"
to be aggressive?

Once Fried Chicken and et tu Brutus are culled we would
like to get Dark Brahma cocks, but might it be a Brahma
thing?

its just as likely to be a particular set of parents and a particular set
of
genetics
I have heard enough folk telling me Orpingtons they have known be
aggressive

Blimey, I didn>t know that aggressive & Orpington went in the same
sentence:-) But then I would have thought that of Brahmas too.

ohh yes
I have heard of a number of birds - different parts of the country so I do
not think there is a common link
of people being chased around the place and being very scared of Orps
and of course they, like the Brahmas, have the size to back it up
Our big lads would not know how to be - even to each other

I don>t think that I>d like to be chased by an Orp & certainly not by a
Brahma.... Scary.
Our Orps are completely docile too.....thank goodness:-)

--
Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage

- well they are the softest silliest lumps of birds you can
find - in our experience they would not know aggression if it jumped up
and
bit them !!!!!!

I would not comdemn a breed by a couple of naughty boys
It can be in their breeding
So I would talk to other Brahma breeders and owners and see if it not
just a
particular line

--
Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage

Sharon
chicken tractor/free range/well fed/looking forward to eggs.

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shannie · Guest

"Darkginger" <darkginger@darkginger.com> wrote in message
news:beiu8e01rrs@enews2.newsguy.com...
[quote]
shannie <shannie@privacy.net> wrote

So, we just introduce him immediatly?..no pre-marriage quarters?

Admittedly, we did this the other way round - had the cockerel first and
then got the hens - but we dumped them all in together and had no
problems.
Charlie puffed himself up, and 'danced' for the hens, and then spent the
next couple of days doing what comes naturally at every opportunity! At no
stage were we worried for his safety, though I began to feel a bit sorry
for
the girls, given his 'enthusiasm'! He>s not calmed down much now - as soon
as I let them out in the morning he>s looking round for his first love of
the day - but he does look out for the hens, and if we give them bread
he>ll
break it up for them, and stand watch while they scoff it.

As you know, we had, at one stage, an excess of 3 cockerels, and so gave
them away to friends with hens - all three were just put in with the hens,
and all have not only survived, but thrived (well, they did, until a fox
took one of them). I don>t think you>ll have any problems, apart from the
slightly uncomfortable feeling of having become a voyeur!

Good luck!

Jo
Thanks Jo, as it turns out the one we ordered is not available so we>re[/quote]
getting another one, and he>s arriving tomorrow!!!...Thought I had another
week :-\ Will test some waters when he arrives and let you all know how it
goes.

Shan

Guest · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:33 am Post subject: Re: mites-update

Shannie:
Guess we all have to be beginners at some point!
I took my polish boy in to be decrowed and the vet said he had lice. I was
unimpressed until he powdered him and they began to do half-gainers off him
and onto the exam table! 100>s of them! Ack!
I was mortified!
The vet spoke to the rooster and told him it was "OK, she didn>t know.."
Then I realized what the crawly feeling was on my skin sometimes.....guess
they get bored with people and hop off, so it would go away and I would
forget about it.
I am now using 1/2 cc of a pour on every few months and have no bug problems
on the birds.
You are allowed to be a beginner! I was.
Roz
az usa

Guest · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:42 am Post subject: Re: cant treat lice

JC:
What did the malation do to him? No kidney failure or anything? Seems like
it OUGHT to kill you, eh?
Bet it tasted nasty. That alone might off a person.
roz
az usa

John Hines · Guest

<roz@nospamcox.net> wrote:

[quote]I now prefer bantam ooters to standards. My polish rooster packs quite a
punch when he attacks. The two bantams are more amusing than anything else
when they try to get me.
[/quote]
Mine was so funny, he would come running across the yard, feet flying
wings a flapping, running to come get me, then as he got about 6 feet
away he would keep looking up at me, as he got closer, and the more
vertical he was looking, the less interest he had in fighting. It was
like "ok, I didn>t realize you were THAT tall".

Bob Tarte · Guest

In article <100720031833068585%btarte@cris.com>, Bob Tarte
<btarte@cris.com> wrote:

[quote]For several days now, our White Wyandotte hen, Eloise, has had a lot of
wetness and matting in the feathers on her rear, plus what looks like a
prolapsed (and sore) vent. Any ideas what this might be?

She behaves just fine and doesn>t act sick. None of our other six hens
has this same condition.

Thanks so much.

Linda Tarte
[/quote]
I wanted to add something to my wife Linda>s post. I just went out and
looked at Eloise... and after talking again to Linda, we both agreed
that the vent doesn>t look prolapsed as much as swollen and sore.

Eloise was pecking at her rear when I went to the barn, and she didn>t
smell so great (even for a hen) when I picked her up. So I think she
probably has diarrhea, if hens can get that, and I>m wondering if worms
might be the cause.

Thanks.

Bob Tarte
Author of "Enslaved By Ducks"
Coming in November 2003 from Algonquin Books

Bob Tarte · Guest

In article <YGKOa.22118$pK2.33920@news.indigo.ie>, Grainne Gillespie
<demonique@eircom.net> wrote:

[quote]I recently purchased a pair of ducklings at a local show (I>m living in
Ireland btw). They are both completely brown, one is a dark brown, the other slightly
lighter. I was wondering, does anyone here have any idea on what species of duck
these are?
[/quote]
They could be Khaki Campbells.

Bob Tarte

Grainne Gillespie · Guest

[quote]They could be Khaki Campbells.

Bob Tarte
[/quote]
From their stance I think they could be Indian Runners

Jay · Guest

"Krys Francis" <KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> wrote in message
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[quote]In message <htdPa.48143$xd5.2571067@stones.force9.net>, Jill
news@REMOVETHISkintaline.plus.com> writes

"Krys Francis" <KrysFrancis@lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <1057826518.20871.0@ersa.uk.clara.net>, Jay
j_green156@hotmail.com> writes

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"Jay" <j_green156@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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okay this is getting a bit complicated

[/quote]
Big SNIP

[quote]PS Jay. Sorry I was completely & utterly wrong when I misremembered the
dosage as 5g to 8kg. I can see that you were right in the first place.

Appologies accepted and from these postings I think you will understand why[/quote]
I got confused and asked the question. This is all very interesting and I>m
ready your and Jill>s postings with great interest.

[quote]

There are different doses for different breeds

Goodness!!! You mean like more for Orps & less for..say Leghorns?
Do you/Tim mix different strengths for different breeds? Can you say
more?

Now this I may be able to shed light on. The tub says that larger birds need[/quote]
more but as they eat more anyway they will receive more so you still mix the
stuff at the same rate. Birds that are smaller and therefore don>t need so
much drug simply eat less feed.

[quote]

hope this helps

--
Jill Bowis

http://www.poultryscotland.co.uk http://www.henhouses.co.uk
http://www.domesticducks.co.uk http://www.poultry-books.co.uk
http://www.kintaline.co.uk/cottage

--

Regards

Krys
www.lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk
[/quote]
Thanks to you both. Keep posting your findings, deliberations etc. It>s
great.
Jay


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