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foolsrushout · Guest

Rushtown wrote:

[quote]On May 6, 3:40 pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Rushtown wrote:

On May 6, 12:56�pm, "Don Phillipson" <e...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:

"Rushtown" <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote in message

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After the war the Labour party platform was rightfully described as a
surrender document.

We need to know which Labour party platform you are talking
about. � General elections were held in 1935, years before the
war, and 1945, between VE Day and VJ Day, i.e. while the war
was still going on, albeit not in Europe. �The 1935 �manifesto
opposed arms expenditure (but so did Tory Chancellor/PM
Chamberlain up to 1937.)

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

I don>t know exactly, I read it somewhere. I will do the research if
necessary. Here is one site refering to thishttp://userwww.sfsu.edu/~epf/1998/wilkinson.html.

I am sure you know that there were at least some members of the Labour
party who advocated disarmament despite Hitler and also advocated
disarmament during the cold war.

It would illustrate my point even if there were only a few such
people. They were smart, high IQ types, who probably got degrees from
the best universities. But they had opinions that were very clearly
wrong, and actually nonsensical.

You think all the stupid Brits thought otherwise? In that case
which group was smarter?

The same person can be very intelligent in one area and not in
another.

Example, there was a Bankruptcy Court Trustee who mentioned to me how
Hispanic people seemed to get less consideration from the Court and
other trustees. I mentioned how that was not fair, and I also
mentioned one particularly biased judge. This lady immediately
changed from being reasonable and fair minded into a raving anti-
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The only example of a whole group of smart people acting stupid were
the Germans in World War II
[/quote]
I seriously doubt that was the only example. But you still
haven>t answered the question which remains intact above. I>m
surprised at your anti-Germanic hatred at this late date.

Guest

I don>t have to be smart. Instead I want to know what is.

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008

foolsrushout · Guest

Rushtown wrote:
[quote]On May 7, 3:49 am, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Rushtown wrote:

On May 6, 3:40 pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Rushtown wrote:

On May 6, 12:56�pm, "Don Phillipson" <e...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:

"Rushtown" <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote in message

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After the war the Labour party platform was rightfully described as a
surrender document.

We need to know which Labour party platform you are talking
about. � General elections were held in 1935, years before the
war, and 1945, between VE Day and VJ Day, i.e. while the war
was still going on, albeit not in Europe. �The 1935 �manifesto
opposed arms expenditure (but so did Tory Chancellor/PM
Chamberlain up to 1937.)

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

I don>t know exactly, I read it somewhere. I will do the research if
necessary. Here is one site refering to thishttp://userwww.sfsu.edu/~epf/1998/wilkinson.html.

I am sure you know that there were at least some members of the Labour
party who advocated disarmament despite Hitler and also advocated
disarmament during the cold war.

It would illustrate my point even if there were only a few such
people. They were smart, high IQ types, who probably got degrees from
the best universities. But they had opinions that were very clearly
wrong, and actually nonsensical.

You think all the stupid Brits thought otherwise? In that case
which group was smarter?

The same person can be very intelligent in one area and not in
another.

Example, there was a Bankruptcy Court Trustee who mentioned to me how
Hispanic people seemed to get less consideration from the Court and
other trustees. I mentioned how that was not fair, and I also
mentioned one particularly biased judge. This lady immediately
changed from being reasonable and fair minded into a raving anti-
semite. It was a bit strange.- Hide quoted text -

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The only example of a whole group of smart people acting stupid were
the Germans in World War II

I seriously doubt that was the only example. But you still
haven>t answered the question which remains intact above. I>m
surprised at your anti-Germanic hatred at this late date.- Hide quoted text -

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I was engaging in hyperbole. Clearly the majority of the British
correctly assessed the Nazi threat. I>m just saying that there some
very smart Oxford-Cambridge types who said some very stupid things.
And that was to illustrate my main point in the first post.

I>m ambivalent about Germans. The young Germans I met traveling
across Europe were very nice people. In Ireland German tourists had a
good reputation of joining in the singing and the drinking, and
generally being well liked.

But all the Holocaust propoganda (in the neutral sense) has got to
me. Even though I am not Jewish I wouldn>t take a BMW if you gave it
to me. Well, ok, I wouldn>t buy a German car.
It has not been too long.

Being Irish American I sometimes get very angry reading about
Cromwell. But then I realize that was a long time ago and the British
have acted OK since 1814---they are forgiven.

But if I was a Jew I could barely restrain myself from going to a mall
in Germany with an Uzi.
[/quote]
It gets even more interesting when you accept the fact
that the Brits are Anglo Saxon, with the Saxon part
being German. In fact the Royal Family (including
the Mountbatten your boys killed) were involved in a
headlong rush to change their names from the Germanic
ones they had prior to WWI.

So would you have any problem owning an "English Car"?

Do you have any bombing ideation about Windsor Castle?

How about White Castle?

Rushtown · Guest

On May 7, 2:46�pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]

Being Irish American I sometimes get very angry reading about
Cromwell. �But then I realize that was a long time ago and the British
have acted OK since 1814---they are forgiven.

It gets even more interesting when you accept the fact
that the Brits are Anglo Saxon, with the Saxon part
being German. In fact the Royal Family (including
the Mountbatten your boys killed) were involved in a
headlong rush to change their names from the Germanic
ones they had prior to WWI.

So would you have any problem owning an "English Car"?

Do you have any bombing ideation about Windsor Castle?

How about White Castle?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
(I>m trying to learn to delete stuff, hope I did not delete too much.)

You didn>t get my point. If the bad stuff happened long enough ago I
am willing to forgive.
And the "Irish question" is a lot more complicated than your post
suggests. My parents who grew up in Ireland did not like the IRA or
their methods. And the killing of Mountbatten, a war hero and a
friend of Ireland, was just murder.http://www.topix.com/news/irish-
republican-army/2007/12/lord-mountbatten-killed-by-ira-supported-
unification-of-ireland

If anything I have to fight Anglophile tendencies.

But as for the Holocaust, how can anybody really associate with people
whose parents (or parents' generation) had no trouble killing millions
of children, and women and doing it in a sadistic way? Isn>t there
some sort of behavior that is beyond the Pale forever?

foolsrushout · Guest

mitch.nicolas.raemsch@gmail.com wrote:

[quote]I don>t have to be smart. Instead I want to know what is.

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008
[/quote]
Much more important is to understand what is and
to be able to utilize knowledge. Unfortunately you
seem to fail on both counts.

foolsrushout · Guest

Rushtown wrote:

[quote]On May 7, 2:46�pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Being Irish American I sometimes get very angry reading about
Cromwell. �But then I realize that was a long time ago and the British
have acted OK since 1814---they are forgiven.

It gets even more interesting when you accept the fact
that the Brits are Anglo Saxon, with the Saxon part
being German. In fact the Royal Family (including
the Mountbatten your boys killed) were involved in a
headlong rush to change their names from the Germanic
ones they had prior to WWI.

So would you have any problem owning an "English Car"?

Do you have any bombing ideation about Windsor Castle?

How about White Castle?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

(I>m trying to learn to delete stuff, hope I did not delete too much.)

You didn>t get my point.
[/quote]
More likely the converse.

[quote]If the bad stuff happened long enough ago I
am willing to forgive.
[/quote]
How many generations?

[quote]And the "Irish question" is a lot more complicated than your post
suggests. My parents who grew up in Ireland did not like the IRA or
their methods. And the killing of Mountbatten, a war hero and a
friend of Ireland, was just murder.http://www.topix.com/news/irish-
republican-army/2007/12/lord-mountbatten-killed-by-ira-supported-
unification-of-ireland
[/quote]
Mountbatten isn>t loved by many living on the Indian subcontinent.

[quote]If anything I have to fight Anglophile tendencies.
[/quote]
You>ve outed yourself as being a "protestant-brit" descendant
whose family has been in Ireland for a while. To call yourself
of Irish descent is a misnomer. Can you qualify as a Celt?

[quote]But as for the Holocaust, how can anybody really associate with people
whose parents (or parents' generation) had no trouble killing millions
of children, and women and doing it in a sadistic way? Isn>t there
some sort of behavior that is beyond the Pale forever?
[/quote]
So you think guilt descends through the genes? I had hoped
that western civilization had grown beyond this. Perhaps
you hold with the old testament 'to the 7th generation'
damnation?

Rushtown · Guest

On May 7, 9:32 pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Rushtown wrote:
On May 7, 2:46�pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Being Irish American I sometimes get very angry reading about
Cromwell. �But then I realize that was a long time ago and the British
have acted OK since 1814---they are forgiven.

It gets even more interesting when you accept the fact
that the Brits are Anglo Saxon, with the Saxon part
being German. In fact the Royal Family (including
the Mountbatten your boys killed) were involved in a
headlong rush to change their names from the Germanic
ones they had prior to WWI.

So would you have any problem owning an "English Car"?

Do you have any bombing ideation about Windsor Castle?

How about White Castle?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

(I>m trying to learn to delete stuff, hope I did not delete too much.)

You didn>t get my point.

More likely the converse.

If the bad stuff happened long enough ago I
am willing to forgive.

How many generations?

And the "Irish question" is a lot more complicated than your post
suggests. My parents who grew up in Ireland did not like the IRA or
their methods. And the killing of Mountbatten, a war hero and a
friend of Ireland, was just murder.http://www.topix.com/news/irish-
republican-army/2007/12/lord-mountbatten-killed-by-ira-supported-
unification-of-ireland

Mountbatten isn>t loved by many living on the Indian subcontinent.

If anything I have to fight Anglophile tendencies.

You>ve outed yourself as being a "protestant-brit" descendant
whose family has been in Ireland for a while. To call yourself
of Irish descent is a misnomer. Can you qualify as a Celt?

But as for the Holocaust, how can anybody really associate with people
whose parents (or parents' generation) had no trouble killing millions
of children, and women and doing it in a sadistic way? Isn>t there
some sort of behavior that is beyond the Pale forever?

So you think guilt descends through the genes? I had hoped
that western civilization had grown beyond this. Perhaps
you hold with the old testament 'to the 7th generation'
damnation?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
OK, you got me a little bit---father was Orange and mother was Green.
But I have always identified with the Green 100%.
I have Catholic relatives in Dublin whose sons joined the Royal
Marines and who have a picture of the Queen on the mantlepiece.
The British public and even Parliament favored home rule before World
War I. I am not an Orange supporter---they are the real cause of all
the "Troubles". If it wasn>t for the Loyalists the British and Irish
would have solved the problem a hundred years ago.
One favorite saying of my more rabid Orange relatives was "We will
fight to be British even if we have to fight the British."
Does guilt pass through the genes? No. But if your Uncle and Daddy
gassed my relatives solely because of their ethnic group I>d have real
doubts about you.
The Germans were not punished enough after World War II. You know
very well that the majority of the German public knew what was going
on. Look at newspapers from the times----the whole story was public
knowledge by Jan. 1944. Actually even before the war it was clear
what would happen to the Jews if Hitler got into power. And the
majority of the German public didn>t care.
Every time I hear that accent, and with every German I talk to, I have
the feeling I am talking to a strange and evil breed of human. (see
my next post as to why it might be genetic.)

Rushtown · Guest

On May 8, 1:19 pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Rushtown wrote:
On May 7, 9:32 pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Rushtown wrote:

On May 7, 2:46�pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Being Irish American I sometimes get very angry reading about
Cromwell. �But then I realize that was a long time ago and the British
have acted OK since 1814---they are forgiven.

It gets even more interesting when you accept the fact
that the Brits are Anglo Saxon, with the Saxon part
being German. In fact the Royal Family (including
the Mountbatten your boys killed) were involved in a
headlong rush to change their names from the Germanic
ones they had prior to WWI.

So would you have any problem owning an "English Car"?

Do you have any bombing ideation about Windsor Castle?

How about White Castle?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

(I>m trying to learn to delete stuff, hope I did not delete too much.)

You didn>t get my point.

More likely the converse.

If the bad stuff happened long enough ago I
am willing to forgive.

How many generations?

And the "Irish question" is a lot more complicated than your post
suggests. My parents who grew up in Ireland did not like the IRA or
their methods. And the killing of Mountbatten, a war hero and a
friend of Ireland, was just murder.http://www.topix.com/news/irish-
republican-army/2007/12/lord-mountbatten-killed-by-ira-supported-
unification-of-ireland

Mountbatten isn>t loved by many living on the Indian subcontinent.

If anything I have to fight Anglophile tendencies.

You>ve outed yourself as being a "protestant-brit" descendant
whose family has been in Ireland for a while. To call yourself
of Irish descent is a misnomer. Can you qualify as a Celt?

But as for the Holocaust, how can anybody really associate with people
whose parents (or parents' generation) had no trouble killing millions
of children, and women and doing it in a sadistic way? Isn>t there
some sort of behavior that is beyond the Pale forever?

So you think guilt descends through the genes? I had hoped
that western civilization had grown beyond this. Perhaps
you hold with the old testament 'to the 7th generation'
damnation?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

OK, you got me a little bit---father was Orange and mother was Green.
But I have always identified with the Green 100%.

A good reason to leave the old sod.

I have Catholic relatives in Dublin whose sons joined the Royal
Marines and who have a picture of the Queen on the mantlepiece.

Trollishness runs through the whole family then....

The British public and even Parliament favored home rule before World
War I. I am not an Orange supporter---they are the real cause of all
the "Troubles". If it wasn>t for the Loyalists the British and Irish
would have solved the problem a hundred years ago.

"Loyalists" is yet another misnomer.

One favorite saying of my more rabid Orange relatives was "We will
fight to be British even if we have to fight the British."
Does guilt pass through the genes? No. But if your Uncle and Daddy
gassed my relatives solely because of their ethnic group I>d have real
doubts about you.

You>re perfectly free to assume that they did, even though
they actually didn>t. You can make these statements all you
want but in the end your if personal reasonability fails to
take charge then you>re worse than the people you are claiming
to stand against.

The Germans were not punished enough after World War II.

You>re obviously not old enough to remember the ads for
Care Packages and ads asking that we Americans save
Starving Europe in the late 1940>s and into the early
1950>s.

Also the German people were severely punished before
WWII, another fact you>re obviously not aware of. And
there>s the complicancy of the British government which
refused at allow asylum for Jewish children from Nazi
occupied regions *even when they had close relatives
living in England!* And a shipload of Jews who had
escaped the gas chambers but were not allowed to
disembark *anywhere* (US, UK, Canada, Cuba, South
America) and were thus forced to return to their point
of embarkation after which they all went to the gas
chambers without a solitary survivor among them. There>s
a movie about their journey.

Any relative of those people can rightly say that the
US, Canada, Cuban, and South American peoples haven>t
been sufficiently punished and that, dear Troll,
includes you as descendant of peoples responsible for
that shipload of deaths.

You know
very well that the majority of the German public knew what was going
on. Look at newspapers from the times----the whole story was public
knowledge by Jan. 1944. Actually even before the war it was clear
what would happen to the Jews if Hitler got into power. And the
majority of the German public didn>t care.

The majority of European people had several generations of
unescapable propaganda that the Jews were at the root of
all their problems.

Compare the sermons and ideology of American Black Liberation
Theology, in particular Jeremiah Wright>s teachings (and all
those he insists are required reading in order to understand
his viewpoint correctly.)

Every time I hear that accent, and with every German I talk to,

> I have the feeling I am talking to a strange and evil breed
> of human. (see my next post as to why it might be genetic.)

You probably even haven>t noticed that the US movie industry and
television, since the 1950>s at least, has cast German looking
and sounding individuals as the villains. Nowhere is this clearer
than in the currently hot scifi series Battlestar Galactica. The
hot babe Cylon is clearly based on the German phenotype, as are
several other villains.

In the end you>ve been falling for precisely the same sorts
of propaganda that 1930>s Germans were driven to accept as
true by the mere universality of the subliminal messages that
hammered at them day in day out year in year out. You haven>t
stood up to it very well, apparently, yet you place greater
demands on Germans than you do yourself.

Me? I don>t hate anyone. Haven>t been able to since some
brush with enlightenment in late stage childhood grabbed
me and never let go. There are moments when it would be
ever so much more convenient to be able to hate. I miss
being able to hate, but there you have it, I cannot.- Hide quoted text -

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[/quote]
Surprisingly I find myself being forced to agree with most of what you
say. Most of my clan have done things that seem to be saying "Look at
me." Like my Dad who got to come to America in 1942, during the war,
and when it was over he shipped his big Packard back to Ireland so he
could drive it around during his visit. You can guess that that
didn>t go over too well. But yes we Smyth>s are show offs or
attention seekers.

Are you a German? As for Germanic blood in the British, recent
genetic surveys put it at less than 50% and much much less in the
Irish. I don>t think Saxon blood determines behavior, just like the
descendants of the Vikings are now very peaceful and reasonable
peoples.

True the movies have brainwashed me, and you too I suppose. If a bill
collector named "Guido" calls you from Las Vegas and has a heavy
Italian accent you do wonder if there might be some mention of
violence for not paying." Irrational yes, but something many people
think.

Paul Hovnanian P.E. · Guest

foolsrushout wrote:
[quote]
Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

Rushtown wrote:

A person who is very good at math and the sciences can be very stupid
when it comes to opinions concerning politics and human affairs.

One can have a great sense of numbers, and very good short term
memory, and an ability to visualize objects and relationships---yet
none of these skills
would help that person to answer the following question:

"What should the US Military do if Iran tests an atomic bomb and
threatens to use it against Israel?"

That all depends on the circumstances. If that situation arose today,
there>s not much we could do. Our military is stretched too thin to deal
with the Taliban and a nut job Islamic cleric at the same time.

Given 5 or 10 years after we are out of Iraq, we might be able to build
up to meet the challenge. But not now.

Keep in mind that, if Iran actually tests one weapon, they probably
would probably have a handful of others mounted on missiles, ready to
fire within a few minutes.

Fortunately, it appears (thanks to the latest intelligence data) that
Iran has respond to international pressures and ceased weapons work.
That>s the sign of a rational player. One with whom we (or better yet,
the international community) can negotiate with. We need to keep the
pressure on them to open their peaceful nuclear program to inspection
and reward good behavior. But in order to do that, we need leadership
that is capable of talking to them without coming off like a moron.

Persia, today that means Iran, has a different worldview from
yours. You>re the one coming off like a moron at the moment.
Until and unless you can verify that Iran has ceased weapons
work the only safe assumption is that they have not.
[/quote]
Not really that much different. If you came from that part of the world,
you>d see how much their 'world view' resembles our own.

After Iran cooperated with Bush during the invasion of Afghanistan and
Bush responded by identifying Iran as part of the axis of evil,
Rafsanjani>s policy of normalizing relations with the west was
discredited and Ahmadinejad was elected as a hard liner.

Iran>s view of the USA under Bush is that it is unstable and
unpredictable. Iran ceased weapons research, as confirmed by our own
intelligence community, due to international pressure. And yet, the
American hard-liners continue to make stuff up to justify possible
military action.

[quote]To test your theory, negotiate first with Jeremiah Wright.
He thinks he>s not a racist. Iran>s rationality is much like
Wright>s. Explain to Wright how much better off the Black Man
is in the US today than his peers are in the lands that spawned
them both.
[/quote]
Wright, Ahmadinejad, and Bush all use the same sort of tactics to rally
their supporters to their cause, Lies and exaggeration. Heck, that>s the
same sort of thing we>ve done in all the past wars we>ve been involved
in: demonize the enemy to motivate the troops.

Iran sees an attack from US forces as more or less inevitable, no matter
what they do. So the smart things to do are to motivate the troops in
preparation for war and to use their allies, the Shias in Iraq, to keep
our troops busy to buy as much time as possible.

--
Paul Hovnanian paul@hovnanian.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Procrastinators: The leaders for tomorrow.

foolsrushout · Guest

Rushtown wrote:

[quote]On May 7, 9:32 pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Rushtown wrote:

On May 7, 2:46�pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Being Irish American I sometimes get very angry reading about
Cromwell. �But then I realize that was a long time ago and the British
have acted OK since 1814---they are forgiven.

It gets even more interesting when you accept the fact
that the Brits are Anglo Saxon, with the Saxon part
being German. In fact the Royal Family (including
the Mountbatten your boys killed) were involved in a
headlong rush to change their names from the Germanic
ones they had prior to WWI.

So would you have any problem owning an "English Car"?

Do you have any bombing ideation about Windsor Castle?

How about White Castle?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

(I>m trying to learn to delete stuff, hope I did not delete too much.)

You didn>t get my point.

More likely the converse.

If the bad stuff happened long enough ago I
am willing to forgive.

How many generations?

And the "Irish question" is a lot more complicated than your post
suggests. My parents who grew up in Ireland did not like the IRA or
their methods. And the killing of Mountbatten, a war hero and a
friend of Ireland, was just murder.http://www.topix.com/news/irish-
republican-army/2007/12/lord-mountbatten-killed-by-ira-supported-
unification-of-ireland

Mountbatten isn>t loved by many living on the Indian subcontinent.

If anything I have to fight Anglophile tendencies.

You>ve outed yourself as being a "protestant-brit" descendant
whose family has been in Ireland for a while. To call yourself
of Irish descent is a misnomer. Can you qualify as a Celt?

But as for the Holocaust, how can anybody really associate with people
whose parents (or parents' generation) had no trouble killing millions
of children, and women and doing it in a sadistic way? Isn>t there
some sort of behavior that is beyond the Pale forever?

So you think guilt descends through the genes? I had hoped
that western civilization had grown beyond this. Perhaps
you hold with the old testament 'to the 7th generation'
damnation?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

OK, you got me a little bit---father was Orange and mother was Green.
But I have always identified with the Green 100%.
[/quote]
A good reason to leave the old sod.

[quote]I have Catholic relatives in Dublin whose sons joined the Royal
Marines and who have a picture of the Queen on the mantlepiece.
[/quote]
Trollishness runs through the whole family then....

[quote]The British public and even Parliament favored home rule before World
War I. I am not an Orange supporter---they are the real cause of all
the "Troubles". If it wasn>t for the Loyalists the British and Irish
would have solved the problem a hundred years ago.
[/quote]
"Loyalists" is yet another misnomer.

[quote]One favorite saying of my more rabid Orange relatives was "We will
fight to be British even if we have to fight the British."
Does guilt pass through the genes? No. But if your Uncle and Daddy
gassed my relatives solely because of their ethnic group I>d have real
doubts about you.
[/quote]
You>re perfectly free to assume that they did, even though
they actually didn>t. You can make these statements all you
want but in the end your if personal reasonability fails to
take charge then you>re worse than the people you are claiming
to stand against.

[quote]The Germans were not punished enough after World War II.
[/quote]
You>re obviously not old enough to remember the ads for
Care Packages and ads asking that we Americans save
Starving Europe in the late 1940>s and into the early
1950>s.

Also the German people were severely punished before
WWII, another fact you>re obviously not aware of. And
there>s the complicancy of the British government which
refused at allow asylum for Jewish children from Nazi
occupied regions *even when they had close relatives
living in England!* And a shipload of Jews who had
escaped the gas chambers but were not allowed to
disembark *anywhere* (US, UK, Canada, Cuba, South
America) and were thus forced to return to their point
of embarkation after which they all went to the gas
chambers without a solitary survivor among them. There>s
a movie about their journey.

Any relative of those people can rightly say that the
US, Canada, Cuban, and South American peoples haven>t
been sufficiently punished and that, dear Troll,
includes you as descendant of peoples responsible for
that shipload of deaths.

[quote]You know
very well that the majority of the German public knew what was going
on. Look at newspapers from the times----the whole story was public
knowledge by Jan. 1944. Actually even before the war it was clear
what would happen to the Jews if Hitler got into power. And the
majority of the German public didn>t care.
[/quote]
The majority of European people had several generations of
unescapable propaganda that the Jews were at the root of
all their problems.

Compare the sermons and ideology of American Black Liberation
Theology, in particular Jeremiah Wright>s teachings (and all
those he insists are required reading in order to understand
his viewpoint correctly.)

[quote]Every time I hear that accent, and with every German I talk to,
I have the feeling I am talking to a strange and evil breed
of human. (see my next post as to why it might be genetic.)
[/quote]
You probably even haven>t noticed that the US movie industry and
television, since the 1950>s at least, has cast German looking
and sounding individuals as the villains. Nowhere is this clearer
than in the currently hot scifi series Battlestar Galactica. The
hot babe Cylon is clearly based on the German phenotype, as are
several other villains.

In the end you>ve been falling for precisely the same sorts
of propaganda that 1930>s Germans were driven to accept as
true by the mere universality of the subliminal messages that
hammered at them day in day out year in year out. You haven>t
stood up to it very well, apparently, yet you place greater
demands on Germans than you do yourself.

Me? I don>t hate anyone. Haven>t been able to since some
brush with enlightenment in late stage childhood grabbed
me and never let go. There are moments when it would be
ever so much more convenient to be able to hate. I miss
being able to hate, but there you have it, I cannot.

foolsrushout · Guest

Rushtown wrote:

[quote]Are you a German? As for Germanic blood in the British, recent
genetic surveys put it at less than 50% and much much less in the
Irish. I don>t think Saxon blood determines behavior, just like the
descendants of the Vikings are now very peaceful and reasonable
peoples.
[/quote]
I am a mongrel with a plethora of European ancestors
including some small partial Saxon heritage. I think
that makes me a melting pot American.


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