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Rod Speed · Guest

jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

it will make cheap energy economies and the poorer ends of those economies suffer the most.

I doubt that too. Few use oil as a source of the bulk of the energy they use anymore.

Airplanes, trucks, ships, trains...

Which aint cheap energy economys being discussed there.

I quote:
"Few use oil as a source of the bulk of the energy they use anymore."

The primary use of oil in most of the world is for transport.

But that isnt the primary source of energy in the cheap energy economys being discussed there.

There is never going to be "cheap" energy.

Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

Why do you think having cheap energy sources is possible?

YOU made that claim.

YOU get to substantiate that claim.

THATS how it works.

I see.

Nope, you never ever do.

You do recognize that there won>t be any such thing as cheap energy.

Didnt say anything like that either.

You wrote the phrase "cheap energy economy".
[/quote]
Nope. Someone else did.

[quote]Having cheap modify the word economy doesn>t make any sense
[/quote]
Wrong again.

[quote]so I assumed you were modifying the word energy;
[/quote]
More fool you.

[quote]I>m talking about sentence diagramming.
[/quote]
You>ve got your dick in your hand. Stoppit before you end up completely blind.

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In sci.physics Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote:

[quote]Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun
to power a lightbulb year round. > /BAH

Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing solar
energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself, please!
[/quote]
Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of life.

I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces
the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide
squat in terms of energy.

And, BTW, you were responding to a woman, so you didn>t even get that
part right.

--
Jim Pennino

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Rod Speed · Guest

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
[quote]In sci.physics Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote:

Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun
to power a lightbulb year round. > /BAH

Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing
solar energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself,
please!

Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of
life.

I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces
the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide
squat in terms of energy.
[/quote]
Doesnt qualify as MOST ROOFS.

> And, BTW, you were responding to a woman, so you didn>t even get that part right.

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In sci.physics Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote:

Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun
to power a lightbulb year round. > /BAH

Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing
solar energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself,
please!

Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of
life.

I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces
the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide
squat in terms of energy.

Doesnt qualify as MOST ROOFS.
[/quote]
Backpeddling, but nontheless, it is true for most roofs in my area.

In sunny, warm parts of the country, i.e. those areas with solar
energy to be collected in the first place, more houses are build with
the long axis north-south than are built with the long axis east-west.

[quote]And, BTW, you were responding to a woman, so you didn>t even get that part right.
[/quote]

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Rod Speed · Guest

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
[quote]Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote

Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t
get enough sun to power a lightbulb year round.

Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing
solar energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself, please!

Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of life.

I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide squat in terms of energy.

Doesnt qualify as MOST ROOFS.

Backpeddling,
[/quote]
Nope.

[quote]but nontheless, it is true for most roofs in my area.
[/quote]
You>re lying now.

[quote]In sunny, warm parts of the country, i.e. those areas with solar
energy to be collected in the first place, more houses are build with
the long axis north-south than are built with the long axis east-west.
[/quote]
Irrelevant to your bare faced lie.

>>> And, BTW, you were responding to a woman, so you didn>t even get that part right.

Peace in the Middle East! · Guest

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[quote]In sci.physics Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote:

Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun
to power a lightbulb year round. > /BAH

Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing solar
energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself, please!

Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of life.

[/quote]
Learn to F*** Read ........... "those that DO [face the sun], don>t get
enough sun..."

Absolute F**** bullshit, then and still now !!!

There are houses in the NE USA that are totally solar powered, and add net
electricity into the grid, and power there electric cars off the roof too.

WAKE UP and educate yourself.

Catch a plane to Germany ... yes cloudy cold germany, and see how many solar
panels it takes on a roof to power a home.

[quote]I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces
the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide
squat in terms of energy.

[/quote]
Move to a fucking house that has sun then ya twit.

OR Put the solar panels on the ground on stands where it is sunny ---- doh,
that>s thinking outside the box now ain>t it?

Not much point putting up solar panels in the bottom of the grand canyon,
DOH!

[quote]And, BTW, you were responding to a woman, so you didn>t even get that
part right.

[/quote]
OMG, is my hair colour wrong too? Twit!

[quote]
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Jim Pennino

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jmfbahciv · Guest

Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rob Dekker wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :

I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power 24/7.
It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7.
All for FREE.

The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.

And doing that isnt going to be free.

That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.

There are also tradeoffs. What are will have to be given up if you
do collect your energy requirements from that fusion reactor?

Nothing much, some surface area, quite a bit of which is currently unused, most obviously with roofs.

Most roofs don>t face the sun;

Thats just plain wrong.
[/quote]
Only 1/4 of my roof is on the south side. And it>s shade by deciduous
trees during the summer. During the winter it tends to be covered
in snow and ice.

[quote]
those that do, don>t get enough sun to power a lightbulb year round.

And that in spades.
[/quote]
I think you need to look out your windows a tad more.
Notice all the flat roofs which would not work? Think
about dirt, smoke, fog, etc.

[quote]
There are more tradeoffs.

Sure. But viable ones regardless.
[/quote]
You have yet to do any serious thinking. Can you think of more
tradeoffs?

[quote]
You are too willing to dismiss thinking about tradeoffs.

Corse you never did anything like that yourself, eh ?
[/quote]

I was paid to think of all of them before the the first
paragraph of a specification or plan had been written.

This is called brainstorming. You seem to be compelled
to skip this step completely. Is this because you are
aware of some that makes your proposal not work at all?

/BAH

/BAH

jmfbahciv · Guest

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
[quote]In sci.physics Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote:

Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun
to power a lightbulb year round. > /BAH

Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing solar
energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself, please!

Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of life.

I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces
the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide
squat in terms of energy.
[/quote]
Wow. Not even a night light..
[quote]
And, BTW, you were responding to a woman, so you didn>t even get that
part right.
[/quote]
<GRIN> I was trying to count all the things that were wrong and
ran out of digits at 20. ;-)

/BAH

[quote]
[/quote]

jmfbahciv · Guest

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
[quote]In sci.physics Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote:

Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun
to power a lightbulb year round. > /BAH
Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing
solar energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself,
please!
Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of
life.

I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces
the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide
squat in terms of energy.

Doesnt qualify as MOST ROOFS.

Backpeddling, but nontheless, it is true for most roofs in my area.

In sunny, warm parts of the country, i.e. those areas with solar
energy to be collected in the first place, more houses are build with
the long axis north-south than are built with the long axis east-west.
[/quote]
The other way would cook everybody and everything that was in the house.

/BAH

jmfbahciv · Guest

Peace in the Middle East! wrote:
[quote]jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
news:1fcsl5-vu.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
In sci.physics Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote:

Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun
to power a lightbulb year round. > /BAH
Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing solar
energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself, please!
Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of life.

Learn to F*** Read ........... "those that DO [face the sun], don>t get
enough sun..."

Absolute F**** bullshit, then and still now !!!

There are houses in the NE USA that are totally solar powered, and add net
electricity into the grid, and power there electric cars off the roof too.

WAKE UP and educate yourself.

Catch a plane to Germany ... yes cloudy cold germany, and see how many solar
panels it takes on a roof to power a home.
[/quote]
Now see how much oil Germany buys from the Mideast. Solar technology
is not self-sustaining. It is also not cheap at all.

[quote]

I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces
the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide
squat in terms of energy.

Move to a fucking house that has sun then ya twit.
[/quote]
Consider that a house>s lot is about 1/8-1/4 acre. And that>s
considered a large lot. There is no extra space for those
who live in apartment buildings.

[quote]
OR Put the solar panels on the ground on stands where it is sunny ---- doh,
that>s thinking outside the box now ain>t it?
[/quote]
What ground?
[quote]
Not much point putting up solar panels in the bottom of the grand canyon,
DOH!
[/quote]
Instead of trying to imitate a horse, why don>t you think about the
problems? This is how tradeoffs are defined.

/BAH

The Trucker · Guest

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:21:34 -0400, jmfbahciv wrote:

[quote]Peace in the Middle East! wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
news:1fcsl5-vu.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
In sci.physics Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote:

Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun
to power a lightbulb year round. > /BAH
Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing solar
energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself, please!
Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of life.

Learn to F*** Read ........... "those that DO [face the sun], don>t get
enough sun..."

Absolute F**** bullshit, then and still now !!!

There are houses in the NE USA that are totally solar powered, and add net
electricity into the grid, and power there electric cars off the roof too.

WAKE UP and educate yourself.

Catch a plane to Germany ... yes cloudy cold germany, and see how many solar
panels it takes on a roof to power a home.

Now see how much oil Germany buys from the Mideast. Solar technology
is not self-sustaining. It is also not cheap at all.
[/quote]
We are very fortunate in the USA in that we have a lot of land that can be
used to do solar collection. Germany is not so blessed and yet they do
the solar. It seems to me that we must have some "political" problem in
our country that keeps things that should happen from actually happening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hvdc "It>s 5 O>clock somewhere". More on
infrastructure and less on fascism please.

[quote]

I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces
the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide
squat in terms of energy.

Move to a fucking house that has sun then ya twit.

Consider that a house>s lot is about 1/8-1/4 acre. And that>s
considered a large lot. There is no extra space for those
who live in apartment buildings.

OR Put the solar panels on the ground on stands where it is sunny ---- doh,
that>s thinking outside the box now ain>t it?

What ground?

Not much point putting up solar panels in the bottom of the grand canyon,
DOH!

Instead of trying to imitate a horse, why don>t you think about the
problems? This is how tradeoffs are defined.

/BAH
--[/quote]
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend

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In sci.physics Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote:

[quote]jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
news:1fcsl5-vu.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
In sci.physics Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote:

Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun
to power a lightbulb year round. > /BAH

Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing solar
energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself, please!

Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of life.

Learn to F*** Read ........... "those that DO [face the sun], don>t get
enough sun..."

Absolute F**** bullshit, then and still now !!!

There are houses in the NE USA that are totally solar powered, and add net
electricity into the grid, and power there electric cars off the roof too.
[/quote]
Do you understand the meaning of the words "possible" and "practical"
and what the difference is?

[quote]WAKE UP and educate yourself.

Catch a plane to Germany ... yes cloudy cold germany, and see how many solar
panels it takes on a roof to power a home.
[/quote]
Of course in Germany they get more than the average solar irradience
of the rest of the world...

[quote]I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces
the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide
squat in terms of energy.

Move to a fucking house that has sun then ya twit.
[/quote]
What part of most houses around here have the roof peak aligned north
and south are you having trouble understanding?

[quote]OR Put the solar panels on the ground on stands where it is sunny ---- doh,
that>s thinking outside the box now ain>t it?
[/quote]
Well, I guess I could dig out the garden and all the trees.

Please provide the engineering calculation for how deep and how much
concrete I need to hold up several square meters of flat plate in the
Santa Anna winds which hit 65 MPH almost every year.

[quote]Not much point putting up solar panels in the bottom of the grand canyon,
DOH!

And, BTW, you were responding to a woman, so you didn>t even get that
part right.

OMG, is my hair colour wrong too? Twit!
[/quote]
So, since you are such a proponent, you must have put YOUR money where
YOUR mouth is and have installed a solar system.

Please tell us what the annual average generated energy is, how much
it cost you to install and maintain, and when you expect to break even
on the investment; be sure to include the cost of money in your ROI
calculations.

Pictures of YOUR installation would be nice.

--
Jim Pennino

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Rod Speed · Guest

jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[quote]jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote

Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun to power a lightbulb year round.

Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing
solar energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself, please!

Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of life.

I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide squat in terms of energy.

Doesnt qualify as MOST ROOFS.

Backpeddling, but nontheless, it is true for most roofs in my area.

In sunny, warm parts of the country, i.e. those areas with solar
energy to be collected in the first place, more houses are build with
the long axis north-south than are built with the long axis east-west.

The other way would cook everybody and everything that was in the house.
[/quote]
Nope.

Rod Speed · Guest

The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote
[quote]jmfbahciv wrote
Peace in the Middle East! wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote
Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote

Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t
get enough sun to power a lightbulb year round.

Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing
solar energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself, please!

Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of life.

Learn to F*** Read ........... "those that DO [face the sun], don>t get enough sun..."

Absolute F**** bullshit, then and still now !!!

There are houses in the NE USA that are totally solar powered, and add
net electricity into the grid, and power there electric cars off the roof too.

WAKE UP and educate yourself.

Catch a plane to Germany ... yes cloudy cold germany, and
see how many solar panels it takes on a roof to power a home.

Now see how much oil Germany buys from the Mideast.
[/quote]
And how they generate most of their grid power.

[quote]Solar technology is not self-sustaining. It is also not cheap at all.

We are very fortunate in the USA in that we have
a lot of land that can be used to do solar collection.
Germany is not so blessed and yet they do the solar.
[/quote]
Because they are stupid enough to slug their industry and commerce
to subsidise grossly uneconomic domestic solar systems.

[quote]It seems to me that we must have some "political" problem in our
country that keeps things that should happen from actually happening.
[/quote]
In fact its the krauts that have the political problem. Their stupid proportional
representation system is what has produced that terminal insanity because
their parliaments have to pander to the green vote and its that that produces
that terminal insanity thats no good for the country.

[quote]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hvdc "It>s 5 O>clock somewhere".
More on infrastructure and less on fascism please.
[/quote]
Like I said, you wouldnt know what real fascism was if it bit you on your lard arse.

[quote]I concidered putting solar on my house.

The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that
faces the sun without obstruction.

It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to
provide squat in terms of energy.

Move to a fucking house that has sun then ya twit.

Consider that a house>s lot is about 1/8-1/4 acre. And that>s
considered a large lot. There is no extra space for those
who live in apartment buildings.

OR Put the solar panels on the ground on stands where it is sunny
---- doh, that>s thinking outside the box now ain>t it?

What ground?

Not much point putting up solar panels in the bottom of the grand
canyon, DOH!

Instead of trying to imitate a horse, why don>t you think about the
problems? This is how tradeoffs are defined.

/BAH[/quote]

Rod Speed · Guest

jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rob Dekker wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :

I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power 24/7.
It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7.
All for FREE.

The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.

And doing that isnt going to be free.

That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.

There are also tradeoffs. What are will have to be given up if
you do collect your energy requirements from that fusion reactor?

Nothing much, some surface area, quite a bit of which is currently unused, most obviously with roofs.

Most roofs don>t face the sun;

Thats just plain wrong.

Only 1/4 of my roof is on the south side.
[/quote]
Thats plenty for powering the house.

[quote]And it>s shade by deciduous trees during the summer.
[/quote]
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out
how to cut those trees down if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

Or how to put the panels on other than the roof if thats what you prefer.

[quote]During the winter it tends to be covered in snow and ice.
[/quote]
Your problem. That isnt true for many.

[quote]those that do, don>t get enough sun to power a lightbulb year round.

And that in spades.

I think you need to look out your windows a tad more.
Notice all the flat roofs which would not work?
[/quote]
Corse they work fine.

[quote]Think about dirt, smoke, fog, etc.
[/quote]
That just means you need more panel area.

[quote]There are more tradeoffs.

Sure. But viable ones regardless.

You have yet to do any serious thinking.
[/quote]
You>re lying, as always. I considered all that when I build my house thanks.

[quote]Can you think of more tradeoffs?
[/quote]
None that arent viable.

[quote]You are too willing to dismiss thinking about tradeoffs.

Corse you never did anything like that yourself, eh ?

I was paid to think of all of them before the the first
paragraph of a specification or plan had been written.
[/quote]
You might not be alone on that.

[quote]This is called brainstorming.
[/quote]
Your is called wanking.

[quote]You seem to be compelled to skip this step completely.
[/quote]
You>re lying, again.

[quote]Is this because you are aware of some that makes your proposal not work at all?
[/quote]
Or it just might be that I have been involved in the construction
of that sort of thing and know damned well that it works fine.


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