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 Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6ervceF8jknsU1@mid.individual.net...
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[quote]But that isnt the primary source of energy in the cheap energy economys being discussed there.
There is never going to be "cheap" energy.
Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
Why do you think having cheap energy sources is possible?
YOU made that claim.
YOU get to substantiate that claim.
THATS how it works.
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Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power 24/7.
It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7.
All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
Rob |
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DB
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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Rod Speed wrote:
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Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.
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google: bullshit "out of" "paper bag" "rod speed
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,400
nuf said... |
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DB
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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Rob Dekker wrote:
[quote]"DB" <abc@some.net> wrote in message news:b68ik.1855$7g.26@fe109.usenetserver.com...
Rob Dekker wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Rob Dekker <rob@verific.com> wrote
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Oh.. that>s right, I forgot to mention that you call me "boy".
Still lying.
RD: > I gave the Hisrch report and the EWG report.
RS: "No news to me boy."
I have not been reading hear lately as it is mostly a Bret Cahill feeding frenzy.
But just so you know, the Rod Speed guy is a lot like Bret. Full of himself and unable to think critically.
I>m surprised he has not shifted into profane belligerence. It won>t be long before he starts calling you names...
But, have fun.
Best, Dan.
Thanks Dan,
Bret at least comes up with numbers, proposes things and he is full of ideas. Wacky, some crazy, some out of the box, but I like
that. And he makes good points sometimes.
As for Rod, he has nothing to contribute. I really tried to pick his brain, but there is not much there it seems.
Good to see you back.
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Hi Rob,
Yea, Bret can certainly be coherent some of the time. But then, he gets
himself into the ozone and refuses to come back to earth. An idiot savant?
But, I can see how you would appreciate some of his stuff as it becomes
a lot like what I call, 'whistling through the graveyard...' :)
Come on, farming in circles will save us!? And I think you pointed out,
'when do we start?' (a long time favorite question I>ve asked for years.)
It is not even about farming. It is about this civilization demanding
more than 85mb/d of liquids and now we are putting the onus on farming!
And thanks! But my day job is still all over me for now.
Best, Dan.
(check out the last link on my page)
http://lakeweb.net/gasifier/ |
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jmfbahciv
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]Rob Dekker <rob@verific.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power 24/7.
It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7.
All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
And doing that isnt going to be free.
That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.
Some of it is, most obviously with using it to grow sugar cane that used to produce ethanol.
Using it to grow slime for oil too.
[/quote]
These all take manpower. That means labor costs. That means an
infrastructure in place so these people can have a place to live,
something to eat, and stores to buy stuff like clothes, cars, etc.
I>m still curious about how you can assume that there is a
possibility of a "cheap energy economy".
/BAH |
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jmfbahciv
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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Rob Dekker wrote:
[quote]"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6esvqlF8l2t5U1@mid.individual.net...
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Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power 24/7.
It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7.
All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
And doing that isnt going to be free.
That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.
[/quote]
There are also tradeoffs. What are will have to be
given up if you do collect your energy requirements
from that fusion reactor?
/BAH |
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jmfbahciv
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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Rob Dekker wrote:
[quote]"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
Rob
Okay. I have my bucket. What do I do?
Billiant :o)
Go to the gas station, fill it up.
Store it away for a year.
Then sell it for a 30% profit.
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Before or after 100% evapoartion? ;-)
[quote]Or wait 10 years, sell it for more profit.
This stuff is liquid gold.
[/quote]
Not really. The US gas prices are lower than Europe>s.
Congress will take care of that inequality.
/BAH |
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jmfbahciv
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
it will make cheap energy economies and the poorer ends of those economies suffer the most.
I doubt that too. Few use oil as a source of the bulk of the energy they use anymore.
Airplanes, trucks, ships, trains...
Which aint cheap energy economys being discussed there.
I quote:
"Few use oil as a source of the bulk of the energy they use anymore."
The primary use of oil in most of the world is for transport.
But that isnt the primary source of energy in the cheap energy economys being discussed there.
There is never going to be "cheap" energy.
Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
Why do you think having cheap energy sources is possible?
YOU made that claim.
YOU get to substantiate that claim.
THATS how it works.
[/quote]
I see. You do recognize that there won>t be any such thing as
cheap energy.
/BAH |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[quote]Rob Dekker wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power 24/7.
It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7.
All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
And doing that isnt going to be free.
That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.
There are also tradeoffs. What are will have to be given up if you do collect your energy requirements from that
fusion reactor?
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Nothing much, some surface area, quite a bit of which is currently unused, most obviously with roofs. |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
[quote]Rob Dekker wrote:
"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:48894b8e$0$7810$2318a52a@unlimited.newshosting.com...
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The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
Rob
Okay. I have my bucket. What do I do?
Billiant :o)
Go to the gas station, fill it up.
Store it away for a year.
Then sell it for a 30% profit.
Before or after 100% evapoartion? ;-)
Or wait 10 years, sell it for more profit.
This stuff is liquid gold.
Not really. The US gas prices are lower than Europe>s.
Congress will take care of that inequality.
[/quote]
No it wont, the difference will remain. |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
it will make cheap energy economies and the poorer ends of those economies suffer the most.
I doubt that too. Few use oil as a source of the bulk of the energy they use anymore.
Airplanes, trucks, ships, trains...
Which aint cheap energy economys being discussed there.
I quote:
"Few use oil as a source of the bulk of the energy they use anymore."
The primary use of oil in most of the world is for transport.
But that isnt the primary source of energy in the cheap energy economys being discussed there.
There is never going to be "cheap" energy.
Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
Why do you think having cheap energy sources is possible?
YOU made that claim.
YOU get to substantiate that claim.
THATS how it works.
I see.
[/quote]
Nope, you never ever do.
[quote]You do recognize that there won>t be any such thing as cheap energy.
[/quote]
Didnt say anything like that either. |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
Rob Dekker <rob@verific.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power 24/7.
It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7.
All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
And doing that isnt going to be free.
That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.
Some of it is, most obviously with using it to grow sugar cane that used to produce ethanol.
Using it to grow slime for oil too.
These all take manpower.
[/quote]
Not necessarily. Slime can be automated very easily.
Thats essentially what we do with sewerage treatment plants now.
We dont have sweated labor shovelling the shit anymore.
[quote]That means labor costs.
[/quote]
Minimal labor costs when its done properly.
There>s bugger all labor costs involved in modern sewerage treatment plants.
[quote]That means an infrastructure in place so these people can have a place to live, something to eat, and stores to buy
stuff like clothes, cars, etc.
I>m still curious about how you can assume that there is a possibility of a "cheap energy economy".
[/quote]
I didnt even say anything like that. |
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jmfbahciv
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rob Dekker wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power 24/7.
It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7.
All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
And doing that isnt going to be free.
That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.
There are also tradeoffs. What are will have to be given up if you do collect your energy requirements from that
fusion reactor?
Nothing much, some surface area, quite a bit of which is currently unused, most obviously with roofs.
Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun[/quote]
to power a lightbulb year round. There are more tradeoffs. You are too
willing to dismiss thinking about tradeoffs.
/BAH |
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jmfbahciv
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
it will make cheap energy economies and the poorer ends of those economies suffer the most.
I doubt that too. Few use oil as a source of the bulk of the energy they use anymore.
Airplanes, trucks, ships, trains...
Which aint cheap energy economys being discussed there.
I quote:
"Few use oil as a source of the bulk of the energy they use anymore."
The primary use of oil in most of the world is for transport.
But that isnt the primary source of energy in the cheap energy economys being discussed there.
There is never going to be "cheap" energy.
Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
Why do you think having cheap energy sources is possible?
YOU made that claim.
YOU get to substantiate that claim.
THATS how it works.
I see.
Nope, you never ever do.
You do recognize that there won>t be any such thing as cheap energy.
Didnt say anything like that either.
You wrote the phrase "cheap energy economy". Having cheap modify the[/quote]
word economy doesn>t make any sense so I assumed you were modifying
the word energy; I>m talking about sentence diagramming.
/BAH |
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Peace in the Middle East!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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[quote]Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun
to power a lightbulb year round. > /BAH
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Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing solar
energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself, please! |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rob Dekker wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power 24/7.
It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7.
All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
And doing that isnt going to be free.
That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.
There are also tradeoffs. What are will have to be given up if you
do collect your energy requirements from that fusion reactor?
Nothing much, some surface area, quite a bit of which is currently unused, most obviously with roofs.
Most roofs don>t face the sun;
[/quote]
Thats just plain wrong.
[quote]those that do, don>t get enough sun to power a lightbulb year round.
[/quote]
And that in spades.
[quote]There are more tradeoffs.
[/quote]
Sure. But viable ones regardless.
[quote]You are too willing to dismiss thinking about tradeoffs.
[/quote]
Corse you never did anything like that yourself, eh ? |
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