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Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote
Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun to power a lightbulb year round.
Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing
solar energy, and alternative technologies .... educate yourself, please!
Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of life.
I concidered putting solar on my house.
The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces the sun without obstruction.
It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide squat in terms of energy.
Doesnt qualify as MOST ROOFS.
Backpeddling, but nontheless, it is true for most roofs in my area.
In sunny, warm parts of the country, i.e. those areas with solar
energy to be collected in the first place, more houses are build with
the long axis north-south than are built with the long axis east-west.
The other way would cook everybody and everything that was in the house.
Nope.
[/quote]
Obviously, you have no idea what you>re talking about. Do an
experiment. Put a thermometer under the eaves of a roof that
runs east and west. Make sure you put it on the south side.
Record the temps.
/BAH
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jmfbahciv
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rob Dekker wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power 24/7.
It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7.
All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
And doing that isnt going to be free.
That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.
There are also tradeoffs. What are will have to be given up if
you do collect your energy requirements from that fusion reactor?
Nothing much, some surface area, quite a bit of which is currently unused, most obviously with roofs.
Most roofs don>t face the sun;
Thats just plain wrong.
Only 1/4 of my roof is on the south side.
Thats plenty for powering the house.
[/quote]
No, it>s not. A panel would be about 4>x10'. Do the math.
[quote]
And it>s shade by deciduous trees during the summer.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out
how to cut those trees down if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
[/quote]
I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those
trees. I also gain some solar heat during the winter when the
leaves are off the trees and the sun shines into the windows.
I rarely have to turn on the AC during the summer because I know
how to use nature to keep the house cool.
[quote]
Or how to put the panels on other than the roof if thats what you prefer.
During the winter it tends to be covered in snow and ice.
Your problem. That isnt true for many.
[/quote]
You are wrong. That>s true for many in the US, and all in the Northeast.
[quote]
those that do, don>t get enough sun to power a lightbulb year round.
And that in spades.
I think you need to look out your windows a tad more.
Notice all the flat roofs which would not work?
Corse they work fine.
[/quote]
Flat roofs would collect solar energy? Why do you think the
designs have the panels propped up on a slant?
[quote]
Think about dirt, smoke, fog, etc.
That just means you need more panel area.
[/quote]
See above. There is no room for more panel area. When your
power consumption increases, what are you going to do?
Use your neighbor>s acreage? What do you do if you live
in an apartment house?
[quote]
There are more tradeoffs.
Sure. But viable ones regardless.
You have yet to do any serious thinking.
You>re lying, as always. I considered all that when I build my house thanks.
[/quote]
And you are completely off the grid? What are you going to do when your
power consumption doubles?
[quote]
Can you think of more tradeoffs?
None that arent viable.
[/quote]
Do you know what tradeoffs are? It has nothing to do with viable.
It has to do with identifying which choice you make based
on the primary goal of the project.
[quote]
You are too willing to dismiss thinking about tradeoffs.
Corse you never did anything like that yourself, eh ?
I was paid to think of all of them before the the first
paragraph of a specification or plan had been written.
You might not be alone on that.
This is called brainstorming.
Your is called wanking.
[/quote]
So far, all of your comments tend to be empty bits of nonsense.
[quote]
You seem to be compelled to skip this step completely.
You>re lying, again.
[/quote]
A classic response for somebody who knows he>s wrong.
[quote]
Is this because you are aware of some that makes your proposal not work at all?
Or it just might be that I have been involved in the construction
of that sort of thing and know damned well that it works fine.
In one example. What are you going to do when your power requirements[/quote]
double? Treble? Quadruple? What will you do when your infrastructure
breaks?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:45 am Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Peace in the Middle East! <anyemail@myisp.com> wrote
Most roofs don>t face the sun; those that do, don>t get enough sun to power a lightbulb year round.
Spoken like a true man who knows absolutely nothing about existing solar energy, and alternative technologies
.... educate yourself, please!
Spoken like an arm waving idiot with blinders to the realities of life.
I concidered putting solar on my house.
The first thing I did was look at the available roof area that faces the sun without obstruction.
It is slightly more than a square meter in area, not enough to provide squat in terms of energy.
Doesnt qualify as MOST ROOFS.
Backpeddling, but nontheless, it is true for most roofs in my area.
In sunny, warm parts of the country, i.e. those areas with solar
energy to be collected in the first place, more houses are build with the long axis north-south than are built with
the long axis east-west.
The other way would cook everybody and everything that was in the house.
Nope.
Obviously, you have no idea what you>re talking about.
[/quote]
I have noticed a complete absense of cooked everybodys and everything in the house.
[quote]Do an experiment. Put a thermometer under the eaves of a roof that runs east and west. Make sure you put it on the
south side.
Record the temps.
[/quote]
Show me the cooked everybodys and everything in the house. |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rob Dekker wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power
24/7. It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7. All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
And doing that isnt going to be free.
That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.
There are also tradeoffs. What are will have to be given up if
you do collect your energy requirements from that fusion reactor?
Nothing much, some surface area, quite a bit of which is
currently unused, most obviously with roofs.
Most roofs don>t face the sun;
Thats just plain wrong.
Only 1/4 of my roof is on the south side.
Thats plenty for powering the house.
No, it>s not.
[/quote]
Yes it is.
[quote]A panel would be about 4>x10'. Do the math.
[/quote]
Let go of your dick and check what percentage of the roof most cover with panels.
[quote]And it>s shade by deciduous trees during the summer.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out
how to cut those trees down if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those trees.
[/quote]
You can shade it with the panels instead, fool.
[quote]I also gain some solar heat during the winter when the leaves are off the trees and the sun shines into the windows.
[/quote]
Its perfectly possible to have the eaves designed to let the sun in in winter
and not in summer. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
[quote]I rarely have to turn on the AC during the summer because I know how to use nature to keep the house cool.
[/quote]
Me too, and there are no trees on the sunny side of the house.
[quote]Or how to put the panels on other than the roof if thats what you prefer.
During the winter it tends to be covered in snow and ice.
Your problem. That isnt true for many.
You are wrong.
[/quote]
Nope.
[quote]That>s true for many in the US,
[/quote]
Nope, only some in the US.
[quote]and all in the Northeast.
[/quote]
Wrong again.
[quote]those that do, don>t get enough sun to power a lightbulb year round.
And that in spades.
I think you need to look out your windows a tad more.
Notice all the flat roofs which would not work?
Corse they work fine.
Flat roofs would collect solar energy?
[/quote]
The panels installed on those flat roofs do.
[quote]Why do you think the designs have the panels propped up on a slant?
[/quote]
Even you should be able to do that if someone was actually
stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
[quote]Think about dirt, smoke, fog, etc.
That just means you need more panel area.
See above.
[/quote]
Completely useless, as always with your shit.
[quote]There is no room for more panel area.
[/quote]
Wrong again.
[quote]When your power consumption increases, what are you going to do?
[/quote]
Dont let it increase.
[quote]Use your neighbor>s acreage?
[/quote]
Use other than the roof, stupid.
[quote]What do you do if you live in an apartment house?
[/quote]
Move.
[quote]There are more tradeoffs.
Sure. But viable ones regardless.
You have yet to do any serious thinking.
You>re lying, as always. I considered all that when I build my house thanks.
And you are completely off the grid?
[/quote]
Nope, I>m not that stupid.
[quote]What are you going to do when your power consumption doubles?
[/quote]
I>m not stupid enough to let it double.
[quote]Can you think of more tradeoffs?
None that arent viable.
Do you know what tradeoffs are?
[/quote]
Yep.
[quote]It has nothing to do with viable.
[/quote]
Wrong, as always.
[quote]It has to do with identifying which choice you make based on the primary goal of the project.
[/quote]
It has to do with using the tradeoffs that are viable.
[quote]You are too willing to dismiss thinking about tradeoffs.
Corse you never did anything like that yourself, eh ?
I was paid to think of all of them before the the first
paragraph of a specification or plan had been written.
You might not be alone on that.
This is called brainstorming.
Yours is called wanking.
So far, all of your comments tend to be empty bits of nonsense.
[/quote]
Yours in spades.
[quote]You seem to be compelled to skip this step completely.
You>re lying, again.
A classic response for somebody who knows he>s wrong.
[/quote]
You>re lying, again.
[quote]Is this because you are aware of some that makes your proposal not work at all?
Or it just might be that I have been involved in the construction
of that sort of thing and know damned well that it works fine.
In one example. What are you going to do when your power requirements double? Treble? Quadruple?
[/quote]
I>m not stupid enough to let it do that.
[quote]What will you do when your infrastructure breaks?
[/quote]
Repair it. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
And design it so it doesnt break. |
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jmfbahciv
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rob Dekker wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power
24/7. It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7. All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
And doing that isnt going to be free.
That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.
There are also tradeoffs. What are will have to be given up if
you do collect your energy requirements from that fusion reactor?
Nothing much, some surface area, quite a bit of which is
currently unused, most obviously with roofs.
Most roofs don>t face the sun;
Thats just plain wrong.
Only 1/4 of my roof is on the south side.
Thats plenty for powering the house.
No, it>s not.
Yes it is.
[/quote]
Not in the Northeast US. Consider a blizzard lasting 2 days with 3
feet of snow on everything. Heating by solar panel will not work.
[quote]
A panel would be about 4>x10'. Do the math.
Let go of your dick and check what percentage of the roof most cover with panels.
[/quote]
I gave you an overestimate of the size of my roof on the south side.
You obviously have a learning, and reading, handicap.
[quote]
And it>s shade by deciduous trees during the summer.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out
how to cut those trees down if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those trees.
You can shade it with the panels instead, fool.
[/quote]
Not the side of the house.
[quote]
I also gain some solar heat during the winter when the leaves are off the trees and the sun shines into the windows.
Its perfectly possible to have the eaves designed to let the sun in in winter
and not in summer. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
[/quote]
I have those eaves.
[quote]
I rarely have to turn on the AC during the summer because I know how to use nature to keep the house cool.
Me too, and there are no trees on the sunny side of the house.
[/quote]
Then it>s not very hot where you live.
<snip>
[quote]When your power consumption increases, what are you going to do?
Dont let it increase.
[/quote]
You have kept your power usage a constant for the last 10 years?
<snip>
[quote]You have yet to do any serious thinking.
You>re lying, as always. I considered all that when I build my house thanks.
And you are completely off the grid?
Nope, I>m not that stupid.
[/quote]
Then you are not self-sufficient w.r.t. your power usage. So much
for anything you>ve claimed in this thread.
<snip>
[quote]What will you do when your infrastructure breaks?
Repair it. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
[/quote]
You know how to manufacture solar panels?
[quote]
And design it so it doesnt break.
[/quote]
You also have no mechanical knowledge nor do you have, even a flimsy,
grasp of reality.
/BAH
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rob Dekker wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power
24/7. It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7. All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
And doing that isnt going to be free.
That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.
There are also tradeoffs. What are will have to be given up if you do collect your energy requirements from
that fusion reactor?
Nothing much, some surface area, quite a bit of which is currently unused, most obviously with roofs.
Most roofs don>t face the sun;
Thats just plain wrong.
Only 1/4 of my roof is on the south side.
Thats plenty for powering the house.
No, it>s not.
Yes it is.
Not in the Northeast US.
[/quote]
Wrong again. And there isnt just the roof anyway. Its perfectly possible to
have the panels on other than the roof when the roof is unsuitable, stupid.
[quote]Consider a blizzard lasting 2 days with 3 feet of snow on everything. Heating by solar panel will not work.
[/quote]
Wrong again with adequate insulation.
[quote]A panel would be about 4>x10'. Do the math.
Let go of your dick and check what percentage of the roof most cover with panels.
I gave you an overestimate of the size of my roof on the south side.
[/quote]
Your roof is completely irrelevant. Even someone as stupid as
you should be able to grasp that other than the roof can be
used when a particular roof is unsuitable for whatever reason.
And in the ultimate a particular roof can be replaced by a more suitable roof when that is necessary too.
[quote]And it>s shade by deciduous trees during the summer.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out
how to cut those trees down if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those trees.
You can shade it with the panels instead, fool.
Not the side of the house.
[/quote]
So you replace the current trees with trees that shade only the side of the
house and not the roof. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
[quote]I also gain some solar heat during the winter when the leaves are off the trees and the sun shines into the windows.
Its perfectly possible to have the eaves designed to let the sun in in winter and not in summer. Not a shred of
rocket science whatever required.
I have those eaves.
[/quote]
Then you dont need the trees, stupid.
[quote]I rarely have to turn on the AC during the summer because I know how to use nature to keep the house cool.
Me too, and there are no trees on the sunny side of the house.
Then it>s not very hot where you live.
[/quote]
Guess which pathetic little prat just got egg all over its pathetic little face, yet again ?
Try 10 days over 110F not uncommon, fool.
[quote]When your power consumption increases, what are you going to do?
Dont let it increase.
You have kept your power usage a constant for the last 10 years?
[/quote]
Yep, in fact its gone down.
[quote]You have yet to do any serious thinking.
You>re lying, as always. I considered all that when I build my house thanks.
And you are completely off the grid?
Nope, I>m not that stupid.
Then you are not self-sufficient w.r.t. your power usage.
[/quote]
You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fuckwits ?
[quote]So much for anything you>ve claimed in this thread.
[/quote]
Never ever said a word about being completely off the grid, fool.
[quote]What will you do when your infrastructure breaks?
Repair it. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
You know how to manufacture solar panels?
[/quote]
Replace those that get damaged, fool.
[quote]And design it so it doesnt break.
You also have no mechanical knowledge
[/quote]
Is that right ? Could have SWORN I designed and built my house myself
and havent had any problems with it not being designed to not break.
[quote]nor do you have, even a flimsy, grasp of reality.
[/quote]
Is that right ? Could have SWORN I designed and built my house myself and it works fine solar wise.
And have been employed on much bigger solar projects too.
Keep desperately digging, you>ll be out in china any day now. |
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jmfbahciv
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[/quote]
<snip mess>
[quote]Yes it is.
Not in the Northeast US.
Wrong again. And there isnt just the roof anyway. Its perfectly possible to
have the panels on other than the roof when the roof is unsuitable, stupid.
[/quote]
See below.
[quote]
Consider a blizzard lasting 2 days with 3 feet of snow on everything.
Heating by solar panel will not work.
Wrong again with adequate insulation.
[/quote]
Sigh! How do you clear the snow and ice from the panels? with a snow
shovel? If the panels are on a roof, do you honestly believe that
people should climb up and clear those panels? If the panel setup
is on the ground, how do you clear away 3 feet of snow and ice?
Does one sprinkle the panels with NaCl?
The US Northeast can survive without AC but not without heating
in the winter.
[quote]
snip[/quote]
[quote]I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those trees.
You can shade it with the panels instead, fool.
Not the side of the house.
So you replace the current trees with trees that shade only the side of the
house and not the roof. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
[/quote]
You keep spending money to solve these problems.
<snip>
[quote]When your power consumption increases, what are you going to do?
Dont let it increase.
You have kept your power usage a constant for the last 10 years?
Yep, in fact its gone down.
[/quote]
<snip>
So has mine. But it will be going up.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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In sci.physics jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
[quote]Rod Speed wrote:
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
snip mess
[/quote]
[quote]Yes it is.
Not in the Northeast US.
Wrong again. And there isnt just the roof anyway. Its perfectly possible to
have the panels on other than the roof when the roof is unsuitable, stupid.
See below.
Consider a blizzard lasting 2 days with 3 feet of snow on everything.
Heating by solar panel will not work.
Wrong again with adequate insulation.
Sigh! How do you clear the snow and ice from the panels? with a snow
shovel? If the panels are on a roof, do you honestly believe that
people should climb up and clear those panels? If the panel setup
is on the ground, how do you clear away 3 feet of snow and ice?
Does one sprinkle the panels with NaCl?
The US Northeast can survive without AC but not without heating
in the winter.
snip
[/quote]
[quote]I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those trees.
You can shade it with the panels instead, fool.
Not the side of the house.
So you replace the current trees with trees that shade only the side of the
house and not the roof. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
You keep spending money to solve these problems.
[/quote]
My guess is that if you used the terms "ROI" and "cost of money" on him
you would be met with blank silence.
He obviously has no idea what the words "possible", "practical", and
"economical" mean.
Everything he says is possible, little of it is practical, and none of
it is economical.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
[quote]In sci.physics jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
snip mess
Yes it is.
Not in the Northeast US.
Wrong again. And there isnt just the roof anyway. Its perfectly
possible to have the panels on other than the roof when the roof is
unsuitable, stupid. See below.
Consider a blizzard lasting 2 days with 3 feet of snow on
everything.
Heating by solar panel will not work.
Wrong again with adequate insulation.
Sigh! How do you clear the snow and ice from the panels? with a
snow shovel? If the panels are on a roof, do you honestly believe
that people should climb up and clear those panels? If the panel
setup
is on the ground, how do you clear away 3 feet of snow and ice?
Does one sprinkle the panels with NaCl?
The US Northeast can survive without AC but not without heating
in the winter.
snip
I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those
trees.
You can shade it with the panels instead, fool.
Not the side of the house.
So you replace the current trees with trees that shade only the
side of the house and not the roof. Not a shred of rocket science
whatever required.
You keep spending money to solve these problems.
My guess is that if you used the terms "ROI" and "cost of money" on
him you would be met with blank silence.
[/quote]
Guess again. Even someone as stupid as you should be able to use groups.google
and discover I have rubbed stupid clowns noses in those time after time after time.
[quote]He obviously has no idea what the words "possible", "practical", and "economical" mean.
[/quote]
You>re lying now. I have repeatedly said that solar power makes no sense when the grid is available.
[quote]Everything he says is possible, little of it is practical, and none of it is economical.
[/quote]
Which is what I said when I said that solar power makes no sense when the grid is available, fuckwit. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rob Dekker wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jim is wrong : energy is cheap. In fact, it>s FREE :
I know a fusion reactor which produces 3E26 Watt of power
24/7. It radiates 174 PetaWatt of energy onto our planet 24/7. All for FREE.
The trick is to collect it and apply it the way we want it.
And doing that isnt going to be free.
That>s right. And it ain>t gonna be cheap either.
There are also tradeoffs. What are will have to be given up if you do collect your energy requirements from
that fusion reactor?
Nothing much, some surface area, quite a bit of which is currently unused, most obviously with roofs.
Most roofs don>t face the sun;
Thats just plain wrong.
Only 1/4 of my roof is on the south side.
Thats plenty for powering the house.
No, it>s not.
Yes it is.
Yes it is.
Not in the Northeast US.
Wrong again. And there isnt just the roof anyway. Its perfectly possible to have the panels on other than the roof
when the roof is unsuitable, stupid.
See below.
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Completely useless, as always with your mindless shit/lies.
[quote]Consider a blizzard lasting 2 days with 3 feet of snow on everything. Heating by solar panel will not work.
Wrong again with adequate insulation.
Sigh!
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Heavy breathing aint gunna save your bacon, wanker.
[quote]How do you clear the snow and ice from the panels?
[/quote]
You design them so they dont collect it in the first place, fool.
[quote]with a snow shovel? If the panels are on a roof, do you honestly believe that people should climb up and clear those
panels?
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You design them so they dont collect it in the first place, fool.
And if you>re too stupid to do that, it might just be a
good idea to not put THOSE panels on the roof, fool.
[quote]If the panel setup is on the ground, how do you clear away 3 feet of snow and ice?
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You design them so they dont collect it in the first place, foo.
[quote]Does one sprinkle the panels with NaCl?
The US Northeast can survive without AC but not without heating in the winter.
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Its completely trivial to insulate it well enough so that it can survive a blizzard of that length, fool.
[quote]I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those trees.
You can shade it with the panels instead, fool.
Not the side of the house.
So you replace the current trees with trees that shade only the side of the house and not the roof. Not a shred of
rocket science whatever required.
You keep spending money to solve these problems.
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No one said that solar is free, fool.
[quote]When your power consumption increases, what are you going to do?
Dont let it increase.
You have kept your power usage a constant for the last 10 years?
Yep, in fact its gone down.
So has mine. But it will be going up.
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More fool you. Mine wont. It will go down even more as the
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In sci.physics Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
snip mess
Yes it is.
Not in the Northeast US.
Wrong again. And there isnt just the roof anyway. Its perfectly
possible to have the panels on other than the roof when the roof is
unsuitable, stupid. See below.
Consider a blizzard lasting 2 days with 3 feet of snow on
everything.
Heating by solar panel will not work.
Wrong again with adequate insulation.
Sigh! How do you clear the snow and ice from the panels? with a
snow shovel? If the panels are on a roof, do you honestly believe
that people should climb up and clear those panels? If the panel
setup
is on the ground, how do you clear away 3 feet of snow and ice?
Does one sprinkle the panels with NaCl?
The US Northeast can survive without AC but not without heating
in the winter.
snip
I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those
trees.
You can shade it with the panels instead, fool.
Not the side of the house.
So you replace the current trees with trees that shade only the
side of the house and not the roof. Not a shred of rocket science
whatever required.
You keep spending money to solve these problems.
My guess is that if you used the terms "ROI" and "cost of money" on
him you would be met with blank silence.
Guess again. Even someone as stupid as you should be able to use groups.google
and discover I have rubbed stupid clowns noses in those time after time after time.
He obviously has no idea what the words "possible", "practical", and "economical" mean.
You>re lying now. I have repeatedly said that solar power makes no sense when the grid is available.
Everything he says is possible, little of it is practical, and none of it is economical.
Which is what I said when I said that solar power makes no sense when the grid is available, fuckwit.
[/quote]
So now you are saying all that ranting about modifying roofs, installing
special supports, cutting down trees, moving to a different house with
a south facing roof, ad nauseum only applies if electrical service is not
available?
What IS your point if you actually have a point in one sentence?
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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
[quote]Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Yes it is.
Not in the Northeast US.
Wrong again. And there isnt just the roof anyway. Its perfectly
possible to have the panels on other than the roof when the roof
is unsuitable, stupid. See below.
Consider a blizzard lasting 2 days with 3 feet of snow on everything.
Heating by solar panel will not work.
Wrong again with adequate insulation.
Sigh! How do you clear the snow and ice from the panels? with a
snow shovel? If the panels are on a roof, do you honestly believe
that people should climb up and clear those panels? If the panel
setup is on the ground, how do you clear away 3 feet of snow and ice?
Does one sprinkle the panels with NaCl?
The US Northeast can survive without AC but not without heating in the winter.
[/quote]
Wrong, as always.
[quote]I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those trees.
You can shade it with the panels instead, fool.
Not the side of the house.
So you replace the current trees with trees that shade only the
side of the house and not the roof. Not a shred of rocket science
whatever required.
You keep spending money to solve these problems.
My guess is that if you used the terms "ROI" and "cost
of money" on him you would be met with blank silence.
Guess again. Even someone as stupid as you should be able to use groups.google
and discover I have rubbed stupid clowns noses in those time after time after time.
He obviously has no idea what the words "possible", "practical", and "economical" mean.
You>re lying now. I have repeatedly said that solar power makes no sense when the grid is available.
Everything he says is possible, little of it is practical, and none of it is economical.
Which is what I said when I said that solar power makes no sense when the grid is available, fuckwit.
So now you are saying all that ranting about modifying
roofs, installing special supports, cutting down trees,
moving to a different house with a south facing roof,
ad nauseum only applies if electrical service is not available?
[/quote]
Nope. I am saying that *IF* you choose to go solar for whatever
reason, his stupid pig ignorant claims are just plain wrong.
And yes, even in the US Northeast, there are some places that dont have the grid available.
Canada in spades.
[quote]What IS your point if you actually have a point in one sentence?
[/quote]
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Why no (new) drilling in the US? |
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In sci.physics Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Yes it is.
Not in the Northeast US.
Wrong again. And there isnt just the roof anyway. Its perfectly
possible to have the panels on other than the roof when the roof
is unsuitable, stupid. See below.
Consider a blizzard lasting 2 days with 3 feet of snow on everything.
Heating by solar panel will not work.
Wrong again with adequate insulation.
Sigh! How do you clear the snow and ice from the panels? with a
snow shovel? If the panels are on a roof, do you honestly believe
that people should climb up and clear those panels? If the panel
setup is on the ground, how do you clear away 3 feet of snow and ice?
Does one sprinkle the panels with NaCl?
The US Northeast can survive without AC but not without heating in the winter.
Wrong, as always.
I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those trees.
You can shade it with the panels instead, fool.
Not the side of the house.
So you replace the current trees with trees that shade only the
side of the house and not the roof. Not a shred of rocket science
whatever required.
You keep spending money to solve these problems.
My guess is that if you used the terms "ROI" and "cost
of money" on him you would be met with blank silence.
Guess again. Even someone as stupid as you should be able to use groups.google
and discover I have rubbed stupid clowns noses in those time after time after time.
He obviously has no idea what the words "possible", "practical", and "economical" mean.
You>re lying now. I have repeatedly said that solar power makes no sense when the grid is available.
Everything he says is possible, little of it is practical, and none of it is economical.
Which is what I said when I said that solar power makes no sense when the grid is available, fuckwit.
So now you are saying all that ranting about modifying
roofs, installing special supports, cutting down trees,
moving to a different house with a south facing roof,
ad nauseum only applies if electrical service is not available?
Nope. I am saying that *IF* you choose to go solar for whatever
reason, his stupid pig ignorant claims are just plain wrong.
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Who is this "his" you are referring to?
You>ve been responding to a woman, which are referred to as "her", by
most people.
If you can>t distinguish the difference between "his" and "her", it
is no wonder your responses appear random and incoherent.
In terms of what is practical, all HER claims are valid.
In terms of arm waving ranting with no regard to economics or practicality,
all your claims are possible but no one in their right mind would concider
most of them under any circumstances.
From all your name calling and your childish propensity to call people
liers at the drop of a hat, one would think you have some huge emotional
investment in the topic and are terrified there may be some problems
with the decisions you have made.
Why don>t you take your rant to sci.psychology.psychotherapy and see
if you get better results from your postings?
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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
[quote]Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote
Yes it is.
Not in the Northeast US.
Wrong again. And there isnt just the roof anyway. Its perfectly
possible to have the panels on other than the roof when the roof
is unsuitable, stupid. See below.
Consider a blizzard lasting 2 days with 3 feet of snow on
everything. Heating by solar panel will not work.
Wrong again with adequate insulation.
Sigh! How do you clear the snow and ice from the panels? with a
snow shovel? If the panels are on a roof, do you honestly believe
that people should climb up and clear those panels? If the panel setup
is on the ground, how do you clear away 3 feet of snow and ice?
Does one sprinkle the panels with NaCl?
The US Northeast can survive without AC but not without heating in the winter.
Wrong, as always.
I keep the house cool during the summer using the shade of those trees.
You can shade it with the panels instead, fool.
Not the side of the house.
So you replace the current trees with trees that shade only the
side of the house and not the roof. Not a shred of rocket
science whatever required.
You keep spending money to solve these problems.
My guess is that if you used the terms "ROI" and "cost
of money" on him you would be met with blank silence.
Guess again. Even someone as stupid as you should be able to use groups.google
and discover I have rubbed stupid clowns noses in those time after time after time.
He obviously has no idea what the words "possible", "practical", and "economical" mean.
You>re lying now. I have repeatedly said that solar
power makes no sense when the grid is available.
Everything he says is possible, little of it is practical, and none of it is economical.
Which is what I said when I said that solar power makes no sense when the grid is available, fuckwit.
So now you are saying all that ranting about modifying
roofs, installing special supports, cutting down trees,
moving to a different house with a south facing roof,
ad nauseum only applies if electrical service is not available?
Nope. I am saying that *IF* you choose to go solar for whatever
reason, his stupid pig ignorant claims are just plain wrong.
Who is this "his" you are referring to?
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The other fool in this thread.
[quote]You>ve been responding to a woman, which are referred to as "her", by most people.
[/quote]
She>s too stupid to use her real name ? Her problem.
[quote]If you can>t distinguish the difference between "his" and "her",
it is no wonder your responses appear random and incoherent.
[/quote]
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
[quote]In terms of what is practical, all HER claims are valid.
[/quote]
Wrong, as always. Its perfectly routine to deal with a particular
house that doesnt have enough roof area with the right orientation.
Its trivial to ensure that snow and ice arent a problem.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp that even
just an array thats designed to rotate so that the active surface
is facing downwards when its snowing etc will do that fine.
Doesnt even need anyone to leave the house if its designed right.
[quote]In terms of arm waving ranting with no regard to economics or practicality,
[/quote]
You>re the only one doing any mindless arm waving, fuckwit.
[quote]all your claims are possible but no one in their right mind
would concider most of them under any circumstances.
[/quote]
Wrong again. They make a lot of sense if a connection to the grid isnt feasible or economic.
[quote]From all your name calling
[/quote]
Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?
[quote]and your childish propensity to call people liers at the drop of a hat,
[/quote]
You>re lying, again.
If you lie about what I have said, you can be quite confident that I will point that out, liar.
You get to like that or lump it, liar.
[quote]one would think you have some huge emotional investment in the topic
[/quote]
Only a terminal fuckwit such as yourself would actually be that stupid.
[quote]and are terrified there may be some problems with the decisions you have made.
[/quote]
Tad unlikely since I am on the grid and havent been stupid enough to bother with solar power, fuckwit.
[quote]Why don>t you take your rant to sci.psychology.psychotherapy
and see if you get better results from your postings?
[/quote]
Why dont you shove your head up a dead bear>s arse and retake Bullshitting 101 ? |
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In sci.physics Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
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[quote]Tad unlikely since I am on the grid and havent been stupid enough to bother with solar power, fuckwit.
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In language you may be able to understand; lier, lier, pants on fire.
Have you a clue where you are contradicting your earlier statements?
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