Science and Technology news... :: View topic

biject · Guest

I have long wondered what has happened to real science. It wasn>t
until I got to review papers for publication that I realized how far
gone the whole system is. What we need is a place where one can create
papers independent of Academia and the corrupt the political system
that has stifled real science. I know that in crypto one has little
chance of making a break through unless connected to the elites.
Which is why I went to compression but even here its impossible to get
papers for new things such as "a real bijective BWT". I worked in
government during the cold war I did not notice how corrupted science
was until the late 80>s but here is a paper that shows how some of
the corruption as occurred in the sciences. Its written by a guy at
MIT. Maybe there are still a few nonpolitical correct professors there
but they are a dying breed.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.3762.pdf

Not sure how I stumbled on this. I was tyring to find out what is
going on with the sun and why is NASA so full of it. When at one time
it was an honor to say I worked at NASA. Now its no honor.

David A. Scott
--
My Crypto code
http://bijective.dogma.net/crypto/scott19u.zip
http://www.jim.com/jamesd/Kong/scott19u.zip old version
My Compression code http://bijective.dogma.net/
**TO EMAIL ME drop the roman "five" **
Disclaimer:I am in no way responsible for any of the statements
made in the above text. For all I know I might be drugged.
As a famous person once said "any cryptograhic
system is only as strong as its weakest link"

Carl Taylor · Guest

biject wrote:
[quote]I have long wondered what has happened to real science. It wasn>t
until I got to review papers for publication that I realized how far
gone the whole system is. What we need is a place where one can create
papers independent of Academia and the corrupt the political system
that has stifled real science.
[/quote]
I know what you mean. Recently I read Lee Smolin>s book on string
theory, *The Trouble with Physics*, very depressing indeed. A whole
generation of young physicists with wasted careers. It>s become what
John Horgan in his book, *The End of Science*, called "the woo-woo
stuff". Wall Street, Washington D.C., and Academia -- bedfellows all.

Carl Taylor

Thomas Richter · Guest

biject wrote:
[quote]I have long wondered what has happened to real science. It wasn>t
until I got to review papers for publication that I realized how far
gone the whole system is.
[/quote]
Now, what would be the alternative? The problem is that there *are* many
more publications, much more than 100 years ago, not at least because
many more people got access to a scientific education than 100 years ago.

[quote]What we need is a place where one can create
papers independent of Academia and the corrupt the political system
that has stifled real science.
[/quote]
Look, that depends on the field, for example in mathematical physics,
you could publish on xxx.lanl.gov (the Los Alamos preprint server)
without review. But then, such a publication in itself isn>t worth a lot
since there hasn>t been any quality control. And quality control means
review. And review also means that you need to get a name by knowing
people, and get known. The latter is the sad part, but many good
journals follow a blind review process (i.e. author and institution
names are blinded out).

It also means that somehow you need to know what>s going on in your
research area, so yes, you have to read a lot, and you do have your
homework. It also means that you need to have an "angle" to shift the
research a little bit into the way you want to. (Mine is JPEG. I don>t
have a big bunch of influence, much less than many other people, but I
can also see that one can make a difference. It *just* takes a *long*
time, and a long and steady engagement. But that goes for *any* job you
want to do seriously.)

[quote]I know that in crypto one has little
chance of making a break through unless connected to the elites.
[/quote]
Well, either you *are* elite and can cook up something from scratch, or
at least you need to speak the language of the people working in the
field to make yourself understood.

[quote]Which is why I went to compression but even here its impossible to get
papers for new things such as "a real bijective BWT".
[/quote]
I don>t know how much you>ve written, and how much experience you have
in paper writing, but it is a long, stony road you must go to learn how
to write good papers. Read what you can find, think of *why* this
particular communication form has been chosen (yes, there is a reason),
go to conferences, and don>t underestimate the social events. (-;
Talk to people.

Good conferences on compression (Not *exactly* my field, but close
enough): DCC (The data compression conference, in Utah, highly
recommendable). It is hard to get a paper through, but that also means
that you have lots of good papers to read in return, and don>t be
disappointed if the first papers don>t make it. You need to learn.

[quote]I worked in
government during the cold war I did not notice how corrupted science
was until the late 80>s but here is a paper that shows how some ofa
the corruption as occurred in the sciences.
[/quote]
I don>t think you really know what you>re talking about. Nobody is
collecting money for getting a good review. Surely you>re disappointed
because some paper didn>t make it? Think a lot why that happened. Try to
take the reviewer seriously. Probably she or he has to say something,
and you can learn from it. Think about it - what are the alternatives?

[quote]Not sure how I stumbled on this. I was tyring to find out what is
going on with the sun and why is NASA so full of it. When at one time
it was an honor to say I worked at NASA. Now its no honor.
[/quote]
I don>t know. I never worked for the NASA. (-; I>m not a rocket
scientist, you know. (-;

So long,
Thomas

Antony Clements · Guest

"Carl Taylor" <carltaylor@att.net> wrote in message
news:PuNGk.63392$Mh5.37737@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
[quote]I know what you mean. Recently I read Lee Smolin>s book on string theory,
*The Trouble with Physics*, very depressing indeed. A whole generation of
young physicists with wasted careers. It>s become what John Horgan in his
book, *The End of Science*, called "the woo-woo stuff". Wall Street,
Washington D.C., and Academia -- bedfellows all.

Carl Taylor
[/quote]
it>s not so much that 'real' science has stopped... it>s that people dont
really do science for science sake anymore. it>s all motivated the dollar
signs, some areas of science have more cash funding than others therefore
the people doing the research get paid more. for example, in the US science
is motivated by three questions. 1) how will it benefit our countries
economy 2) how will it benefit our military 3) how will it benefit our
dominance in space. if there are good answers to either of those 3 questions
you are more likely to get funding than if you cant answer either of those
questions well.

Thomas Richter · Guest

Antony Clements wrote:
[quote]"Carl Taylor" <carltaylor@att.net> wrote in message
news:PuNGk.63392$Mh5.37737@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
I know what you mean. Recently I read Lee Smolin>s book on string theory,
*The Trouble with Physics*, very depressing indeed. A whole generation of
young physicists with wasted careers. It>s become what John Horgan in his
book, *The End of Science*, called "the woo-woo stuff". Wall Street,
Washington D.C., and Academia -- bedfellows all.

Carl Taylor

it>s not so much that 'real' science has stopped... it>s that people dont
really do science for science sake anymore. it>s all motivated the dollar
signs, some areas of science have more cash funding than others therefore
the people doing the research get paid more. for example, in the US science
is motivated by three questions. 1) how will it benefit our countries
economy 2) how will it benefit our military 3) how will it benefit our
dominance in space. if there are good answers to either of those 3 questions
you are more likely to get funding than if you cant answer either of those
questions well.
[/quote]
The short time question is rather "how is my department going to profit
from it". If you want to get a professorship, you need to bring in money
for the department, and if you don>t, you>re out. Same now also goes for
other states, not only the US, and there are also government programs
a department can apply for. In Europe, the European community also
offers funds for social affairs and research, and the German research
foundation (DFG) also offers (smaller) programs for research, so that>s
not at all "only military" etc.

You are no longer able to do "just research", you need to have sponsors
to do that. Whether that>s good or bad is disputable, it seems society
tries to identify the "value" of science by how well you are in
"marketing" your results - depending on your field, this is easier or
harder.

Unfortunately, the value of education you do as a professor is not
evaluated, which means that while your lectures might suck, you can
still get away with collecting money from industry. Sooner or later this
will have to change - it>s hard to do here in Germany where university
is mostly free (or at least a *lot* cheaper than in the US) so students
cannot really support good teachers by visiting their lectures and thus
allow good professors to collect some money this way. On the other hand,
I wouldn>t have been able to study with student fees myself, so I can
hardly argue for it.

I don>t have a good solution for this problem, but it>s a complex
problem to begin with. There>s no silver bullet.

So long,
Thomas

Fibonacci Code · Guest

On Oct 8, 1:29 am, biject <biject.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]I have long wondered what has happened to real science. It wasn>t
until I got to review papers for publication that I realized how far
gone the whole system is. What we need is a place where one can create
papers independent of Academia and the corrupt the political system
that has stifled real science. I know that in crypto one has little
chance of making a break through unless connected to the elites.
Which is why I went to compression but even here its impossible to get
papers for new things such as "a real bijective BWT". I worked in
government during the cold war I did not notice how corrupted science
was until the late 80>s but here is a paper that shows how some of
the corruption as occurred in the sciences. Its written by a guy at
MIT. Maybe there are still a few nonpolitical correct professors there
but they are a dying breed.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.3762.pdf

Not sure how I stumbled on this. I was tyring to find out what is
going on with the sun and why is NASA so full of it. When at one time
it was an honor to say I worked at NASA. Now its no honor.

David A. Scott
--
My Crypto codehttp://bijective.dogma.net/crypto/scott19u.ziphttp://www.jim.com/jamesd/Kong/scott19u.zipold version
My Compression codehttp://bijective.dogma.net/
**TO EMAIL ME drop the roman "five" **
Disclaimer:I am in no way responsible for any of the statements
made in the above text. For all I know I might be drugged.
As a famous person once said "any cryptograhic
system is only as strong as its weakest link"
[/quote]
If it is real, it can>t be stop !

Regard,
Fibonacci

WTShaw · Guest

On Oct 7, 12:29 pm, biject <biject.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote] I have long wondered what has happened to real science. It wasn>t
until I got to review papers for publication that I realized how far
gone the whole system is. What we need is a place where one can create
papers independent of Academia and the corrupt the political system
that has stifled real science....

I was tyring to find out what is
going on with the sun and why is NASA so full of it. When at one time
it was an honor to say I worked at NASA. Now its no honor.

Hi Dave![/quote]

Factors that affect honesty, transparency, and basic freedoms in
regard to groups depend on tradition, state of the times, and the
leaders of those groups. This is true of all of them. Of particular
interest for seekers of truth and discovery is anything that gets in
the way of the search knowledge.

Crypto has attractive handles all though it as it is an attractive and
powerful area that many covet and/or want to protect according to
their own motives and prejudices. Science has many such fields, and
law is much the same. Often, if you know the loopholes and push with
zeal at the weaknesses of the relative logic involved by the so-called
establishment, you can make progress in spite of any attempts at prior
restraint.

Unruh · Guest

"Antony Clements" <antony.clements@bigpond.com> writes:

[quote]"Carl Taylor" <carltaylor@att.net> wrote in message
news:PuNGk.63392$Mh5.37737@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
I know what you mean. Recently I read Lee Smolin>s book on string theory,
*The Trouble with Physics*, very depressing indeed. A whole generation of
young physicists with wasted careers. It>s become what John Horgan in his
book, *The End of Science*, called "the woo-woo stuff". Wall Street,
Washington D.C., and Academia -- bedfellows all.

Carl Taylor
[/quote]
Wasted careers? One of the features of physics is that what you learn in
field A can almost always be applied to field B. One of the hot topics in
"string theory" right now is the application of its techniques to nuclear
physics and superconductivity. And it is hardly surprizing that young
physicists want to be at the centre of the exciting happenings in science.
(Remember also tha Smolin is in a field in "competition" with string theory
as a theory of gravity. Neither has gotten terribly far, but arguably
string theory has gotten further.)

[quote]it>s not so much that 'real' science has stopped... it>s that people dont
really do science for science sake anymore. it>s all motivated the dollar
signs, some areas of science have more cash funding than others therefore
the people doing the research get paid more. for example, in the US science
is motivated by three questions. 1) how will it benefit our countries
economy 2) how will it benefit our military 3) how will it benefit our
dominance in space. if there are good answers to either of those 3 questions
you are more likely to get funding than if you cant answer either of those
questions well.
[/quote]
Hardly applicable to string theory, or loop quantum gravity.

Scott Fluhrer · Guest

"biject" <biject.bwts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:68cdc7b0-9a71-456e-aeed-a3dda79f593d@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
[quote]I have long wondered what has happened to real science. It wasn>t
until I got to review papers for publication that I realized how far
gone the whole system is. What we need is a place where one can create
papers independent of Academia and the corrupt the political system
that has stifled real science. I know that in crypto one has little
chance of making a break through unless connected to the elites.
[/quote]
Nope, in crypto, it>s actually surprisingly easy. All you need to do is
publish a break on an existing crypto system. While bigger (e.g. AES, 3DES,
SHA-2, RSA, DH, ECC) would be best, lesser systems (e.g. Twofish, RC4, RC6,
NTRU, AHS candidates) would still serve this purpose. And, there>s no
reason to restrict yourself to crypto primitives, cryptographical protocols
(e.g. TLS, sRTP, IPSec, SSH, WPA, WPA2) are also good candidates.

Look at the example of Ms. Wang; before she published her breaks on hash
functions, no one had heard of her. Now, she is considered one of the
elites in the crypto world.

Now, granted, finding a break in a crypto system (at least, one which lots
of other people have already examined) isn>t easy. However, it>s far from
impossible...

--
poncho

Unruh · Guest

"Scott Fluhrer" <sfluhrer@ix.netcom.com> writes:

[quote]"biject" <biject.bwts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:68cdc7b0-9a71-456e-aeed-a3dda79f593d@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
I have long wondered what has happened to real science. It wasn>t
until I got to review papers for publication that I realized how far
gone the whole system is. What we need is a place where one can create
papers independent of Academia and the corrupt the political system
that has stifled real science. I know that in crypto one has little
chance of making a break through unless connected to the elites.

Nope, in crypto, it>s actually surprisingly easy. All you need to do is
publish a break on an existing crypto system. While bigger (e.g. AES, 3DES,
SHA-2, RSA, DH, ECC) would be best, lesser systems (e.g. Twofish, RC4, RC6,
NTRU, AHS candidates) would still serve this purpose. And, there>s no
reason to restrict yourself to crypto primitives, cryptographical protocols
(e.g. TLS, sRTP, IPSec, SSH, WPA, WPA2) are also good candidates.

Look at the example of Ms. Wang; before she published her breaks on hash
functions, no one had heard of her. Now, she is considered one of the
elites in the crypto world.

Now, granted, finding a break in a crypto system (at least, one which lots
of other people have already examined) isn>t easy. However, it>s far from
impossible...
[/quote]
Ah yes, but I think what they mean is that if they post their crypto
system the whole world does not rush over to embrace them, but rather keeps
criticizing them and pointing out flaws.

biject · Guest

On Oct 9, 10:12 am, Unruh <unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca> wrote:
[quote]"Scott Fluhrer" <sfluh...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
"biject" <biject.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:68cdc7b0-9a71-456e-aeed-a3dda79f593d@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com....
I have long wondered what has happened to real science. It wasn>t
until I got to review papers for publication that I realized how far
gone the whole system is. What we need is a place where one can create
papers independent of Academia and the corrupt the political system
that has stifled real science. I know that in crypto one has little
chance of making a break through unless connected to the elites.
Nope, in crypto, it>s actually surprisingly easy. All you need to do is
publish a break on an existing crypto system. While bigger (e.g. AES, 3DES,
SHA-2, RSA, DH, ECC) would be best, lesser systems (e.g. Twofish, RC4, RC6,
NTRU, AHS candidates) would still serve this purpose. And, there>s no
reason to restrict yourself to crypto primitives, cryptographical protocols
(e.g. TLS, sRTP, IPSec, SSH, WPA, WPA2) are also good candidates.
Look at the example of Ms. Wang; before she published her breaks on hash
functions, no one had heard of her. Now, she is considered one of the
elites in the crypto world.
Now, granted, finding a break in a crypto system (at least, one which lots
of other people have already examined) isn>t easy. However, it>s far from
impossible...

Ah yes, but I think what they mean is that if they post their crypto
system the whole world does not rush over to embrace them, but rather keeps
criticizing them and pointing out flaws.
[/quote]
Actually that>s not what I meant since before when I worked for Sam
we did little crypto but work that was done no longer was judged on
merit. It was either blessed by people who had degree>s in English
or Social Studies and managing was no longer run by PhD scientist or
engineers. I see from the paper I quoted the same thing has occurred
in climate science where only the idiots who think global warming is
occurring when actually real data suggests that an ice age is more
likely in the near future. Honest scientists who suggest looking at
real facts like the cooling trend are mostly ignored. Just look at
NASA its only political correctness that counts. We have learned
nothing from our last few big accidents and it will look as stupid as
ever when the facts about the global warming scare eventually come
out as bunk. I am some what saddened to have been associated with
NASA. At one time it was a proud think know its an embarrassment.

However as an example in crypto. Just look at bijective bit padding.
You can>t get it on Wikpedia even though its excatly like the standard
bit padding except that some times its a block shorter and it is
bijective. But brain dead idiots can>t seem to understand simple math.

David A. Scott
--
My Crypto code
http://bijective.dogma.net/crypto/scott19u.zip
http://www.jim.com/jamesd/Kong/scott19u.zip old version
My Compression code http://bijective.dogma.net/
**TO EMAIL ME drop the roman "five" **
Disclaimer:I am in no way responsible for any of the statements
made in the above text. For all I know I might be drugged.
As a famous person once said "any cryptograhic
system is only as strong as its weakest link"

Sportman · Guest

biject wrote:
[quote]I have long wondered what has happened to real science.
[/quote]
Real science didn’t stopped but is made hidden.

As soon a hobbyist, student or scientist discover something what is
important and new or already known to hidden science but not known to
our science that person is moved to the hidden science and traces
removed.

There is no communication between the top science we know and the
hidden much more advanced science what’s under secret probably global
government control. They have their own physics books and our study
books are mostly "Middle Ages" science compared to it.

Because it’s extreme secret I don’t know much about it, only that
after or during the secret Manhattan Project in World War II Roosevelt
or Truman started a new much more secret project what was finished
somewhere between 1950-1954. After that Bilderberg Group and NASA
where founded and I think Bilderberg Group for control and NASA as
cover-up for the hidden science started in that secret project.

The question is why all this hidden science, there are many theories
and leaks one of the most weird ones is told by Dr. Dan Burisch still
working as secret scientist. If there is only some percentage right of
what he tell in his video interview http://projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch.html
then we shall notice it quick enough. If there come more proof that
the financial system is controlled collapsed it has maybe something to
do with it.

Thomas Richter · Guest

Sportman wrote:
[quote]biject wrote:
I have long wondered what has happened to real science.

Real science didn’t stopped but is made hidden.
[/quote]
??? Apparently, you never contributed to "real" science, because to make
a carrier in "real" science, you have to publish - which in return means
that the results *will* be available.

[quote]As soon a hobbyist, student or scientist discover something what is
important and new or already known to hidden science but not known to
our science that person is moved to the hidden science and traces
removed.
[/quote]
"How romantic", and what an utter nonsense. Please stay away with your
conspiracy theories, thank you. Otherwise, I can also prove you that
there is no city like Bielefeld - just a conspiracy of the German
government - or replace that by Pittsburgh in US if that matters for you...

So long,
Thomas

Thomas Richter · Guest

biject wrote:
[quote]
Ah yes, but I think what they mean is that if they post their crypto
system the whole world does not rush over to embrace them, but rather keeps
criticizing them and pointing out flaws.

Actually that>s not what I meant since before when I worked for Sam
we did little crypto but work that was done no longer was judged on
merit. It was either blessed by people who had degree>s in English
or Social Studies and managing was no longer run by PhD scientist or
engineers. I see from the paper I quoted the same thing has occurred
in climate science where only the idiots who think global warming is
occurring when actually real data suggests that an ice age is more
likely in the near future.
[/quote]
I question who>s really the idiot here in first place - with all
necessary respect, I somehow doubt you have really all the insight to
judge that.

[quote]Honest scientists who suggest looking at
real facts like the cooling trend are mostly ignored.
[/quote]
And what makes *you* think to know the "real" facts, i.e. what do you
think qualifies you in particular to know better than others? I>m not a
climate expert in first place, but somehow I think I>ve at least a
degree in physics as background and a list of papers I read on it to
come to an opinion. What did you do to come to your conclusion in return?

[quote]Just look at
NASA its only political correctness that counts. We have learned
nothing from our last few big accidents and it will look as stupid as
ever when the facts about the global warming scare eventually come
out as bunk. I am some what saddened to have been associated with
NASA. At one time it was a proud think know its an embarrassment.

However as an example in crypto. Just look at bijective bit padding.
You can>t get it on Wikpedia
[/quote]
By what means is that a qualification of "science"? If you want it
there, put it there - full stop. If you want to build a scientific
carreer on it, you should publish it and make it known to the right
people, and let them judge how worthful it is - don>t ask me, I>m not
working in that particular field.

[quote]even though its excatly like the standard
bit padding except that some times its a block shorter and it is
bijective. But brain dead idiots can>t seem to understand simple math.
[/quote]
Who are the "brain dead idiots" you>re talking about, in first place?
And how did you come to this conclusion?

So long,
Thomas

Antony Clements · Guest

"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
news:2yfHk.508$%%2.214@edtnps82...
[quote]it>s not so much that 'real' science has stopped... it>s that people dont
really do science for science sake anymore. it>s all motivated the dollar
signs, some areas of science have more cash funding than others therefore
the people doing the research get paid more. for example, in the US
science
is motivated by three questions. 1) how will it benefit our countries
economy 2) how will it benefit our military 3) how will it benefit our
dominance in space. if there are good answers to either of those 3
questions
you are more likely to get funding than if you cant answer either of those
questions well.

Hardly applicable to string theory, or loop quantum gravity.
[/quote]
i beg to differ, if either of these theories pan out, then the possability,
however remote and obscenely unlikely, is there that a soldier could point a
device at say a missile silo, and disrupt it>s inherant gravity on a quantum
scale, making said missile silo fall apart or collapse in on itself.


www.GetXFactor.com Leading Technology, Science, Agriculture News and information	Part of the Identityscape.com network... getxfactor.com jmoodmusic.com smartbusinesschoices.com mintdepot.com lowfaresalways.com evangelicalview.com shoppingpodder.com soproudlywehail.com webnews.ws currenthumor.com

Science and Technology news... Forum Index -> Compression Forum	Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4 Next
Page 1 of 4