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 Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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I can always claim I can>t unilaterally switch to natural gas because
the gummint hasn>t mandated fill up stations in my neighborhood. I
can>t afford a $4,000 Honda compressor to fill up at my household gas
line, etc.
But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank cars
and could easily switch to natural gas on their own if they believed
natural gas was cheaper than diesel in the long run.
Are the railroads planning to just skip the nat. gas interim solution
and go straight to electrified trains?
Bret Cahill |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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On Jul 27, 2:22 pm, BretCah...@peoplepc.com wrote:
[quote]I can always claim I can>t unilaterally switch to natural gas because
the gummint hasn>t mandated fill up stations in my neighborhood. I
can>t afford a $4,000 Honda compressor to fill up at my household gas
line, etc.
But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank cars
and could easily switch to natural gas on their own if they believed
natural gas was cheaper than diesel in the long run.
Are the railroads planning to just skip the nat. gas interim solution
and go straight to electrified trains?
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Because trains mostly work on government subsidy systems,
Which is why computers, lasers, robots, wind and solar energy grew
so quickly.
[quote]
Bret Cahill[/quote] |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote:
[quote]I can always claim I can>t unilaterally switch to natural gas because
the gummint hasn>t mandated fill up stations in my neighborhood.
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And no one will buy that claim.
[quote]I can>t afford a $4,000 Honda compressor to fill up at my household gas line, etc.
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Someone in your town can tho. Thats a pretty small part of the cost of a gas station.
[quote]But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank
cars and could easily switch to natural gas on their own if they
believed natural gas was cheaper than diesel in the long run.
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Yes, but they can also just pass on the higher cost of diesel to their customers too.
[quote]Are the railroads planning to just skip the nat. gas
interim solution and go straight to electrified trains?
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Some of them are. |
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Econotron
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:b128f987-4a90-4f0d-b442-21890d5a4e07@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
[quote]I can always claim I can>t unilaterally switch to natural gas because
the gummint hasn>t mandated fill up stations in my neighborhood. I
can>t afford a $4,000 Honda compressor to fill up at my household gas
line, etc.
But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank cars
and could easily switch to natural gas on their own if they believed
natural gas was cheaper than diesel in the long run.
Are the railroads planning to just skip the nat. gas interim solution
and go straight to electrified trains?
Natural gas reserves are also limited, and today it is the major source for[/quote]
home heating.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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[quote]I can always claim I can>t unilaterally switch to natural gas because
the gummint hasn>t mandated fill up stations in my neighborhood. �I
can>t afford a $4,000 Honda compressor to fill up at my household gas
line, etc.
But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank cars
and could easily switch to natural gas on their own if they believed
natural gas was cheaper than diesel in the long run.
Are the railroads planning to just skip the nat. gas interim solution
and go straight to electrified trains?
Bret Cahill
Because that is no solution, it might take a year to convert them all over.
You can>t natural gas you way out of this crisis.
[/quote]
Maybe the railroads are just poorly managed.
It>s not like they bother to maintain their track, rolling stock,
locomotovies or anything else.
Bret Cahill |
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Jake Horn
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:b128f987-4a90-4f0d-b442-21890d5a4e07@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
[quote]I can always claim I can>t unilaterally switch to natural gas because
the gummint hasn>t mandated fill up stations in my neighborhood. I
can>t afford a $4,000 Honda compressor to fill up at my household gas
line, etc.
But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank cars
and could easily switch to natural gas on their own if they believed
natural gas was cheaper than diesel in the long run.
Are the railroads planning to just skip the nat. gas interim solution
and go straight to electrified trains?
Bret Cahill
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Because that is no solution, it might take a year to convert them all over.
You can>t natural gas you way out of this crisis.
- Jake |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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Jake Horn <Jake.Horn.52@Gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:b128f987-4a90-4f0d-b442-21890d5a4e07@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
I can always claim I can>t unilaterally switch to natural gas because
the gummint hasn>t mandated fill up stations in my neighborhood. I
can>t afford a $4,000 Honda compressor to fill up at my household gas
line, etc.
But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank cars
and could easily switch to natural gas on their own if they believed
natural gas was cheaper than diesel in the long run.
Are the railroads planning to just skip the nat. gas interim solution
and go straight to electrified trains?
Because that is no solution, it might take a year to convert them all over.
[/quote]
Its just not practical to convert diesel engines.
[quote]You can>t natural gas you way out of this crisis.
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Corse you can. Use electricity from nukes to heat with and
use the CNG and LPG as a transport fuel in gasoline engines. |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote:
[quote]I can always claim I can>t unilaterally switch to natural gas
because the gummint hasn>t mandated fill up stations in my
neighborhood. ?I can>t afford a $4,000 Honda compressor to fill up
at my household gas line, etc.
But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank cars
and could easily switch to natural gas on their own if they believed
natural gas was cheaper than diesel in the long run.
Are the railroads planning to just skip the nat. gas interim
solution and go straight to electrified trains?
Bret Cahill
Because that is no solution, it might take a year to convert them
all over. You can>t natural gas you way out of this crisis.
Maybe the railroads are just poorly managed.
[/quote]
No maybe about the fact that you have never ever had a clue.
[quote]It>s not like they bother to maintain their track, rolling stock, locomotovies or anything else.
[/quote]
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a clue. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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[quote]Stop losing sleep over the "energy crisis," Cahill. It>s just another
Chicken Little story.
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Libertaria is breaking out!
Bret Cahill |
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Publius
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote in news:b128f987-4a90-4f0d-b442-21890d5a4e07
@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
[quote]I can always claim I can>t unilaterally switch to natural gas because
the gummint hasn>t mandated fill up stations in my neighborhood. I
can>t afford a $4,000 Honda compressor to fill up at my household gas
line, etc.
But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank cars
and could easily switch to natural gas on their own if they believed
natural gas was cheaper than diesel in the long run.
Are the railroads planning to just skip the nat. gas interim solution
and go straight to electrified trains?
[/quote]
Stop losing sleep over the "energy crisis," Cahill. It>s just another
Chicken Little story.
Unless, of course, the gummint adopts it as its pretext-of-the-day for
accreting more power to itself, and commences to impose "solutions" which
derail the normal workings of the market. Then it could become a genuine
crisis. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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[quote]But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank cars
They do?
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You need to larn yerself on how to do some research.
Bret Cahill |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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[quote]I can always claim I can>t unilaterally switch to natural gas
because the gummint hasn>t mandated fill up stations in my
neighborhood. ?I can>t afford a $4,000 Honda compressor to fill up
at my household gas line, etc.
But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank cars
and could easily switch to natural gas on their own if they believed
natural gas was cheaper than diesel in the long run.
Are the railroads planning to just skip the nat. gas interim
solution and go straight to electrified trains?
Bret Cahill
Because that is no solution, it might take a year to convert them
all over. You can>t natural gas you way out of this crisis.
Maybe the railroads are just poorly managed.
No
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Pathetic.
Ain>t gonna happen.
No way.
Nope.
Bret Cahill |
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John
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote:
[quote]But the railroads have their own pipelines, tank farms and tank cars
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They do? It is my understanding that the RR owns cars and engines. The
contents belong to the customers. |
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John
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote:
[quote]It>s not like they bother to maintain their track, rolling stock,
locomotovies or anything else.
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I don>t know of any major railroad that uses locomotives. They haven>t
used pulsed mechanical power for a long time. You know that engines are
electric, correct? Diesel is used to power the engine>s generators.
As for maintenance, you are so utterly wrong it>s pathetic. Look at the
larger picture, the aggregate, and ignore your impressionistic glance at
a local situation - if there is one. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Why Aren>t Trains Switching To Natural Gas? |
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On Jul 27, 12:22 pm, BretCah...@peoplepc.com wrote:
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Are the railroads planning to just skip the nat. gas interim solution
and go straight to electrified trains?
Bret Cahill
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The trains were electrified a long time ago. In north america, the
cost-benefit analysis still has the generator powered by a diesel
engine and located on the train, but the motors driving the wheels are
electric (and have been since the fifties). In Europe, distances are
small enough that no rail line is too far from the grid, so they are
all grid powered. Therefore, in France, the vast majority of trains
are nuclear powered. |
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