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Sean O'Reilly Report · Guest

Do you remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from
its death throes?
He>s now 82 years old and has a new book, and here are some excerpts.

2007 "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?"

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Have-All-Leaders-Gone/dp/1416532471

And THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN OF OCTOBER 2008 - imagine
what he thinks now!!! <smile>

Lee Iacocca Says:

Am I the only guy in this country who>s fed up with what>s happening? Where
the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We>ve got a
gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we>ve
got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can>t even clean up after
a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of gett ing mad,
everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay
the course.'

Stay the course? You>ve got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned
'Titanic'. I>ll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums out!'

You might think I>m getting senile, that I>ve gone off my rocker, and maybe
I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country
anymore.

The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in
handcuffs. While we>re fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and
nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead
of asking hard questions. Tha t>s not the promise of the ' America ' my
parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I>ve had enough. How
about you?

I>ll go a step further. You can>t call yourself a patriot if you>re not
outraged. This is a fight I>m ready and willing to have. The Biggest 'C' is
Crisis! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C>s of leadership, crisis being the
first.)

Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It>s
easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send
someone else>s kids off to war when you>ve never seen a battlefield
yourself. It>s another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

On Septembe r 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time
in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A
hell of a mess so here>s where we stand. We>re immersed in a bloody war
with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We>re running the biggest
deficit in the history of the country. We>re losing the manufacturing edge
to Asia, while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health
care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent
energy policy. Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves.
The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry
out for leadership.

But when you look around, you>ve got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders
gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people
of c haracter, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be
a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us
take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We>ve spent
billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to
do is react to things that have already happened.

Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina.
Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the
hurricane or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in
the crucial hours after the storm.

Everyone>s hunkerin g down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn>t happen again.
Now, that>s just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure
out what you>re going to do the next time.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can
restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that
there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred toJapanese car
companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do
about it?

Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the
debit, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem.
The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at
our country and milking the middle class dry.

I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn>t elect you to sit on your
asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked
and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What iseverybody so
afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a
break. Why don>t you guys show some spine for a change?

Had Enough? Hey, I>m not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here.
I>m trying to light a fire.I>m speaking out because I have hope I believe in
America.

In my lifetime, I>ve had the privilege of living through some of America>s
greatest moments. I>ve also experienced some of our worst crises: the

'Great Depression,' 'World War II,' the 'Korean War,' the 'Kennedy
Assassination', the 'Vietnam War,' the 1970>s oil crisis, and the struggles
of recent years culminating with 9/11.

IfI>ve learned one thing, it>s this: 'you don>t get anywhere by standing on
the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it>s
building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all
have a role to play. That>s the challenge I>m raising in this book. It>s a
call to 'Action' for people who, like me, believe in America. It>s not too
late, but it>s getting pretty close.

So let>s shake off the crap and go to work. Let>s tell 'em all we>ve had
'enough',Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone you know and
care about..

It>s our coun try, folks, and it>s our future. Our future is at stake.

-- Lee Iacocca, Chairman of Nourish the Children initiative

------------------------------------------------------------

Watch your 'Thoughts', they become words.

Watch your 'Words', they become actions.

Watch your 'Actions', they become habits.

Watch your 'Habits', they become character.

Watch your 'Character', for it becomes your Destiny.'

'We are what we believe we are'

C.S. Lewis

--
*Sean O>Reilly Report*
Fair and Balanced and Free

Rod Speed · Guest

Sean O>Reilly Report <Relaxing@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote:

[quote]Do you remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from its death throes?
[/quote]
Yep.

[quote]He>s now 82 years old
[/quote]
And is clearly completely senile now.

[quote]and has a new book, and here are some excerpts.

2007 "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?"
http://www.amazon.com/Where-Have-All-Leaders-Gone/dp/1416532471

And THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN OF OCTOBER 2008 -
imagine what he thinks now!!! <smile

Lee Iacocca Says:

Am I the only guy in this country who>s fed up with what>s happening?
Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder.
We>ve got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff,
[/quote]
Didnt see you do anything different with the US car industry.

Funny that.

[quote]we>ve got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can>t even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid
car.
[/quote]
Your Chrysler couldnt either. Funny that.

[quote]But instead of gett ing mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay the course.'

Stay the course? You>ve got to be kidding. This is America, not the
damned 'Titanic'. I>ll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums out!'
[/quote]
They clearly did that with you.

[quote]You might think I>m getting senile,
[/quote]
Yep.

[quote]that I>ve gone off my rocker, and maybe I have.
[/quote]
No maybe about it.

[quote]But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.
[/quote]
A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself after what you did to Chrysler.

[quote]The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs.

While we>re fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do.
[/quote]
You clearly dont either. All you can do is howl.

[quote]And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions.
[/quote]
Thats all it ever does.

[quote]That>s not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I>ve had enough.
[/quote]
You>re always free to hang yourself any time you like.

[quote]How about you?
[/quote]
I>m doing fine.

[quote]I>ll go a step further. You can>t call yourself a patriot if you>re not outraged. This is a fight I>m ready and
willing to have.
[/quote]
Soorree, you>re WAY past your useby date.

[quote]The Biggest 'C' is Crisis! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C>s of leadership, crisis being the first.)
[/quote]
Yawn.

[quote]Leaders are made, not born.
[/quote]
Wrong.

[quote]Leadership is forged in times of crisis.
[/quote]
How odd that that didnt work with you.

[quote]It>s easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory.
Or send someone else>s kids off to war when you>ve never seen a battlefield yourself. It>s another thing to lead when
your world comes tumbling down.
[/quote]
Havent seen you do anything except talk.

[quote]On Septembe r 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history.
[/quote]
Utterly mindless silly stuff. The great depression and WW2 were a hell of a lot more important than that.

[quote]We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes.
[/quote]
Nope, we did fine.

[quote]A hell of a mess so here>s where we stand. We>re immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for
leaving.
[/quote]
You can plan all you like, wars dont work like that.

[quote]We>re running the biggest deficit in the history of the country.
[/quote]
Lie, it was just counted differently during WW2.

[quote]We>re losing the manufacturing edge to Asia,
[/quote]
Didnt see you doing anything about stopping that.

[quote]while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs.
[/quote]
Didnt see you doing anything about stopping that.

[quote]Gas prices are skyrocketing,
[/quote]
Not anymore.

[quote]and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy.
[/quote]
Because it aint even possible.

[quote]Our schools are in trouble.
[/quote]
Didnt see you doing anything about stopping that.

[quote]Our borders are like sieves.
[/quote]
Because the cost of the alternative makes no sense.

[quote]The middle class is being squeezed every which way.
[/quote]
And is still doing a hell of a lot better than it has ever done.

[quote]These are times that cry out for leadership.
[/quote]
Only for fools that havent noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of anyone>s arse.

[quote]But when you look around, you>ve got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders gone?'
[/quote]
We>ve noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of anyone>s arse.

[quote]Where are the curious, creative communicators?
[/quote]
All we>ve got is fools like you that just bay at the moon and dont have a damned thing to offer.

[quote]Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense?
[/quote]
We>ve noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of anyone>s arse.

[quote]I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.
[/quote]
Yep, that you>re WAY past your useby date.

[quote]Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than
making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo?
[/quote]
We havent seen a successful aircraft hijack since 9/11. Funny that.

[quote]We>ve spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and
all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.
[/quote]
It has ensured that we havent seen another anything like 9/11, even when
we have pissed off the fools that did that very comprehensively indeed
when we fucked over Iraq and Afghanistan very comprehesively indeed.

[quote]Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina.
[/quote]
We>ve noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of anyone>s arse.

[quote]Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane or demanding accountability for the
decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm.
[/quote]
Fools like that never do work out basic stuff like that.

[quote]Everyone>s hunkerin g down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn>t happen again. Now, that>s just crazy. Storms happen.
Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you>re going to do the next time.
[/quote]
Been there, done that.

Fools are stupid enough to 'live' where that sort of thing can happen ?

They get to wear the downsides when it does.

[quote]Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing.
[/quote]
Not even possible. The world>s moved on forever.

[quote]Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred toJapanese car companies?
[/quote]
Didnt see you stopping that from happening.

[quote]How did this happen,
[/quote]
The industry was stupid enough to go for fools like you.

[quote]and more important, what are we going to do about it?
[/quote]
There is nothing that can be done about it.

There never was either. Japan had no alternative but to do it much better.

America did other stuff like the PC, the net, google, ebay, paypal etc etc etc.

You get to like that or lump it.

[quote]Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debit,
[/quote]
Its not a major problem with the interest rates so low.

[quote]or solving the energy crisis,
[/quote]
Not even possible.

[quote]or managing the health care problem.
[/quote]
Eventually even the US will get a clue and do what every other modern first world country has done.

[quote]The silence is deafening.
[/quote]
Nope, there are plenty of fools like you baying that the moon.

Not a single solution to offer tho.

[quote]But these are the crises that are eating away at our country
[/quote]
Nope.

[quote]and milking the middle class dry.
[/quote]
Thats just plain wrong.

[quote]I have news for the gang in Congress.
[/quote]
They have news for you. You>re passed your useby date.

[quote]We didn>t elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and
our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity.
[/quote]
You can bay at the moon till you end up blue in the face if you like, no one is taking any notice of your senile
ravings.

[quote]What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don>t
you guys show some spine for a change?
[/quote]
How odd that you never did.

[quote]Had Enough?
[/quote]
Nope, we>re hoping you burst a blood vessel or sumfin.

[quote]Hey, I>m not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here.
[/quote]
Liar.

[quote]I>m trying to light a fire.
[/quote]
You failed there too.

[quote]I>m speaking out because I have hope I believe in America.
[/quote]
Fat lot of good that ever did.

[quote]In my lifetime, I>ve had the privilege of living through some of America>s greatest moments. I>ve also experienced
some of our worst crises: the 'Great Depression,' 'World War II,' the 'Korean War,' the 'Kennedy
Assassination', the 'Vietnam War,' the 1970>s oil crisis, and the
struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11.

IfI>ve learned one thing, it>s this: 'you don>t get anywhere by
standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action.
[/quote]
Thats all you>re doing.

[quote]Whether it>s building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play.
[/quote]
How odd that you didnt.

[quote]That>s the challenge I>m raising in this book. It>s a call to 'Action' for people who, like me, believe in America.
[/quote]
You clearly blew that too.

[quote]It>s not too late, but it>s getting pretty close.

So let>s shake off the crap and go to work. Let>s tell 'em all we>ve had 'enough',
Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone you know and care about..

It>s our country, folks, and it>s our future. Our future is at stake.
[/quote]
Everyone just yawned. Wonder why ?

[quote]-- Lee Iacocca, Chairman of Nourish the Children initiative
[/quote]
The problem is that they shovel too much shit into their mouths, stupid.

[quote]------------------------------------------------------------

Watch your 'Thoughts', they become words.

Watch your 'Words', they become actions.

Watch your 'Actions', they become habits.

Watch your 'Habits', they become character.

Watch your 'Character', for it becomes your Destiny.'
[/quote]
Wota wanker...

[quote]'We are what we believe we are'

C.S. Lewis
[/quote]
He>s dead.

Michael Coburn · Guest

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:30:48 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

[quote]Sean O>Reilly Report <Relaxing@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote:

Do you remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation
from its death throes?

Yep.
[/quote]
You can almost rate the quality of a post by the amount of virus
infections it attracts. And this one about Iacocca is a good example.
Lee Iacocca was a very smart man and obviously still is.

[quote]He>s now 82 years old

And is clearly completely senile now.

and has a new book, and here are some excerpts.

2007 "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?"
http://www.amazon.com/Where-Have-All-Leaders-Gone/dp/1416532471

And THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN OF OCTOBER 2008 -
imagine what he thinks now!!! <smile

Lee Iacocca Says:

Am I the only guy in this country who>s fed up with what>s happening?
Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder.
We>ve got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right
over a cliff,

Didnt see you do anything different with the US car industry.

Funny that.

we>ve got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can>t even
clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car.

Your Chrysler couldnt either. Funny that.

But instead of gett ing mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads
when the politicians say, 'Stay the course.'

Stay the course? You>ve got to be kidding. This is America, not the
damned 'Titanic'. I>ll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums
out!'

They clearly did that with you.

You might think I>m getting senile,

Yep.

that I>ve gone off my rocker, and maybe I have.

No maybe about it.

But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.

A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself after what
you did to Chrysler.

The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in
handcuffs.

While we>re fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody
seems to know what to do.

You clearly dont either. All you can do is howl.

And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions.

Thats all it ever does.

That>s not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled
across the ocean for. I>ve had enough.

You>re always free to hang yourself any time you like.

How about you?

I>m doing fine.

I>ll go a step further. You can>t call yourself a patriot if you>re
not outraged. This is a fight I>m ready and willing to have.

Soorree, you>re WAY past your useby date.

The Biggest 'C' is Crisis! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C>s of
leadership, crisis being the first.)

Yawn.

Leaders are made, not born.

Wrong.

Leadership is forged in times of crisis.

How odd that that didnt work with you.

It>s easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory.
Or send someone else>s kids off to war when you>ve never seen a
battlefield yourself. It>s another thing to lead when your world comes
tumbling down.

Havent seen you do anything except talk.

On Septembe r 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other
time in our history.

Utterly mindless silly stuff. The great depression and WW2 were a hell
of a lot more important than that.

We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes.

Nope, we did fine.

A hell of a mess so here>s where we stand. We>re immersed in a bloody
war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving.

You can plan all you like, wars dont work like that.

We>re running the biggest deficit in the history of the country.

Lie, it was just counted differently during WW2.

We>re losing the manufacturing edge to Asia,

Didnt see you doing anything about stopping that.

while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care
costs.

Didnt see you doing anything about stopping that.

Gas prices are skyrocketing,

Not anymore.

and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy.

Because it aint even possible.

Our schools are in trouble.

Didnt see you doing anything about stopping that.

Our borders are like sieves.

Because the cost of the alternative makes no sense.

The middle class is being squeezed every which way.

And is still doing a hell of a lot better than it has ever done.

These are times that cry out for leadership.

Only for fools that havent noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of
anyone>s arse.

But when you look around, you>ve got to ask: 'Where have all the
leaders gone?'

We>ve noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of anyone>s arse.

Where are the curious, creative communicators?

All we>ve got is fools like you that just bay at the moon and dont have
a damned thing to offer.

Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence,
and common sense?

We>ve noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of anyone>s arse.

I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

Yep, that you>re WAY past your useby date.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than
making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo?

We havent seen a successful aircraft hijack since 9/11. Funny that.

We>ve spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and
all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.

It has ensured that we havent seen another anything like 9/11, even when
we have pissed off the fools that did that very comprehensively indeed
when we fucked over Iraq and Afghanistan very comprehesively indeed.

Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina.

We>ve noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of anyone>s arse.

Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the
hurricane or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made
in the crucial hours after the storm.

Fools like that never do work out basic stuff like that.

Everyone>s hunkerin g down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn>t happen
again. Now, that>s just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a
plan. Figure out what you>re going to do the next time.

Been there, done that.

Fools are stupid enough to 'live' where that sort of thing can happen ?

They get to wear the downsides when it does.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can
restore our competitive edge in manufacturing.

Not even possible. The world>s moved on forever.

Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big
Three' referred toJapanese car companies?

Didnt see you stopping that from happening.

How did this happen,

The industry was stupid enough to go for fools like you.

and more important, what are we going to do about it?

There is nothing that can be done about it.

There never was either. Japan had no alternative but to do it much
better.

America did other stuff like the PC, the net, google, ebay, paypal etc
etc etc.

You get to like that or lump it.

Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down
the debit,

Its not a major problem with the interest rates so low.

or solving the energy crisis,

Not even possible.

or managing the health care problem.

Eventually even the US will get a clue and do what every other modern
first world country has done.

The silence is deafening.

Nope, there are plenty of fools like you baying that the moon.

Not a single solution to offer tho.

But these are the crises that are eating away at our country

Nope.

and milking the middle class dry.

Thats just plain wrong.

I have news for the gang in Congress.

They have news for you. You>re passed your useby date.

We didn>t elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain
silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being
replaced with mediocrity.

You can bay at the moon till you end up blue in the face if you like, no
one is taking any notice of your senile ravings.

What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will
call them a name? Give me a break. Why don>t you guys show some spine
for a change?

How odd that you never did.

Had Enough?

Nope, we>re hoping you burst a blood vessel or sumfin.

Hey, I>m not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here.

Liar.

I>m trying to light a fire.

You failed there too.

I>m speaking out because I have hope I believe in America.

Fat lot of good that ever did.

In my lifetime, I>ve had the privilege of living through some of
America>s greatest moments. I>ve also experienced some of our worst
crises: the 'Great Depression,' 'World War II,' the 'Korean War,' the
'Kennedy Assassination', the 'Vietnam War,' the 1970>s oil crisis, and
the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11.

IfI>ve learned one thing, it>s this: 'you don>t get anywhere by
standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action.

Thats all you>re doing.

Whether it>s building a better car or building a better future for our
children, we all have a role to play.

How odd that you didnt.

That>s the challenge I>m raising in this book. It>s a call to 'Action'
for people who, like me, believe in America.

You clearly blew that too.

It>s not too late, but it>s getting pretty close.

So let>s shake off the crap and go to work. Let>s tell 'em all we>ve
had 'enough', Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone
you know and care about..

It>s our country, folks, and it>s our future. Our future is at stake.

Everyone just yawned. Wonder why ?

-- Lee Iacocca, Chairman of Nourish the Children initiative

The problem is that they shovel too much shit into their mouths, stupid.

------------------------------------------------------------

Watch your 'Thoughts', they become words.

Watch your 'Words', they become actions.

Watch your 'Actions', they become habits.

Watch your 'Habits', they become character.

Watch your 'Character', for it becomes your Destiny.'

Wota wanker...

'We are what we believe we are'

C.S. Lewis

He>s dead.[/quote]

kevirwin · Guest

Without regard to anything Lee Iacocca said; specifically, is it your
assertion that The U.S. of A. is in an over-all better state (meaning
socially, economically, morally, or any other abstract or concrete
descriptor you’d like to compare) than say circa 1960???

I’m thinkin’ that if you ain’t noticed some loss of freedom, at the
very least, then maybe you weren’t around for the zenith of this
civilization (IMHO).

Just wonderin’,
K e v

(Damn, I just saw this was a cross-post; f ck, I hate them, hope these
guys aren’t as pedantic, arrogant, pompous, and condescending as the
stuffed-shirts in atheist and physics forums.)

Rod Speed · Guest

Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:30:48 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

Sean O>Reilly Report <Relaxing@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote:

Do you remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler
Corporation from its death throes?

Yep.

You can almost rate the quality of a post by the amount of virus
infections it attracts. And this one about Iacocca is a good example.

Lee Iacocca was a very smart man and obviously still is.
[/quote]
Have fun listing a damned thing he>s ever done lately except bay at the moon.

[quote]He>s now 82 years old

And is clearly completely senile now.

and has a new book, and here are some excerpts.

2007 "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?"
http://www.amazon.com/Where-Have-All-Leaders-Gone/dp/1416532471

And THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN OF OCTOBER 2008 -
imagine what he thinks now!!! <smile

Lee Iacocca Says:

Am I the only guy in this country who>s fed up with what>s
happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming
bloody murder. We>ve got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship
of state right over a cliff,

Didnt see you do anything different with the US car industry.

Funny that.

we>ve got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can>t even
clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car.

Your Chrysler couldnt either. Funny that.

But instead of gett ing mad, everyone sits around and nods their
heads when the politicians say, 'Stay the course.'

Stay the course? You>ve got to be kidding. This is America, not
the damned 'Titanic'. I>ll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the
bums out!'

They clearly did that with you.

You might think I>m getting senile,

Yep.

that I>ve gone off my rocker, and maybe I have.

No maybe about it.

But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country
anymore.

A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself after what
you did to Chrysler.

The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the
guys in handcuffs.

While we>re fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody
seems to know what to do.

You clearly dont either. All you can do is howl.

And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions.

Thats all it ever does.

That>s not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours
traveled across the ocean for. I>ve had enough.

You>re always free to hang yourself any time you like.

How about you?

I>m doing fine.

I>ll go a step further. You can>t call yourself a patriot if you>re
not outraged. This is a fight I>m ready and willing to have.

Soorree, you>re WAY past your useby date.

The Biggest 'C' is Crisis! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C>s of
leadership, crisis being the first.)

Yawn.

Leaders are made, not born.

Wrong.

Leadership is forged in times of crisis.

How odd that that didnt work with you.

It>s easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk
theory. Or send someone else>s kids off to war when you>ve never
seen a battlefield yourself. It>s another thing to lead when your
world comes tumbling down.

Havent seen you do anything except talk.

On Septembe r 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any
other time in our history.

Utterly mindless silly stuff. The great depression and WW2 were a
hell of a lot more important than that.

We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes.

Nope, we did fine.

A hell of a mess so here>s where we stand. We>re immersed in a
bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving.

You can plan all you like, wars dont work like that.

We>re running the biggest deficit in the history of the country.

Lie, it was just counted differently during WW2.

We>re losing the manufacturing edge to Asia,

Didnt see you doing anything about stopping that.

while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health
care costs.

Didnt see you doing anything about stopping that.

Gas prices are skyrocketing,

Not anymore.

and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy.

Because it aint even possible.

Our schools are in trouble.

Didnt see you doing anything about stopping that.

Our borders are like sieves.

Because the cost of the alternative makes no sense.

The middle class is being squeezed every which way.

And is still doing a hell of a lot better than it has ever done.

These are times that cry out for leadership.

Only for fools that havent noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of
anyone>s arse.

But when you look around, you>ve got to ask: 'Where have all the
leaders gone?'

We>ve noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of anyone>s arse.

Where are the curious, creative communicators?

All we>ve got is fools like you that just bay at the moon and dont
have a damned thing to offer.

Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence,
and common sense?

We>ve noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of anyone>s arse.

I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

Yep, that you>re WAY past your useby date.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than
making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo?

We havent seen a successful aircraft hijack since 9/11. Funny that.

We>ve spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and
all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.

It has ensured that we havent seen another anything like 9/11, even
when we have pissed off the fools that did that very comprehensively
indeed when we fucked over Iraq and Afghanistan very comprehesively
indeed.

Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina.

We>ve noticed that the sun doesnt shine out of anyone>s arse.

Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to
the hurricane or demanding accountability for the decisions that
were made in the crucial hours after the storm.

Fools like that never do work out basic stuff like that.

Everyone>s hunkerin g down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn>t
happen again. Now, that>s just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it.
Make a plan. Figure out what you>re going to do the next time.

Been there, done that.

Fools are stupid enough to 'live' where that sort of thing can
happen ?

They get to wear the downsides when it does.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we
can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing.

Not even possible. The world>s moved on forever.

Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The
Big Three' referred toJapanese car companies?

Didnt see you stopping that from happening.

How did this happen,

The industry was stupid enough to go for fools like you.

and more important, what are we going to do about it?

There is nothing that can be done about it.

There never was either. Japan had no alternative but to do it much
better.

America did other stuff like the PC, the net, google, ebay, paypal
etc etc etc.

You get to like that or lump it.

Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying
down the debit,

Its not a major problem with the interest rates so low.

or solving the energy crisis,

Not even possible.

or managing the health care problem.

Eventually even the US will get a clue and do what every other modern
first world country has done.

The silence is deafening.

Nope, there are plenty of fools like you baying that the moon.

Not a single solution to offer tho.

But these are the crises that are eating away at our country

Nope.

and milking the middle class dry.

Thats just plain wrong.

I have news for the gang in Congress.

They have news for you. You>re passed your useby date.

We didn>t elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain
silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is
being replaced with mediocrity.

You can bay at the moon till you end up blue in the face if you
like, no one is taking any notice of your senile ravings.

What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will
call them a name? Give me a break. Why don>t you guys show some
spine for a change?

How odd that you never did.

Had Enough?

Nope, we>re hoping you burst a blood vessel or sumfin.

Hey, I>m not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here.

Liar.

I>m trying to light a fire.

You failed there too.

I>m speaking out because I have hope I believe in America.

Fat lot of good that ever did.

In my lifetime, I>ve had the privilege of living through some of
America>s greatest moments. I>ve also experienced some of our worst
crises: the 'Great Depression,' 'World War II,' the 'Korean War,'
the 'Kennedy Assassination', the 'Vietnam War,' the 1970>s oil
crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11.

IfI>ve learned one thing, it>s this: 'you don>t get anywhere by
standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action.

Thats all you>re doing.

Whether it>s building a better car or building a better future for
our children, we all have a role to play.

How odd that you didnt.

That>s the challenge I>m raising in this book. It>s a call to
'Action' for people who, like me, believe in America.

You clearly blew that too.

It>s not too late, but it>s getting pretty close.

So let>s shake off the crap and go to work. Let>s tell 'em all we>ve
had 'enough', Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone
you know and care about..

It>s our country, folks, and it>s our future. Our future is at
stake.

Everyone just yawned. Wonder why ?

-- Lee Iacocca, Chairman of Nourish the Children initiative

The problem is that they shovel too much shit into their mouths,
stupid.

------------------------------------------------------------

Watch your 'Thoughts', they become words.

Watch your 'Words', they become actions.

Watch your 'Actions', they become habits.

Watch your 'Habits', they become character.

Watch your 'Character', for it becomes your Destiny.'

Wota wanker...

'We are what we believe we are'

C.S. Lewis

He>s dead.[/quote]

John J · Guest

kevirwin wrote:
[quote]Without regard to anything Lee Iacocca said; specifically, is it your
assertion that The U.S. of A. is in an over-all better state (meaning
socially, economically, morally, or any other abstract or concrete
descriptor you’d like to compare) than say circa 1960???
[/quote]
So to clarify, you are saying that you wish to disregard the content of
the post ("Without regard...")

Which strips the rest of your post to diverge to..

[quote]I’m thinkin’ that if you ain’t noticed some loss of freedom, at the
very least, then maybe you weren’t around for the zenith of this
civilization (IMHO).
[/quote]
Well, yah. The current administration has done it>s best to redefine
Freedom.

With respect, I think this deserves a separate thread.

jj

Rod Speed · Guest

kevirwin <kevirwin@comcast.net> wrote:

[quote]Without regard to anything Lee Iacocca said; specifically, is it your
assertion that The U.S. of A. is in an over-all better state (meaning
socially, economically, morally, or any other abstract or concrete
descriptor you’d like to compare) than say circa 1960???
[/quote]
Irrelevant to what that fool Iacocca was mindlessly raving on about.

Even if you claim things are worse now than then, and they arent,
he didnt propose a damned thing that would change anything.

In spades with the car industry. It produces much better cars than we had in the 60s.

[quote]I’m thinkin’ that if you ain’t noticed some loss of freedom, at the very least,
[/quote]
I>ve seen no loss of freedom what so ever. The most I have seen is a few sensible
precautions to make it much harder to hijack aircraft which have worked very well.

[quote]then maybe you weren’t around for the zenith of this civilization (IMHO).
[/quote]
Fraid I was. It had its own downsides, most obviously the Vietnam war that
killed a hell of a lot more americans than Iraq will ever do, and produced
a hell of lot more civil strife in the US than Iraq or 9/11 has done either.

zzbunker · Guest

On Nov 14, 11:15 pm, "Sean O>Reilly Report"
<Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote:
[quote]Do you remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from
its death throes?
He>s now 82 years old and has a new book, and here are some excerpts.

2007 "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?"

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Have-All-Leaders-Gone/dp/1416532471

And THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN OF OCTOBER 2008 - imagine
what he thinks now!!! <smile

Lee Iacocca Says:

Am I the only guy in this country who>s fed up with what>s happening? Where
the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We>ve got a
gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we>ve
got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can>t even clean up after
a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of gett ing mad,
everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay
the course.'

Stay the course? You>ve got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned
'Titanic'. I>ll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums out!'
[/quote]
Well, many of us with science, engineering, advanced technology,
medicine, and economics
brains, already did that, as people like Iaoccoa are often told.
That>s where the Adaptive A.I. C++, Elibraries, HDTV, CD+rw, DVD,
Holograms,
RISC Computers, Optical Computers, Fiber optics, GPS, All-In-One
printers, HTML, USB,
On-Line-Publishing, Post Ford Batteries, masers, Drones, AAVs,
AUVs,
laser-guided lasers, laser-guided bombs, PV Cells, Neo Wind Energy,
Neo Solar Energy, biodiesel, LCS, and Cruise Missiles,come from.
Since it doesn>t matter if this America or the Titanic anymore or
not.
Since the only thing they mostly even teach the idiots in any
schools anymore,
no matter the cirrciculum, is rivets.

[quote]
You might think I>m getting senile, that I>ve gone off my rocker, and maybe
I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country
anymore.

The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in
handcuffs. While we>re fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and
nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead
of asking hard questions. Tha t>s not the promise of the ' America ' my
parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I>ve had enough. How
about you?

I>ll go a step further. You can>t call yourself a patriot if you>re not
outraged. This is a fight I>m ready and willing to have. The Biggest 'C' is
Crisis! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C>s of leadership, crisis being the
first.)

Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It>s
easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send
someone else>s kids off to war when you>ve never seen a battlefield
yourself. It>s another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

On Septembe r 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time
in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A
hell of a mess so here>s where we stand. We>re immersed in a bloody war
with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We>re running the biggest
deficit in the history of the country. We>re losing the manufacturing edge
to Asia, while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health
care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent
energy policy. Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves.
The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry
out for leadership.

But when you look around, you>ve got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders
gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people
of c haracter, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be
a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us
take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We>ve spent
billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to
do is react to things that have already happened.

Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina.
Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the
hurricane or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in
the crucial hours after the storm.

Everyone>s hunkerin g down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn>t happen again.
Now, that>s just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan.. Figure
out what you>re going to do the next time.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can
restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that
there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred toJapanese car
companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do
about it?

Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the
debit, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem.
The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at
our country and milking the middle class dry.

I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn>t elect you to sit on your
asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked
and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What iseverybody so
afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a
break. Why don>t you guys show some spine for a change?

Had Enough? Hey, I>m not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here.
I>m trying to light a fire.I>m speaking out because I have hope I believe in
America.

In my lifetime, I>ve had the privilege of living through some of America>s
greatest moments. I>ve also experienced some of our worst crises: the

'Great Depression,' 'World War II,' the 'Korean War,' the 'Kennedy
Assassination', the 'Vietnam War,' the 1970>s oil crisis, and the struggles
of recent years culminating with 9/11.

IfI>ve learned one thing, it>s this: 'you don>t get anywhere by standing on
the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it>s
building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all
have a role to play. That>s the challenge I>m raising in this book. It>s a
call to 'Action' for people who, like me, believe in America. It>s not too
late, but it>s getting pretty close.

So let>s shake off the crap and go to work. Let>s tell 'em all we>ve had
'enough',Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone you know and
care about..

It>s our coun try, folks, and it>s our future. Our future is at stake.

-- Lee Iacocca, Chairman of Nourish the Children initiative

------------------------------------------------------------

Watch your 'Thoughts', they become words.

Watch your 'Words', they become actions.

Watch your 'Actions', they become habits.

Watch your 'Habits', they become character.

Watch your 'Character', for it becomes your Destiny.'

'We are what we believe we are'

C.S. Lewis

--
*Sean O>Reilly Report*
Fair and Balanced and Free[/quote]

Econotron · Guest

"zzbunker" <zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:f6df7a22-5e7a-48a0-ae6c-bb3b9bea0106@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 14, 11:15 pm, "Sean O>Reilly Report"
<Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote:
[quote]Do you remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from
its death throes?
He>s now 82 years old and has a new book, and here are some excerpts.

2007 "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?"

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Have-All-Leaders-Gone/dp/1416532471

And THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN OF OCTOBER 2008 -
imagine
what he thinks now!!! <smile

Lee Iacocca Says:

Am I the only guy in this country who>s fed up with what>s happening?
Where
the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We>ve got a
gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff,
we>ve
got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can>t even clean up
after
a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of gett ing mad,
everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay
the course.'

Stay the course? You>ve got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned
'Titanic'. I>ll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums out!'
[/quote]
Well, many of us with science, engineering, advanced technology,
medicine, and economics
brains, already did that, as people like Iaoccoa are often told.
That>s where the Adaptive A.I. C++, Elibraries, HDTV, CD+rw, DVD,
Holograms,
RISC Computers, Optical Computers, Fiber optics, GPS, All-In-One
printers, HTML, USB,
On-Line-Publishing, Post Ford Batteries, masers, Drones, AAVs,
AUVs,
laser-guided lasers, laser-guided bombs, PV Cells, Neo Wind Energy,
Neo Solar Energy, biodiesel, LCS, and Cruise Missiles,come from.
Since it doesn>t matter if this America or the Titanic anymore or
not.
Since the only thing they mostly even teach the idiots in any
schools anymore,
no matter the cirrciculum, is rivets.

[snip]

Already did what? What is your point?
e.

Econotron · Guest

"Sean O>Reilly Report" <Relaxing@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote in message
news:491e4cc5$0$4454$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
[quote]Do you remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from
its death throes?
He>s now 82 years old and has a new book, and here are some excerpts.

2007 "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?"

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Have-All-Leaders-Gone/dp/1416532471

And THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN OF OCTOBER 2008 -
imagine what he thinks now!!! <smile

Lee Iacocca Says:

[snip]

This is an old stuff. It is his hemorrhoids talking.[/quote]
e.

AZDuffman · Guest

On Nov 15, 3:25 am, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
..
[quote]
You can almost rate the quality of a post by the amount of virus
infections it attracts. And this one about Iacocca is a good example.
Lee Iacocca was a very smart man and obviously still is.

[/quote]
He was leader of an industry that just put the chrome in a different
spot and called it "all-new" while letting a 90% market share
(combined) fall to <50% today. He was also a crybaby about Japanese
car while selling their own captive Mitsubishis by the thousands.

He is a good salesman, I>ll give him little else.

Rod Speed · Guest

AZDuffman <srduffy1126@gmail.com> wrote
[quote]Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote

You can almost rate the quality of a post by the amount of virus
infections it attracts. And this one about Iacocca is a good example.
Lee Iacocca was a very smart man and obviously still is.

He was leader of an industry that just put the chrome in a different spot and
called it "all-new" while letting a 90% market share (combined) fall to <50% today.
[/quote]
Yes, but its distinctly arguable that anyone could ever have avoided that outcome.

While ever their costs were MUCH higher than the Japs, they were doomed.

Thats the main reason the market share went from 90% to 50%

[quote]He was also a crybaby about Japanese car while
selling their own captive Mitsubishis by the thousands.

He is a good salesman,
[/quote]
I dont even buy that. All hat and no cattle.

[quote]I>ll give him little else.
[/quote]
I dont give him even that except in the sense that he could certainly con congress.

Michael Coburn · Guest

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:25:05 -0800, AZDuffman wrote:

[quote]On Nov 15, 3:25Â am, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote: .

You can almost rate the quality of a post by the amount of virus
infections it attracts. And this one about Iacocca is a good example.
Lee Iacocca was a very smart man and obviously still is.

He was leader of an industry that just put the chrome in a different
spot and called it "all-new" while letting a 90% market share (combined)
fall to <50% today. He was also a crybaby about Japanese car while
selling their own captive Mitsubishis by the thousands.

He is a good salesman, I>ll give him little else.
[/quote]
He did the minivan and he did it first. That is the success story and it
isn>t going to change. And he fired half the VP>s a Chrysler while doing
it. Not just a salesman. You may say that he didn>t build a fuel
efficient car. Irrelevant. He built a very successful car.

Rod Speed · Guest

Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote
[quote]AZDuffman wrote
Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote

You can almost rate the quality of a post by the amount of virus
infections it attracts. And this one about Iacocca is a good
example. Lee Iacocca was a very smart man and obviously still is.

He was leader of an industry that just put the chrome in a different
spot and called it "all-new" while letting a 90% market share
(combined) fall to <50% today. He was also a crybaby about Japanese
car while selling their own captive Mitsubishis by the thousands.

He is a good salesman, I>ll give him little else.

He did the minivan and he did it first.
[/quote]
Pig ignorant lie.

[quote]That is the success story and it isn>t going to change.
[/quote]
How odd that they need bailing out now.

[quote]And he fired half the VP>s a Chrysler while doing it.
[/quote]
How odd that they need bailing out now.

[quote]Not just a salesman.
[/quote]
Not even that.

[quote]You may say that he didn>t build a fuel efficient car. Irrelevant. He built a very successful car.
[/quote]
How odd that they need bailing out now.

AZDuffman · Guest

On Nov 19, 1:31 am, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:

[quote]He did the minivan and he did it first. That is the success story and it
isn>t going to change. And he fired half the VP>s a Chrysler while doing
it. Not just a salesman. You may say that he didn>t build a fuel
efficient car. Irrelevant. He built a very successful car.
[/quote]
Not first (that was VW) but to this day they are regarded as the
best. Also brought back convertibles. One of which I bought and it
started to fall apart at 65,000 miles.

Fuel efficiency was about the same as the rest of the industry.
Quality was well below average. But the fact remains that the company
was on the brink when he was shown the door in the early 1990s. He
made a smart buy of AMC. But he never did anything to really
challenge the japanese. Unless you count crying that competition is
unfair.


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