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Matt Giwer
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 Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: Where are the cactus farms in mesoamerica? |
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I mentioned this peripherally in a response to another thread but it is worth
its own thread at least for the mention.
I was watching a Bobby Flay Throwdown on the Food Network against two
brothers doing an "authentic" Mexican cuisine. They used cacti in their
dishes. They had a few acres where they grew the different cacti for their
restaurant. They were using the cactus itself not the fruits so it is not a
seasonal usage.
On the reasonable assumption the Spanish did not introduce cacti into the
cuisine of Mexico (cacti are new world. Succulents are old world) they were
using it before Columbus. While towns and villages can collect them from the
wild Mexico City had to have a reliable farming source of cacti for food.
Over the years I have read of the discovery of several kinds of farms or
evidence of farming, usually of corn or beans. I do not recall a single
mention of a cactus farm yet they had to exist to support Mexico City if no
place else.
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LloydB
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Where are the cactus farms in mesoamerica? |
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On Oct 12, 2:36 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote] I mentioned this peripherally in a response to another thread but it is worth
its own thread at least for the mention.
I was watching a Bobby Flay Throwdown on the Food Network against two
brothers doing an "authentic" Mexican cuisine. They used cacti in their
dishes. They had a few acres where they grew the different cacti for their
restaurant. They were using the cactus itself not the fruits so it is not a
seasonal usage.
On the reasonable assumption the Spanish did not introduce cacti into the
cuisine of Mexico (cacti are new world. Succulents are old world) they were
using it before Columbus. While towns and villages can collect them from the
wild Mexico City had to have a reliable farming source of cacti for food.
Over the years I have read of the discovery of several kinds of farms or
evidence of farming, usually of corn or beans. I do not recall a single
mention of a cactus farm yet they had to exist to support Mexico City if no
place else.
[/quote]
Another 'Absence of Evidence', thread... KEWL!
Complete with 4 great, honkin' leaps of logic
(or are there more?) and a "reasonable assumption".
Who says we can>t have fun here? ;-) |
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Tom McDonald
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Where are the cactus farms in mesoamerica? |
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On Oct 12, 2:36 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote] I mentioned this peripherally in a response to another thread but it is worth
its own thread at least for the mention.
I was watching a Bobby Flay Throwdown on the Food Network against two
brothers doing an "authentic" Mexican cuisine. They used cacti in their
dishes. They had a few acres where they grew the different cacti for their
restaurant. They were using the cactus itself not the fruits so it is not a
seasonal usage.
On the reasonable assumption the Spanish did not introduce cacti into the
cuisine of Mexico (cacti are new world. Succulents are old world) they were
using it before Columbus. While towns and villages can collect them from the
wild Mexico City had to have a reliable farming source of cacti for food.
Over the years I have read of the discovery of several kinds of farms or
evidence of farming, usually of corn or beans. I do not recall a single
mention of a cactus farm yet they had to exist to support Mexico City if no
place else.
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For Mexico City, you>d be best advised to look into Spanish records.
If, on the other hand, you mean Tenochtitlan, then you may wish to
look into things like Aztec tax/tribute documents (codexs), remains of
chinampas, excavation reports from residential middens from
Tenochtitlan, and the archaeological records of tributary areas within
a few days walk or paddle from Tenochtitlan. |
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Matt Giwer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Where are the cactus farms in mesoamerica? |
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LloydB wrote:
[quote]On Oct 12, 2:36 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
I mentioned this peripherally in a response to another thread but it is worth
its own thread at least for the mention.
I was watching a Bobby Flay Throwdown on the Food Network against two
brothers doing an "authentic" Mexican cuisine. They used cacti in their
dishes. They had a few acres where they grew the different cacti for their
restaurant. They were using the cactus itself not the fruits so it is not a
seasonal usage.
On the reasonable assumption the Spanish did not introduce cacti into the
cuisine of Mexico (cacti are new world. Succulents are old world) they were
using it before Columbus. While towns and villages can collect them from the
wild Mexico City had to have a reliable farming source of cacti for food.
Over the years I have read of the discovery of several kinds of farms or
evidence of farming, usually of corn or beans. I do not recall a single
mention of a cactus farm yet they had to exist to support Mexico City if no
place else.
Another 'Absence of Evidence', thread... KEWL!
Complete with 4 great, honkin' leaps of logic
(or are there more?) and a "reasonable assumption".
Who says we can>t have fun here? ;-)
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This is not an absence of evidence. I was hoping someone had heard of cactus
farms being discovered or that there might be another explanation for not
finding them.
I see no reason to doubt Mexicans used cacti in cooking in pre-Columbian times.
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