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 Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: When was the term Port introduced anyway |
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The original terms for right and left aboard ship were starboard and
larboard which IIRC originated at the time of steering oars. At some
point larboard was replaced by port anyone know when?
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Jack Linthicum
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: When was the term Port introduced anyway |
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On Nov 29, 5:05 am, ken...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
[quote] The original terms for right and left aboard ship were starboard and
larboard which IIRC originated at the time of steering oars. At some
point larboard was replaced by port anyone know when?
Ken Young
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Wikki says that the captain on the H.M.S. Beagle introduced it to his
crew in the 1840s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_(nautical)
http://www.pebforum.com/social-off-topic/2302-origin-some-navy-terms.html
STARBOARD AND PORT In the old Viking ships, ships were steered by
means of a heavy board secured to the right side of the ship.
Therefore, the right side of the vessel (looking forward) was
called the “steerboard” side. Loading was avoided from that side
because of the possibility of damaging the steering gear. Gradually
the term steerboard was corrupted to starboard. The left side
of these old ships (the place of loading) was called the
“load board” side. This finally became “larboard.” Because
“starboard” and “larboard” sounded so much alike, the term port was
substituted in the United States Navy for larboard. A General
Order (18 February 1846) reads: “It having been repeatedly
represented to the Department that confusion arises from the
use of the words ‘Larboard’ and ‘Starboard’ in consequence
of their similarity of sound, the word ‘Port’ is
hereafter to be substituted for Larboard.” (Perhaps the
term port was used because, as ships became larger and rose higher
in the water, loading took place through openings in the sides
called “ports.”)
http://www.tpub.com/content/administration/12966/css/12966_381.htm
here>s a bit about abolishing "port" and "starboard" in 1913 which may
lend background to the U.S. Navy>s use of the terms "right" and "left"
for helm orders.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9402E1DD143FE633A25757C2A9639C946296D6CF |
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a425couple
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: When was the term Port introduced anyway |
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"Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote ...
On Nov 29, 5:05 am, ken...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
[quote]The original terms for right and left aboard ship were starboard and
larboard which IIRC originated at the time of steering oars. At some
point larboard was replaced by port anyone know when?
-Wikki says that the captain on the H.M.S. Beagle introduced it to his[/quote]
-crew in the 1840s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_(nautical)
http://www.pebforum.com/social-off-topic/2302-origin-some-navy-terms.html
- the term port was substituted in the United States Navy for larboard.
-A General Order (18 February 1846)
http://www.tpub.com/content/administration/12966/css/12966_381.htm
-here>s a bit about abolishing "port" and "starboard" in 1913 which may
-lend background to the U.S. Navy>s use of the terms "right" and "left"
-for helm orders.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9402E1DD143FE633A25757C2A9639C946296D6CF
Interesting and informative.
As always, thanks for posting. |
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BF Lake
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: When was the term Port introduced anyway |
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"Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:bd7d5bcd-0d42-4dbf-bbbf-
here>s a bit about abolishing "port" and "starboard" in 1913 which may
lend background to the U.S. Navy>s use of the terms "right" and "left"
for helm orders.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9402E1DD143FE633A25757C2A9639C946296D6CF
BZ Jack! The article is confusing about the terms being opposite what is
normal so this might refer to the tiller vs rudder problem being mixed in
there too. Some good guesses received here in the other thread on that.
Regards,
Barry |
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