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Oz · Guest

Gordon Couger <gcouger@NOSPAMprovalue.net> writes

[quote]For a country that has been cut real short on food twice in the last century
your government is damned short sighted about agriculture as a strategic
resource.
[/quote]
Pretty short sighted in many areas in fact....

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Torsten Brinch · Guest

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:00:34 -0600, "Gordon Couger"
<gcouger@NOSPAMprovalue.net> wrote:

[quote]How does your government plan on people making a living so they can tax
them to have something to keep their jobs?

Are you going to revive manufacturing, shipping, mining or what? Putting all
your eggs in the high tech, banking and service industry basket is a damn
risky. You have a very good climate for agriculture and livestock and people
out of work. Buying from a third party doesn>t make sense when it puts your
at the mercy of a few countries that are prone to less deposable weather
than you are.
[/quote]
UK is really much like USA, Gordon. It is like you cannot compete, or
do not want to. Perhaps it is a cultural thing.

Jim Webster · Guest

"Hamish" <akc@despammed.com> wrote in message
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[quote]
"Gordon Couger" <gcouger@NOSPAMprovalue.net> wrote in message
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No one remembers what happens when there is not an oversupply of
everything.

Indeed, and economics is beyond the most of us.

You can currently buy a DVD player for £37 in the UK. It is produced in
China, shipped halfway around the world made a profit for an importer and
distributed around England taxed at 17.5% and then sold in a shop paying
large local taxes.

I do not understand how this can work. So it is very unlikely that as an
outsider I can follow the economics of world food economics. Polititions
even less so, I don>t understand it with an open mind our masters live a
surreal world of spin.

But as this group points out, we pay a small % of income on food so 400%
price hikes are affordable, it is the knock on effect on the service
industries that will take the hit. If the money is spent on food then it
is
the DVD players that will stay on the shelves, and a lot of world
employment
is in such consumer products.

[/quote]
yes, we are even exporting call centres, as it you can run one on the indian
subcontinent for a third the cost and get staff who are better educated and
often speak better English.

So just how the UK pays for food in the future is beyond me

Jim Webster

Jim Webster · Guest

"Torsten Brinch" <iaotb@inet.uni2.dk> wrote in message
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[quote]On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:00:34 -0600, "Gordon Couger"
gcouger@NOSPAMprovalue.net> wrote:

How does your government plan on people making a living so they can tax
them to have something to keep their jobs?

Are you going to revive manufacturing, shipping, mining or what? Putting
all
your eggs in the high tech, banking and service industry basket is a damn
risky. You have a very good climate for agriculture and livestock and
people
out of work. Buying from a third party doesn>t make sense when it puts
your
at the mercy of a few countries that are prone to less deposable weather
than you are.

UK is really much like USA, Gordon. It is like you cannot compete, or
do not want to. Perhaps it is a cultural thing.
[/quote]
Perhaps Torsten will explain just how the EU remains at the cutting edge of
international competitiveness?

Jim Webster

>

Oz · Guest

Jim Webster <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> writes
[quote]
yes, we are even exporting call centres, as it you can run one on the indian
subcontinent for a third the cost
[/quote]
1/10th, actually

[quote]and get staff who are better educated
[/quote]
It>s a highly paid job there, they are almost all graduates.

[quote]and
often speak better English.
[/quote]
Often not hard, also they at least seem to understand what they are
doing, which helps a lot.

[quote]So just how the UK pays for food in the future is beyond me
[/quote]
By, er, um, I don>t know ....

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Hamish · Guest

"Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message
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[quote]
yes, we are even exporting call centres, as it you can run one on the
indian
subcontinent for a third the cost and get staff who are better educated
and
often speak better English.

It used to be 1/6th, it will balance in time.[/quote]

Hamish · Guest

"Oz" <acoohdb@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Jim Webster <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> writes

yes, we are even exporting call centres, as it you can run one on the
indian
subcontinent for a third the cost

1/10th, actually

[/quote]
I gather the rate is rising fairly fast as the USA and Europe export jobs
they are moping up the available staff.

The funny thing with software jobs is that since the design stage now has to
be fully documented with requirements and tests against requirements being
defined up front that the development cycle is being properly followed. You
can>t do otherwise if you seperate the design stage from the implimentation
process.

If firms did it that way for in-house employees there would probably be no
need to export the jobs.

Hamish · Guest

"Torsten Brinch" <iaotb@inet.uni2.dk> wrote in message
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[quote]On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:00:34 -0600, "Gordon Couger"
gcouger@NOSPAMprovalue.net> wrote:

How does your government plan on people making a living so they can tax
them to have something to keep their jobs?

Are you going to revive manufacturing, shipping, mining or what? Putting
all
your eggs in the high tech, banking and service industry basket is a damn
risky. You have a very good climate for agriculture and livestock and
people
out of work. Buying from a third party doesn>t make sense when it puts
your
at the mercy of a few countries that are prone to less deposable weather
than you are.

UK is really much like USA, Gordon. It is like you cannot compete, or
do not want to. Perhaps it is a cultural thing.

[/quote]
Exporting jobs to India is a greater problem for the USA since you earn more
over there the cost incentive to export the job is greater.

Peter Duncanson · Guest

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:30:07 -0000, "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk>
wrote:

[quote]
yes, we are even exporting call centres, as it you can run one on the indian
subcontinent for a third the cost and get staff who are better educated and
often speak better English.
[/quote]
It>s poetic justice.

At one time India was growing cotton and producing cotton cloth by manual
spinning and weaving. Then spinning and weaving machines were introduced in
England making it possible to ship raw cotton from India to England, spin it
and weave it, and then ship cloth and garments back to India selling them
more cheaply than locally produced items.

[quote]So just how the UK pays for food in the future is beyond me

Ditto.[/quote]

--
Peter Duncanson
UK

Torsten Brinch · Guest

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:13:31 -0000, "Hamish" <akc@despammed.com>
wrote:

[quote]
"Torsten Brinch" <iaotb@inet.uni2.dk> wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:00:34 -0600, "Gordon Couger"
gcouger@NOSPAMprovalue.net> wrote:

How does your government plan on people making a living so they can tax
them to have something to keep their jobs?
..
UK is really much like USA, Gordon. It is like you cannot compete, or
do not want to. Perhaps it is a cultural thing.

Exporting jobs to India is a greater problem for the USA since you earn more
over there the cost incentive to export the job is greater.
[/quote]
Yes, that>s true. USA cannot even compete with UK!

It>s trade deficit with UK this year (up to and including October)
is about 7 billion dollars, very closely the same as its trade
deficit with India. While UK still has a trade surplus with India
(albeit very small).

Michelle Fulton · Guest

Jim Webster wrote:
[quote]yes, we are even exporting call centres, as it you can run one on the
indian subcontinent for a third the cost and get staff who are better
educated and often speak better English.
[/quote]
Funny you should bring up India and call centers, as I just read a job
posting for an IT job in India. Maybe we have have already used up the
employables over there???? Seems unlikely, with their population, but why
else would a company want to pay the expense of shipping someone over there?

M

Jim Webster · Guest

"Michelle Fulton" <notvalid@charter.net> wrote in message
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[quote]Jim Webster wrote:
yes, we are even exporting call centres, as it you can run one on the
indian subcontinent for a third the cost and get staff who are better
educated and often speak better English.

Funny you should bring up India and call centers, as I just read a job
posting for an IT job in India. Maybe we have have already used up the
employables over there???? Seems unlikely, with their population, but why
else would a company want to pay the expense of shipping someone over
there?[/quote]

providing training?

Actually I suspect that there is only a comparatively small proportion of
the population with the requisite qualifications/skills.
But it is a huge population and a small proportion of that can still be an
awful lot of people
And if they have a culture which values education and can see the usefulness
of it, then boy are they going to expand that proportion

Jim Webster
[quote]
M

[/quote]

Jill · Guest

"Michelle Fulton" <notvalid@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vtpa9aflhrom10@corp.supernews.com...
[quote]Jim Webster wrote:
yes, we are even exporting call centres, as it you can run one on the
indian subcontinent for a third the cost and get staff who are better
educated and often speak better English.

Funny you should bring up India and call centers, as I just read a job
posting for an IT job in India. Maybe we have have already used up the
employables over there???? Seems unlikely, with their population, but why
else would a company want to pay the expense of shipping someone over
there?[/quote]

for those customers over here who might insist on speaking to a native
English / American speaker???
just guessing
Or to have someone in a working group who might understand the mentality of
the customers calling in to help improve the service

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[quote]
M

[/quote]

Peter Duncanson · Guest

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:17:00 -0600, "Michelle Fulton" <notvalid@charter.net>
wrote:

[quote]Jim Webster wrote:
yes, we are even exporting call centres, as it you can run one on the
indian subcontinent for a third the cost and get staff who are better
educated and often speak better English.

Funny you should bring up India and call centers, as I just read a job
posting for an IT job in India. Maybe we have have already used up the
employables over there???? Seems unlikely, with their population, but why
else would a company want to pay the expense of shipping someone over there?

Possibly they want someone with specific experience.[/quote]
Also, the IT industry in India tries to attract "Silicon Valley returnees".
Plus, the IT industry in India is expanding fast.

The number of "employables" is determined by the output of the education
system. In this case it would be college/university-level education. I can>t
find current statistics, but I think that the number of students per
thousand of the population is much lower than in the US or UK. This is
determined by economics, not the potential ability of the people.

--
Peter Duncanson
UK

Peter Duncanson · Guest

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:24:37 -0000, "Jill"
<farm@removethisbitkintaline.co.uk> wrote:

[quote]
"Michelle Fulton" <notvalid@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vtpa9aflhrom10@corp.supernews.com...
Jim Webster wrote:
yes, we are even exporting call centres, as it you can run one on the
indian subcontinent for a third the cost and get staff who are better
educated and often speak better English.

Funny you should bring up India and call centers, as I just read a job
posting for an IT job in India. Maybe we have have already used up the
employables over there???? Seems unlikely, with their population, but why
else would a company want to pay the expense of shipping someone over
there?

for those customers over here who might insist on speaking to a native
English / American speaker???
just guessing
Or to have someone in a working group who might understand the mentality of
the customers calling in to help improve the service
[/quote]
I think Michelle mentioned an IT job rather than a call-centre job.
India has an established and expanding software industry.
Google for "STPI India".

And since we are mentioning Google
http://www.business-standard.com/today/story.asp?Menu=23&story=29730
<quote>
Google coming to Bangalore
Our Bureau in Bangalore
Published : December 13, 2003

Google Inc, the world’s most famous Internet search engine, has decided to
cash in on the “low-cost, high quality” advantage that India offers.

The company has announced that it will open its Indian R&D centre in
Bangalore, early next year. Senior officials from the Software Technology
Parks of India, Bangalore have confirmed that they have already been
approached by Google, “which plans to set up an R&D centre in Bangalore”.
....
</quote>

--
Peter Duncanson
UK


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