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[quote]In article <tp-dne7jd_AYTRrVnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@posted.internetamerica>,
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Hi Two counter acting forces. Gravity pulls things together. Heat
pushes things apart. If even a gas is cold enough it will tend to
clump together by gravity. If enough clumps to gether, the gravity
will win out over the heating, caused by the clumping. Also, the
heat of clumping is quickly lost by radiation. As more tends to
clump, it takes more heat to disperse it. As long as there is more
gas to fall into this gravity center, it will get denser. It
continues to lose the heat of being compressed but as long as the
gravity gets larger, it continues to take more and more heat to
keep it from compressing together. Once enough hydrogen collects
and gets hot enough, a thermal fusing of hydrogen to helium will
take place. Mass is converted to energy that is the heat and light
we see of a star. This causes the star to expand, slowing the
conversion of hydrogen to helium. This regulates the burning of the
hydrogen to keep the star working for long periods of time. What is
so hard about that?

Several things. Just because space dust is cold will not make it
clump. You seem to be imagining ice crystals causing snowballs or
something, which could not happen in a vacuum.

You mean like comets?
[/quote]
Comets cannot be just dirty snowballs, either, or the Sun would melt them
as they go around it

[quote]
And gravity will not pull space dust together.

Yes, it will.
[/quote]
Next time you are in a place with dust, just observe. Without some
kind of help, it will not come together.

[quote]
Any more than salt in
a salt shaker will clump, as long as it is perfectly dry, as it in
space.

And you know this how?
[/quote]
Get a salt shaker and observe. And there has to be liquid in space
for it not to be dry.

[quote]
And you are also imagining heat coming from only God knows where.

Well, there is the perfect gas law, which describes very accurately how
the temperature of a gas increases when the pressure is increased or the
volume is decreased. Indeed, Jupiter is emitting more heat than it
receives from the sun because the gases its made of are contracting
under gravitational pressure.
[/quote]
But there is no pressure with loose particles of dust in space. <sigh>

[quote]
My comment about all this is to point out that when people are faced
with a lack of understanding, they grab upon the first idea which is
convenient. They will not abstain from jumping to conclusions until
the facts finally gloriously produce themselves.

I.E., no one knows how stars form from space dust, and neither do
you.

Yes, they do.
[/quote]
<sigh, again> No, they just think that they do. And thinking that they do
is what is preventing them from knowing the reality of the situation.

[quote]
If people did not jump to conclusions in this way, we could be on
space ships tomorrow going to the stars.

Well, if you know the secret, then explain it to us.
[/quote]
Until you learn the mechanics of planets orbitting the Sun, and how they
constantly accelerate, it will be close to impossible to explain any of it
to you.

You will be tripped up by things taught as facts in modern physics.

G=EMC^2 Glazier · Guest

Cactus saul When rocks evolved out of space dust Mark has a good point
That now that the solar system has far less heat clumping is not taking
place, It is now just covering the solid rock surface. When the Earth
was a very hot liquid ball it could absorb hot dust and get bigger,and
bigger. Now lets go to the Moon dust and why being cold and dry it
has some attraction for each molecule or grain. I think it is magnetic
I think it is static electrical I have theorized it this way. Strong
Earth gravity causes this find dust to very slightly move(shifts) This
causes rubbing (friction) This causes electrons to move from one atom to
another. Thus you have static electricity. Not done yet
This fine Moon dust is hit by Sun light much stronger that Earth So I
can easily bring in photo electric ,and this just jumped in and fits
well with the structure of Moon dust or sand Piezoelectric So gents
here you see three ways to create a magnetic field. Ooops another way
of it to stick together just jumped in,but Ill save it Bert PS I
relate the tiny movement of Moon surface dust to watching the hour hand
on a clock.(even harder to watch) So where is my Nobel??? We have to
again take pictures of Armstrongs boot prints and compare

Saul Levy · Guest

You>ve already confused Mark with magnetism, BEERTbrain! lmao!

That>s not very helpful at all!

Another Nobel?

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Saul Levy

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:47:31 -0400, herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2
Glazier) wrote:

[quote]Cactus saul When rocks evolved out of space dust Mark has a good point
That now that the solar system has far less heat clumping is not taking
place, It is now just covering the solid rock surface. When the Earth
was a very hot liquid ball it could absorb hot dust and get bigger,and
bigger. Now lets go to the Moon dust and why being cold and dry it
has some attraction for each molecule or grain. I think it is magnetic
I think it is static electrical I have theorized it this way. Strong
Earth gravity causes this find dust to very slightly move(shifts) This
causes rubbing (friction) This causes electrons to move from one atom to
another. Thus you have static electricity. Not done yet
This fine Moon dust is hit by Sun light much stronger that Earth So I
can easily bring in photo electric ,and this just jumped in and fits
well with the structure of Moon dust or sand Piezoelectric So gents
here you see three ways to create a magnetic field. Ooops another way
of it to stick together just jumped in,but Ill save it Bert PS I
relate the tiny movement of Moon surface dust to watching the hour hand
on a clock.(even harder to watch) So where is my Nobel??? We have to
again take pictures of Armstrongs boot prints and compare[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

Aw, poor BradBoi! I>ve posted considerable information on star
formation by an expert in that field, Dr. James Kaler.

I guess you can>t read, BradBoi? I also guess you can>t understand?

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Saul Levy

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:17:08 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]Rabbi Saul Levy never tells us village idiots about much of anything,
especially if it>s the least bit outside of his pretend-Atheism Old
Testament.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

Maybe those BAD particles are what Mark is talking about, BradBoi?
lmfjao!

Bad star-like or nuclear sorts of things? That>s REALLY a WACKO thing
to say! More like an INSANE thing to say!

We know there is much thorium in the Earth. Now you admit to iron in
the core? What a laugh that is!

The Apollo program clearly shows that: 1. There is no large static
charge between the Earth and the Moon, 2. The dust layer on the Moon
is very thin.

As for the Sun: It is NOTHING! We are in the solar wind so no charge
could possibly build up.

You are also totally HOPELESS, BradBoi! We keep telling you this, but
you just don>t get it!

Saul Levy

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:13:05 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]One method remains as electrostatic charges that should combine,
whereas the negative charged beta and the positive charged alpha
particles would tend to attract to one another, and unavoidably
proceed to do bad star like or nuclear sorts of things.

There>s perhaps no such thing as a perfectly neutral particle. It>s
either an alpha(+) or a beta(-). Matter and antimatter should be the
ultimate in electron/particle differential.

Nuclear/atomic stuff such as thorium is obviously extremely dense (the
opposite of a gas), however the other method is via magnetics which
can also become relatively dense substances. Is there such a thing as
a magnetic gas?

Earth>s core might actually contain a great deal of thorium, as well
as iron.

btw, our moon is likely multi-teraVolt charged with respect to Earth,
although to what extent and if positive or negative is what I>m not
certain of.

What>s the polarity and multi-teraVolt worth of our sun?

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

What>s the matter, BradBoi? lmfjao!

Don>t want your BALLS irradiated when you travel to Venus to see your
Jewish Borg aliens? A lot less shielding is needed for space travel.
Kilometers of ice?

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

What the f ck is a micro star? Artificial or otherwise.

Anything the mass of a brown dwarf or less CANNOT use fusion to
produce energy. Not exactly MICRO, is it?

You keep making this SHIT up!

Saul Levy

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:38:27 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]That is mostly correct, except I believe that artificial micro stars
via fusion can be created. The artificial trick is in feeding and
thus sustaining that fusion without creating a black hole of possibly
antimatter.

BTW; Human DNA is simply too frail for the cosmic gauntlet of gamma
and the unavoidable secondary/recoil of Xrays. Our interstellar
spacecraft might need to be as robust as an icy proto-moon in order to
muster up enough physical shielding on behalf of protecting our
extremely frail DNA. If push came down to shove (so to speak), we
could survive rather nicely if protected by 100+ km of salty ice, and
perhaps even by as little as one km of ice would due, as otherwise
existing/coexisting deep enough underground (say 100+ meters deep)
would allow us to safely travel to another star system via our rogue
and most likely icy proto-moon or proto-planetoid if you like.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

Oh, BradBoi, I have a VERY GOOD reason to naysay! lmfjao!

I>m sick and tired of reading all the worthless, unscientific SHIT in
this newsgroup from you and others!

No DARPA or mysticism is needed!

Saul Levy

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:41:57 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]Why are you replying to this certified Zionist/Nazi of the Old
Testament LLPOF kind?

Our pretend-Atheist rabbi Saul Levy isn>t topic/author stalking for no
good reason.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

Another figure you are posting which is DEAD WRONG, BradBoi! lmfjao!

10 Jupiters does NOT make a star. It takes 80 (EIGHTY)!

Is that what your fictional micro-star is? So micro-stars now have
planets too? Actually, your micro-stars ARE nothing more than large
planets! They will not fuse anything.

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Saul Levy

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:59:21 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]For all we know, Jupiter could also have a core of thorium to work
with. Of most anything that encounters Jupiter sticks within Jupiter,
and adds to the soup we see and detect as a mostly gas giant that>s
roughly 10% of becoming a star.

In other words, combine 10 Jupiters and you>d have a slightly larger
diameter of perhaps 1.5x that>s a worthy enough small star that could
rather nicely sustain all sorts of life as we know it upon its tidal
flex and IR heated moons.

When our sun goes red giant, even a Jupiter moon as is might look
inviting.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

Mark has no excuse, BradBoi! lmfjao!

His total lack of an education has DOOMED him to posting SHIT here!

I suggest that you get used to it!

The stupid may not know they are stupid, but the rest of us know it
very well!

Saul Levy

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:08:12 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]So, do tell us in your best SWAG, exactly how it all works. What the
hell are you waiting for?

BTW, Einstein was better than most at jumping to conclusions. At
least unlike yourself, Einstein and company of his puppet masters
tried to share and explain some of those conclusions. Whereas your
pathetic excuse is?????

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth[/quote]

G=EMC^2 Glazier · Guest

Cactus saul Mark was born confused,but how say you on my magnetic moon
dust theory? Bert

Saul Levy · Guest

That apparently is true, Mark! lmao!

Your views are so WEIRD that no one else could have them!

Except when experts like Dr. Kaler say things, you should PAY
ATTENTION! You know NOTHING about star formation, but he does.

Science was built on the shoulders of many people. No one single
person could possibly learn everything all by themselves. There is
too much to learn. By failing to learn from others, you have DOOMED
yourself to FAILURE!

Have a nice life, LOSER!

Saul Levy

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:18:19 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:uk5g845cj0ar3edvgdaq13vfi9jtcmjilm@4ax.com...
If you have little FAITH in religion, Mark, what do you believe in?

I believe in being yourself and copying no one.

Read Dr. Kaler>s webpage a few more times and maybe you>ll get it!

Saul Levy[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

I>ve worked in professional astronomy, Mark! We DO KNOW A LOT.

Knowing almost NOTHING goes back to say Jesus' time. We>d still be
riding on donkeys and walking if your views were widely held.

I>d much rather fly! It>s FASTER! My car is also very useful.

Saul Levy

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:20:05 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
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So why haven>t you left already, Mark? lmao!

I don>t have enough money to build the spaceship in my back yard.

As I>ve said before: When you KNOW NOTHING, YOU TRULY KNOW NOTHING!

And until you know you know nothing, you will never know anything.

No mysticism is needed.

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:43:57 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

Several things. Just because space dust is cold will not make it clump.
You seem to be imagining ice crystals causing snowballs or something,
which could not happen in a vacuum.

And gravity will not pull space dust together. Any more than salt in a
salt
shaker will clump, as long as it is perfectly dry, as it in space.

And you are also imagining heat coming from only God knows where.

My comment about all this is to point out that when people are faced with
a lack of understanding, they grab upon the first idea which is
convenient.
They will not abstain from jumping to conclusions until the facts finally
gloriously produce themselves.

I.E., no one knows how stars form from space dust, and neither do you.

If people did not jump to conclusions in this way, we could be on space
ships tomorrow going to the stars.
[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

The Sun IS melting comets, Mark! What do you think creates those
beautiful tails?

Comets are deep frozen and need a lot of sunlight to melt. Some old
ones have actually lost their dirty snow and become asteroids.

No mysticism needed.

Saul Levy

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:12:44 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]
"Timberwoof" <timberwoof.spam@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote in message
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You mean like comets?

Comets cannot be just dirty snowballs, either, or the Sun would melt them
as they go around it[/quote]

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 24, 7:13 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote]Cactus saul Mark was born confused,but how say you on my magnetic moon
dust theory? Bert
[/quote]
And once again, you expect our resident Zionist/Nazi Hitler (aka Saul
Levy) to share anything that>s not fully NASA/Apollo scripted as is?

Have you recently changed your mind about our mostly republican
government run cartels, that which can>t be differentiated from your
local Mafia?

Don>t you ever go back and read through his mainstream status quo
replies to nearly everything you>ve posted? And yet absolutely
nothing rings any bell?

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

Saul Levy · Guest

Moon dust IS magnetic, BEERTbrain! lmao!

See:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/04apr_magneticmoondust.htm

NASA maybe agrees with your basic premise. The details? Probably
not.

The very fine dust (<20 microns) is easily attracted by a magnet. The
dust is also encapsulated in GLASS! Larger dust particles aren>t
attracted as well to a magnet. So it ends up the particles aren>t
really all that magnetic after all. But they do contain magnetic
iron.

Read this article by Trudy Bell and Tony Phillips. I know Trudy. She
was raised in Pittsburgh too.

Saul Levy

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:13:56 -0400, herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2
Glazier) wrote:

[quote]Cactus saul Mark was born confused,but how say you on my magnetic moon
dust theory? Bert[/quote]


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