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Mark Earnest · Guest

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
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[quote]Iron is very HEAVY, Mark. It does stick to the ground! lmao!
[/quote]

You are changing the definition of to stick, as no longer indicating
magnetism,
in order to further your lost cause.

[quote]
Do you see any ROCKS flying around? No!

I already answered that question. Atoms STICK to each other.
[/quote]

Get some dirt and throw it up into the air.
Did it stick together when you did?
Duh!

[quote]
See: http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/~kaler/sow/star_intro.html

as an example. Read The birth of stars section about 1/3 of the way
down that page and the Hydrogen fusion: proton- proton chain a few
sections above that one.

James Kaler is a well known astronomer and expert in star formation.

There are many other examples.

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:39:55 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

"BradGuth" <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 11:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message

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Maybe you noticed on the Apollo moon missions that dust stuck to the
boots of the astronauts? How could that possibly happen under your
views? Their boot prints are still up there with dust compressed in
the shapes on the soles of their boots. That dust is STICKING
TOGETHER!

Unless you>re a Moon landing naysayer, of course.

Saul Levy

Only in free outer space, there is nothing to compress the dust
together.
Try again, please.

TeraVolts of an electrostatic charge shouldn>t be discounted, and then
a good many meteorites have been know to be a little magnetic.

That is total nonsense. If the world is held together by magnetism, iron
would
stick to the ground.

Try again please.
How does space dust collect to form stars?[/quote]

Mark Earnest · Guest

<dkelvey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]On Jul 23, 10:39 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Jul 22, 11:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message

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Maybe you noticed on the Apollo moon missions that dust stuck to the
boots of the astronauts? How could that possibly happen under your
views? Their boot prints are still up there with dust compressed in
the shapes on the soles of their boots. That dust is STICKING
TOGETHER!

Unless you>re a Moon landing naysayer, of course.

Saul Levy

Only in free outer space, there is nothing to compress the dust
together.
Try again, please.

TeraVolts of an electrostatic charge shouldn>t be discounted, and then
a good many meteorites have been know to be a little magnetic.

That is total nonsense. If the world is held together by magnetism, iron
would
stick to the ground.

Try again please.
How does space dust collect to form stars?

Hi
Two counter acting forces. Gravity pulls things together. Heat pushes
things
apart. If even a gas is cold enough it will tend to clump together by
gravity.
If enough clumps to gether, the gravity will win out over the heating,
caused
by the clumping. Also, the heat of clumping is quickly lost by
radiation.
As more tends to clump, it takes more heat to disperse it. As long as
there is
more gas to fall into this gravity center, it will get denser. It
continues to
lose the heat of being compressed but as long as the gravity gets
larger,
it continues to take more and more heat to keep it from compressing
together.
Once enough hydrogen collects and gets hot enough, a thermal fusing
of hydrogen to helium will take place. Mass is converted to energy
that
is the heat and light we see of a star. This causes the star to
expand,
slowing the conversion of hydrogen to helium. This regulates the
burning
of the hydrogen to keep the star working for long periods of time.
What is so hard about that?
[/quote]
Several things. Just because space dust is cold will not make it clump.
You seem to be imagining ice crystals causing snowballs or something,
which could not happen in a vacuum.

And gravity will not pull space dust together. Any more than salt in a salt
shaker will clump, as long as it is perfectly dry, as it in space.

And you are also imagining heat coming from only God knows where.

My comment about all this is to point out that when people are faced with
a lack of understanding, they grab upon the first idea which is convenient.
They will not abstain from jumping to conclusions until the facts finally
gloriously produce themselves.

I.E., no one knows how stars form from space dust, and neither do you.

If people did not jump to conclusions in this way, we could be on space
ships tomorrow going to the stars.

Saul Levy · Guest

Check your assumptions again, Mark. lmao!

It was BEERTbrain who brought magnetism into this, not me. Then you
mentioned iron being magnetic. I replied.

My "cause" is based on science while yours is based on religious
mysticism.

Guess which has more TRUTH in it?

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:51:38 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3e9f84hc69bk7du6hanukb58gte27r2k23@4ax.com...
Iron is very HEAVY, Mark. It does stick to the ground! lmao!

You are changing the definition of to stick, as no longer indicating
magnetism,
in order to further your lost cause.

Do you see any ROCKS flying around? No!

I already answered that question. Atoms STICK to each other.

Get some dirt and throw it up into the air.
Did it stick together when you did?
Duh!

See: http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/~kaler/sow/star_intro.html

as an example. Read The birth of stars section about 1/3 of the way
down that page and the Hydrogen fusion: proton- proton chain a few
sections above that one.

James Kaler is a well known astronomer and expert in star formation.

There are many other examples.

Saul Levy[/quote]

Mark Earnest · Guest

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:39kf84d406n43obrl4av3r7umckkc1n3mu@4ax.com...
[quote]Check your assumptions again, Mark. lmao!

It was BEERTbrain who brought magnetism into this, not me. Then you
mentioned iron being magnetic. I replied.

My "cause" is based on science while yours is based on religious
mysticism.

Guess which has more TRUTH in it?
[/quote]
Neither, since religion has little truth, also.

[quote]
Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:51:38 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3e9f84hc69bk7du6hanukb58gte27r2k23@4ax.com...
Iron is very HEAVY, Mark. It does stick to the ground! lmao!

You are changing the definition of to stick, as no longer indicating
magnetism,
in order to further your lost cause.

Do you see any ROCKS flying around? No!

I already answered that question. Atoms STICK to each other.

Get some dirt and throw it up into the air.
Did it stick together when you did?
Duh!

See: http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/~kaler/sow/star_intro.html

as an example. Read The birth of stars section about 1/3 of the way
down that page and the Hydrogen fusion: proton- proton chain a few
sections above that one.

James Kaler is a well known astronomer and expert in star formation.

There are many other examples.

Saul Levy[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

So why haven>t you left already, Mark? lmao!

As I>ve said before: When you KNOW NOTHING, YOU TRULY KNOW NOTHING!

No mysticism is needed.

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:43:57 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]Several things. Just because space dust is cold will not make it clump.
You seem to be imagining ice crystals causing snowballs or something,
which could not happen in a vacuum.

And gravity will not pull space dust together. Any more than salt in a salt
shaker will clump, as long as it is perfectly dry, as it in space.

And you are also imagining heat coming from only God knows where.

My comment about all this is to point out that when people are faced with
a lack of understanding, they grab upon the first idea which is convenient.
They will not abstain from jumping to conclusions until the facts finally
gloriously produce themselves.

I.E., no one knows how stars form from space dust, and neither do you.

If people did not jump to conclusions in this way, we could be on space
ships tomorrow going to the stars.[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

If you have little FAITH in religion, Mark, what do you believe in?

Read Dr. Kaler>s webpage a few more times and maybe you>ll get it!

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:11:43 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:39kf84d406n43obrl4av3r7umckkc1n3mu@4ax.com...
Check your assumptions again, Mark. lmao!

It was BEERTbrain who brought magnetism into this, not me. Then you
mentioned iron being magnetic. I replied.

My "cause" is based on science while yours is based on religious
mysticism.

Guess which has more TRUTH in it?

Neither, since religion has little truth, also.

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:51:38 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3e9f84hc69bk7du6hanukb58gte27r2k23@4ax.com...
Iron is very HEAVY, Mark. It does stick to the ground! lmao!

You are changing the definition of to stick, as no longer indicating
magnetism,
in order to further your lost cause.

Do you see any ROCKS flying around? No!

I already answered that question. Atoms STICK to each other.

Get some dirt and throw it up into the air.
Did it stick together when you did?
Duh!

See: http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/~kaler/sow/star_intro.html

as an example. Read The birth of stars section about 1/3 of the way
down that page and the Hydrogen fusion: proton- proton chain a few
sections above that one.

James Kaler is a well known astronomer and expert in star formation.

There are many other examples.

Saul Levy[/quote]

Mark Earnest · Guest

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
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[quote]If you have little FAITH in religion, Mark, what do you believe in?
[/quote]
I believe in being yourself and copying no one.

[quote]
Read Dr. Kaler>s webpage a few more times and maybe you>ll get it!

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:11:43 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:39kf84d406n43obrl4av3r7umckkc1n3mu@4ax.com...
Check your assumptions again, Mark. lmao!

It was BEERTbrain who brought magnetism into this, not me. Then you
mentioned iron being magnetic. I replied.

My "cause" is based on science while yours is based on religious
mysticism.

Guess which has more TRUTH in it?

Neither, since religion has little truth, also.

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:51:38 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3e9f84hc69bk7du6hanukb58gte27r2k23@4ax.com...
Iron is very HEAVY, Mark. It does stick to the ground! lmao!

You are changing the definition of to stick, as no longer indicating
magnetism,
in order to further your lost cause.

Do you see any ROCKS flying around? No!

I already answered that question. Atoms STICK to each other.

Get some dirt and throw it up into the air.
Did it stick together when you did?
Duh!

See: http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/~kaler/sow/star_intro.html

as an example. Read The birth of stars section about 1/3 of the way
down that page and the Hydrogen fusion: proton- proton chain a few
sections above that one.

James Kaler is a well known astronomer and expert in star formation.

There are many other examples.

Saul Levy[/quote]

Mark Earnest · Guest

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
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[quote]So why haven>t you left already, Mark? lmao!
[/quote]
I don>t have enough money to build the spaceship in my back yard.

[quote]
As I>ve said before: When you KNOW NOTHING, YOU TRULY KNOW NOTHING!
[/quote]
And until you know you know nothing, you will never know anything.

[quote]
No mysticism is needed.

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:43:57 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

Several things. Just because space dust is cold will not make it clump.
You seem to be imagining ice crystals causing snowballs or something,
which could not happen in a vacuum.

And gravity will not pull space dust together. Any more than salt in a
salt
shaker will clump, as long as it is perfectly dry, as it in space.

And you are also imagining heat coming from only God knows where.

My comment about all this is to point out that when people are faced with
a lack of understanding, they grab upon the first idea which is
convenient.
They will not abstain from jumping to conclusions until the facts finally
gloriously produce themselves.

I.E., no one knows how stars form from space dust, and neither do you.

If people did not jump to conclusions in this way, we could be on space
ships tomorrow going to the stars.[/quote]

Timberwoof · Guest

In article <tp-dne7jd_AYTRrVnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@posted.internetamerica>,
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]dkelvey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fa4b4f88-df5c-426b-8409-f1314e5dca57@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com.
..

Hi Two counter acting forces. Gravity pulls things together. Heat
pushes things apart. If even a gas is cold enough it will tend to
clump together by gravity. If enough clumps to gether, the gravity
will win out over the heating, caused by the clumping. Also, the
heat of clumping is quickly lost by radiation. As more tends to
clump, it takes more heat to disperse it. As long as there is more
gas to fall into this gravity center, it will get denser. It
continues to lose the heat of being compressed but as long as the
gravity gets larger, it continues to take more and more heat to
keep it from compressing together. Once enough hydrogen collects
and gets hot enough, a thermal fusing of hydrogen to helium will
take place. Mass is converted to energy that is the heat and light
we see of a star. This causes the star to expand, slowing the
conversion of hydrogen to helium. This regulates the burning of the
hydrogen to keep the star working for long periods of time. What is
so hard about that?

Several things. Just because space dust is cold will not make it
clump. You seem to be imagining ice crystals causing snowballs or
something, which could not happen in a vacuum.
[/quote]
You mean like comets?

[quote]And gravity will not pull space dust together.
[/quote]
Yes, it will.

[quote]Any more than salt in
a salt shaker will clump, as long as it is perfectly dry, as it in
space.
[/quote]
And you know this how?

[quote]And you are also imagining heat coming from only God knows where.
[/quote]
Well, there is the perfect gas law, which describes very accurately how
the temperature of a gas increases when the pressure is increased or the
volume is decreased. Indeed, Jupiter is emitting more heat than it
receives from the sun because the gases its made of are contracting
under gravitational pressure.

[quote]My comment about all this is to point out that when people are faced
with a lack of understanding, they grab upon the first idea which is
convenient. They will not abstain from jumping to conclusions until
the facts finally gloriously produce themselves.

I.E., no one knows how stars form from space dust, and neither do
you.
[/quote]
Yes, they do.

[quote]If people did not jump to conclusions in this way, we could be on
space ships tomorrow going to the stars.
[/quote]
Well, if you know the secret, then explain it to us.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don>t blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 23, 10:39 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]"BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Jul 22, 11:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message

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Maybe you noticed on the Apollo moon missions that dust stuck to the
boots of the astronauts? How could that possibly happen under your
views? Their boot prints are still up there with dust compressed in
the shapes on the soles of their boots. That dust is STICKING
TOGETHER!

Unless you>re a Moon landing naysayer, of course.

Saul Levy

Only in free outer space, there is nothing to compress the dust together.
Try again, please.

TeraVolts of an electrostatic charge shouldn>t be discounted, and then
a good many meteorites have been know to be a little magnetic.

That is total nonsense. If the world is held together by magnetism, iron
would
stick to the ground.

Try again please.
How does space dust collect to form stars?
[/quote]
One method remains as electrostatic charges that should combine,
whereas the negative charged beta and the positive charged alpha
particles would tend to attract to one another, and unavoidably
proceed to do bad star like or nuclear sorts of things.

There>s perhaps no such thing as a perfectly neutral particle. It>s
either an alpha(+) or a beta(-). Matter and antimatter should be the
ultimate in electron/particle differential.

Nuclear/atomic stuff such as thorium is obviously extremely dense (the
opposite of a gas), however the other method is via magnetics which
can also become relatively dense substances. Is there such a thing as
a magnetic gas?

Earth>s core might actually contain a great deal of thorium, as well
as iron.

btw, our moon is likely multi-teraVolt charged with respect to Earth,
although to what extent and if positive or negative is what I>m not
certain of.

What>s the polarity and multi-teraVolt worth of our sun?

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 23, 10:41 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message

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Poor Mark. Still hoping for an answer that fits his lack of
knowledge! lmao!

I already told you what it is: Gravity and the sticking together of
atoms. Join enough atoms and it will compress itself.

No mystic nonsense needed.

Saul Levy

You still haven>t shown how free hydrogen atoms stick together
in outer space.

If atoms tend to stick together, then why don>t they stick together
when you burst a helium baloon?

Try again please.
How does the dust of stars stick together?
[/quote]
Rabbi Saul Levy never tells us village idiots about much of anything,
especially if it>s the least bit outside of his pretend-Atheism Old
Testament.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 23, 5:43 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]dkel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:fa4b4f88-df5c-426b-8409-f1314e5dca57@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 23, 10:39 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Jul 22, 11:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message

news:7tdd84dkqro0r2k09iigiaqhinaf0335fc@4ax.com...

Maybe you noticed on the Apollo moon missions that dust stuck to the
boots of the astronauts? How could that possibly happen under your
views? Their boot prints are still up there with dust compressed in
the shapes on the soles of their boots. That dust is STICKING
TOGETHER!

Unless you>re a Moon landing naysayer, of course.

Saul Levy

Only in free outer space, there is nothing to compress the dust
together.
Try again, please.

TeraVolts of an electrostatic charge shouldn>t be discounted, and then
a good many meteorites have been know to be a little magnetic.

That is total nonsense. If the world is held together by magnetism, iron
would
stick to the ground.

Try again please.
How does space dust collect to form stars?

Hi
Two counter acting forces. Gravity pulls things together. Heat pushes
things
apart. If even a gas is cold enough it will tend to clump together by
gravity.
If enough clumps to gether, the gravity will win out over the heating,
caused
by the clumping. Also, the heat of clumping is quickly lost by
radiation.
As more tends to clump, it takes more heat to disperse it. As long as
there is
more gas to fall into this gravity center, it will get denser. It
continues to
lose the heat of being compressed but as long as the gravity gets
larger,
it continues to take more and more heat to keep it from compressing
together.
Once enough hydrogen collects and gets hot enough, a thermal fusing
of hydrogen to helium will take place. Mass is converted to energy
that
is the heat and light we see of a star. This causes the star to
expand,
slowing the conversion of hydrogen to helium. This regulates the
burning
of the hydrogen to keep the star working for long periods of time.
What is so hard about that?

Several things. Just because space dust is cold will not make it clump.
You seem to be imagining ice crystals causing snowballs or something,
which could not happen in a vacuum.

And gravity will not pull space dust together. Any more than salt in a salt
shaker will clump, as long as it is perfectly dry, as it in space.

And you are also imagining heat coming from only God knows where.

My comment about all this is to point out that when people are faced with
a lack of understanding, they grab upon the first idea which is convenient.
They will not abstain from jumping to conclusions until the facts finally
gloriously produce themselves.

I.E., no one knows how stars form from space dust, and neither do you.

If people did not jump to conclusions in this way, we could be on space
ships tomorrow going to the stars.
[/quote]
That is mostly correct, except I believe that artificial micro stars
via fusion can be created. The artificial trick is in feeding and
thus sustaining that fusion without creating a black hole of possibly
antimatter.

BTW; Human DNA is simply too frail for the cosmic gauntlet of gamma
and the unavoidable secondary/recoil of Xrays. Our interstellar
spacecraft might need to be as robust as an icy proto-moon in order to
muster up enough physical shielding on behalf of protecting our
extremely frail DNA. If push came down to shove (so to speak), we
could survive rather nicely if protected by 100+ km of salty ice, and
perhaps even by as little as one km of ice would due, as otherwise
existing/coexisting deep enough underground (say 100+ meters deep)
would allow us to safely travel to another star system via our rogue
and most likely icy proto-moon or proto-planetoid if you like.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 23, 11:18 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message

news:uk5g845cj0ar3edvgdaq13vfi9jtcmjilm@4ax.com...

If you have little FAITH in religion, Mark, what do you believe in?

I believe in being yourself and copying no one.

Read Dr. Kaler>s webpage a few more times and maybe you>ll get it!

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:11:43 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:39kf84d406n43obrl4av3r7umckkc1n3mu@4ax.com...
Check your assumptions again, Mark. lmao!

It was BEERTbrain who brought magnetism into this, not me. Then you
mentioned iron being magnetic. I replied.

My "cause" is based on science while yours is based on religious
mysticism.

Guess which has more TRUTH in it?

Neither, since religion has little truth, also.

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:51:38 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3e9f84hc69bk7du6hanukb58gte27r2k23@4ax.com...
Iron is very HEAVY, Mark. It does stick to the ground! lmao!

You are changing the definition of to stick, as no longer indicating
magnetism,
in order to further your lost cause.

Do you see any ROCKS flying around? No!

I already answered that question. Atoms STICK to each other.

Get some dirt and throw it up into the air.
Did it stick together when you did?
Duh!

See: http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/~kaler/sow/star_intro.html

as an example. Read The birth of stars section about 1/3 of the way
down that page and the Hydrogen fusion: proton- proton chain a few
sections above that one.

James Kaler is a well known astronomer and expert in star formation.

There are many other examples.

Saul Levy
[/quote]
Why are you replying to this certified Zionist/Nazi of the Old
Testament LLPOF kind?

Our pretend-Atheist rabbi Saul Levy isn>t topic/author stalking for no
good reason.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 23, 11:56 pm, Timberwoof
<timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
[quote]In article <tp-dne7jd_AYTRrVnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@posted.internetamerica>,
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

dkel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fa4b4f88-df5c-426b-8409-f1314e5dca57@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com.
..
Hi Two counter acting forces. Gravity pulls things together. Heat
pushes things apart. If even a gas is cold enough it will tend to
clump together by gravity. If enough clumps to gether, the gravity
will win out over the heating, caused by the clumping. Also, the
heat of clumping is quickly lost by radiation. As more tends to
clump, it takes more heat to disperse it. As long as there is more
gas to fall into this gravity center, it will get denser. It
continues to lose the heat of being compressed but as long as the
gravity gets larger, it continues to take more and more heat to
keep it from compressing together. Once enough hydrogen collects
and gets hot enough, a thermal fusing of hydrogen to helium will
take place. Mass is converted to energy that is the heat and light
we see of a star. This causes the star to expand, slowing the
conversion of hydrogen to helium. This regulates the burning of the
hydrogen to keep the star working for long periods of time. What is
so hard about that?

Several things. Just because space dust is cold will not make it
clump. You seem to be imagining ice crystals causing snowballs or
something, which could not happen in a vacuum.

You mean like comets?

And gravity will not pull space dust together.

Yes, it will.

Any more than salt in
a salt shaker will clump, as long as it is perfectly dry, as it in
space.

And you know this how?

And you are also imagining heat coming from only God knows where.

Well, there is the perfect gas law, which describes very accurately how
the temperature of a gas increases when the pressure is increased or the
volume is decreased. Indeed, Jupiter is emitting more heat than it
receives from the sun because the gases its made of are contracting
under gravitational pressure.
[/quote]
For all we know, Jupiter could also have a core of thorium to work
with. Of most anything that encounters Jupiter sticks within Jupiter,
and adds to the soup we see and detect as a mostly gas giant that>s
roughly 10% of becoming a star.

In other words, combine 10 Jupiters and you>d have a slightly larger
diameter of perhaps 1.5x that>s a worthy enough small star that could
rather nicely sustain all sorts of life as we know it upon its tidal
flex and IR heated moons.

When our sun goes red giant, even a Jupiter moon as is might look
inviting.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

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On Jul 24, 1:12 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]"Timberwoof" <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote in message

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In article <tp-dne7jd_AYTRrVnZ2dnUVZ_ovin...@posted.internetamerica>,
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

dkel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi Two counter acting forces. Gravity pulls things together. Heat
pushes things apart. If even a gas is cold enough it will tend to
clump together by gravity. If enough clumps to gether, the gravity
will win out over the heating, caused by the clumping. Also, the
heat of clumping is quickly lost by radiation. As more tends to
clump, it takes more heat to disperse it. As long as there is more
gas to fall into this gravity center, it will get denser. It
continues to lose the heat of being compressed but as long as the
gravity gets larger, it continues to take more and more heat to
keep it from compressing together. Once enough hydrogen collects
and gets hot enough, a thermal fusing of hydrogen to helium will
take place. Mass is converted to energy that is the heat and light
we see of a star. This causes the star to expand, slowing the
conversion of hydrogen to helium. This regulates the burning of the
hydrogen to keep the star working for long periods of time. What is
so hard about that?

Several things. Just because space dust is cold will not make it
clump. You seem to be imagining ice crystals causing snowballs or
something, which could not happen in a vacuum.

You mean like comets?

Comets cannot be just dirty snowballs, either, or the Sun would melt them
as they go around it

And gravity will not pull space dust together.

Yes, it will.

Next time you are in a place with dust, just observe. Without some
kind of help, it will not come together.

Any more than salt in
a salt shaker will clump, as long as it is perfectly dry, as it in
space.

And you know this how?

Get a salt shaker and observe. And there has to be liquid in space
for it not to be dry.

And you are also imagining heat coming from only God knows where.

Well, there is the perfect gas law, which describes very accurately how
the temperature of a gas increases when the pressure is increased or the
volume is decreased. Indeed, Jupiter is emitting more heat than it
receives from the sun because the gases its made of are contracting
under gravitational pressure.

But there is no pressure with loose particles of dust in space. <sigh

My comment about all this is to point out that when people are faced
with a lack of understanding, they grab upon the first idea which is
convenient. They will not abstain from jumping to conclusions until
the facts finally gloriously produce themselves.

I.E., no one knows how stars form from space dust, and neither do
you.

Yes, they do.

sigh, again> No, they just think that they do. And thinking that they do
is what is preventing them from knowing the reality of the situation.

If people did not jump to conclusions in this way, we could be on
space ships tomorrow going to the stars.

Well, if you know the secret, then explain it to us.

Until you learn the mechanics of planets orbitting the Sun, and how they
constantly accelerate, it will be close to impossible to explain any of it
to you.

You will be tripped up by things taught as facts in modern physics.
[/quote]
So, do tell us in your best SWAG, exactly how it all works. What the
hell are you waiting for?

BTW, Einstein was better than most at jumping to conclusions. At
least unlike yourself, Einstein and company of his puppet masters
tried to share and explain some of those conclusions. Whereas your
pathetic excuse is?????

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth


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