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Mark Earnest · Guest

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
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[quote]Maybe you noticed on the Apollo moon missions that dust stuck to the
boots of the astronauts? How could that possibly happen under your
views? Their boot prints are still up there with dust compressed in
the shapes on the soles of their boots. That dust is STICKING
TOGETHER!

Unless you>re a Moon landing naysayer, of course.

Saul Levy
[/quote]
Only in free outer space, there is nothing to compress the dust together.
Try again, please.

Timberwoof · Guest

In article <2gdd84pblkmc02utt1e9ds8aepk0bp4fkh@4ax.com>,
Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote:

[quote]No mystical nonsense needed!
[/quote]
Well, we naturalist-types don>t need mystical nonsense, but explanations
that don>t invoke a cuddly bearded Grandfather Sky God figure give some
people the willies. They *need* the mystical nonsense. There>s also some
appeal to having "secret" knowledge that bucks the "establishment",
especially if it isn>t subject to any real scientific investigation.

Remember whats-his-name who proposed that stars contain undiscovered
elements? It didn>t bother him at all that his quest to find an
alternative to the god-denying naturalistic science resulted in him
inventing an alternate *naturalistic* explanation, albeit one that made
no sense. And the fact that it made no sense didn>t bother him at all.
If nonsense bothers the naturalists, then there must be something good
and godlike about it. Or some such nonsense.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don>t blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

Mark Earnest · Guest

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
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[quote]Stars have one habit that>s a LAW too, Mark. They emit ENERGY! lmao!

I>m sure that>s a surprise for you, but they also have to GENERATE
that energy internally by some atomic process. Just using GRAVITY to
collapse a mass to generate energy does NOT produce a STAR and cannot
keep a STAR glowing for BILLIONS of years.

So STARS are readily noticable by looking for that energy. You cannot
hide even a tiny such energy source from infrared detectors. They
will stick out like sore thumbs.

No mystical nonsense needed!

Saul Levy
[/quote]
Nothing generates more energy than you put into it.

So there is no explanation as to how stars got all their energy to
begin with.

Unless you conceive of unknown elements.

It isn>t that mystical. It is just an expansion of chemistry.

[quote]

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:08:17 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19078-4885D6B8-237@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net...
What if there are more stars out side a galaxy that those that are the
structure of galaxies? Not hard to figure Galaxies for the most
part are so far away they are seen as a single dot of light. Some so far
away only detected by are great radio telescopes like the one in Chili.
What humankind can not detect does not mean its not out there. We could
put lone stars down for missing matter. Light from these stars obeys
the inverse square law. Light from these distant stars have to go
though gas and dust to hit the Earth. Lots of these distant stars that
were like our sun have in this spacetime evolved into types of dwarf
stars. All this makes this thinking reality. We can not rule out what
we can not detect. After all we are only human Best to keep in mind we
can not see most of the stars in our galaxy. Now I read the number of
stars in the Milky Way is up to 4 billion,or more That begs the
question How many stars in the very bright core? Bert

Lone stars in the vastness of intergalactic space?

How would we ever find them?

How could anyone ever even know about them?

How could the people of planets that orbit them ever manage trade
with other civilizations in space?[/quote]

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 23, 3:06 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote]Cactus saul Moon dust seems to have some magnetizim to it. I think it
is static electricity that creates this feature. We know it is not a
strong force because the rover wheels kicked it high up. We should have
done more research on the properties of moon dust. It begs the question
Is moon dust the very same as space dust? bert
[/quote]
You obviously still believe in the tooth fairy, as equally Apollo
devout and without a shred of objective evidence or peer replicated
science to boot. No wonder the New World Order and their Republican
Mafia likes to toy with you.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

G=EMC^2 Glazier · Guest

Cactus saul Moon dust seems to have some magnetizim to it. I think it
is static electricity that creates this feature. We know it is not a
strong force because the rover wheels kicked it high up. We should have
done more research on the properties of moon dust. It begs the question
Is moon dust the very same as space dust? bert

Saul Levy · Guest

I listened to Hoax to Hoax this morning. They had a FRAUD on talking
about Enochian magick. Almost forgot the k in there! lmao!

I could easily tell from the way he talked that it was all BULLSHIT!

He said: "Magick (k?) is real!"

Amazing how many WACKOS have been popping up lately...

Saul Levy

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:18:56 -0700, Timberwoof
<timberwoof.spam@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:

[quote]In article <2gdd84pblkmc02utt1e9ds8aepk0bp4fkh@4ax.com>,
Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote:

No mystical nonsense needed!

Well, we naturalist-types don>t need mystical nonsense, but explanations
that don>t invoke a cuddly bearded Grandfather Sky God figure give some
people the willies. They *need* the mystical nonsense. There>s also some
appeal to having "secret" knowledge that bucks the "establishment",
especially if it isn>t subject to any real scientific investigation.

Remember whats-his-name who proposed that stars contain undiscovered
elements? It didn>t bother him at all that his quest to find an
alternative to the god-denying naturalistic science resulted in him
inventing an alternate *naturalistic* explanation, albeit one that made
no sense. And the fact that it made no sense didn>t bother him at all.
If nonsense bothers the naturalists, then there must be something good
and godlike about it. Or some such nonsense.[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

Where>d I put that can of Pledge, BEERTbrain? lmao!

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:06:07 -0400, herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2
Glazier) wrote:

[quote]Cactus saul Moon dust seems to have some magnetizim to it. I think it
is static electricity that creates this feature. We know it is not a
strong force because the rover wheels kicked it high up. We should have
done more research on the properties of moon dust. It begs the question
Is moon dust the very same as space dust? bert[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

Which "advice" are you talking about, BradBoi? lmfjao!

Your reply is VERY CONFUSING!

Saul Levy

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:38:57 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]On Jul 22, 11:22 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message

news:2gdd84pblkmc02utt1e9ds8aepk0bp4fkh@4ax.com...

Stars have one habit that>s a LAW too, Mark. They emit ENERGY! lmao!

I>m sure that>s a surprise for you, but they also have to GENERATE
that energy internally by some atomic process. Just using GRAVITY to
collapse a mass to generate energy does NOT produce a STAR and cannot
keep a STAR glowing for BILLIONS of years.

So STARS are readily noticable by looking for that energy. You cannot
hide even a tiny such energy source from infrared detectors. They
will stick out like sore thumbs.

No mystical nonsense needed!

Saul Levy

Nothing generates more energy than you put into it.

So there is no explanation as to how stars got all their energy to
begin with.

Unless you conceive of unknown elements.

It isn>t that mystical. It is just an expansion of chemistry.

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:08:17 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglaz...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19078-4885D6B8-237@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net...
What if there are more stars out side a galaxy that those that are the
structure of galaxies? Not hard to figure Galaxies for the most
part are so far away they are seen as a single dot of light. Some so far
away only detected by are great radio telescopes like the one in Chili.
What humankind can not detect does not mean its not out there. We could
put lone stars down for missing matter. Light from these stars obeys
the inverse square law. Light from these distant stars have to go
though gas and dust to hit the Earth. Lots of these distant stars that
were like our sun have in this spacetime evolved into types of dwarf
stars. All this makes this thinking reality. We can not rule out what
we can not detect. After all we are only human Best to keep in mind we
can not see most of the stars in our galaxy. Now I read the number of
stars in the Milky Way is up to 4 billion,or more That begs the
question How many stars in the very bright core? Bert

Lone stars in the vastness of intergalactic space?

How would we ever find them?

How could anyone ever even know about them?

How could the people of planets that orbit them ever manage trade
with other civilizations in space?

That>s very good advise. Too bad the faith-based mainstream isn>t
buying into any of it.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

Poor Mark. Still hoping for an answer that fits his lack of
knowledge! lmao!

I already told you what it is: Gravity and the sticking together of
atoms. Join enough atoms and it will compress itself.

No mystic nonsense needed.

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:17:48 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:7tdd84dkqro0r2k09iigiaqhinaf0335fc@4ax.com...
Maybe you noticed on the Apollo moon missions that dust stuck to the
boots of the astronauts? How could that possibly happen under your
views? Their boot prints are still up there with dust compressed in
the shapes on the soles of their boots. That dust is STICKING
TOGETHER!

Unless you>re a Moon landing naysayer, of course.

Saul Levy

Only in free outer space, there is nothing to compress the dust together.
Try again, please.[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

Stars do, Mark! By a LONG SHOT! lmao! It>s called FUSION!

Contrary to your belief system, chemistry studies KNOWN elements. The
unknown ones have already all been discovered.

You can generate NEW atoms in an atomic reactor or accellerator.

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:22:15 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:2gdd84pblkmc02utt1e9ds8aepk0bp4fkh@4ax.com...
Stars have one habit that>s a LAW too, Mark. They emit ENERGY! lmao!

I>m sure that>s a surprise for you, but they also have to GENERATE
that energy internally by some atomic process. Just using GRAVITY to
collapse a mass to generate energy does NOT produce a STAR and cannot
keep a STAR glowing for BILLIONS of years.

So STARS are readily noticable by looking for that energy. You cannot
hide even a tiny such energy source from infrared detectors. They
will stick out like sore thumbs.

No mystical nonsense needed!

Saul Levy

Nothing generates more energy than you put into it.

So there is no explanation as to how stars got all their energy to
begin with.

Unless you conceive of unknown elements.

It isn>t that mystical. It is just an expansion of chemistry.[/quote]

Mark Earnest · Guest

"BradGuth" <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c87dfd5a-8092-4080-8877-a958b38bef92@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
[quote]On Jul 22, 11:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message

news:7tdd84dkqro0r2k09iigiaqhinaf0335fc@4ax.com...

Maybe you noticed on the Apollo moon missions that dust stuck to the
boots of the astronauts? How could that possibly happen under your
views? Their boot prints are still up there with dust compressed in
the shapes on the soles of their boots. That dust is STICKING
TOGETHER!

Unless you>re a Moon landing naysayer, of course.

Saul Levy

Only in free outer space, there is nothing to compress the dust together.
Try again, please.

TeraVolts of an electrostatic charge shouldn>t be discounted, and then
a good many meteorites have been know to be a little magnetic.
[/quote]
That is total nonsense. If the world is held together by magnetism, iron
would
stick to the ground.

Try again please.
How does space dust collect to form stars?

Mark Earnest · Guest

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:qfbe84lgg8297m2pb408pj3nqn3sb6dl9i@4ax.com...
[quote]Poor Mark. Still hoping for an answer that fits his lack of
knowledge! lmao!

I already told you what it is: Gravity and the sticking together of
atoms. Join enough atoms and it will compress itself.

No mystic nonsense needed.

Saul Levy
[/quote]
You still haven>t shown how free hydrogen atoms stick together
in outer space.

If atoms tend to stick together, then why don>t they stick together
when you burst a helium baloon?

Try again please.
How does the dust of stars stick together?

dkelvey@hotmail.com · Guest

On Jul 23, 10:39 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]"BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:c87dfd5a-8092-4080-8877-a958b38bef92@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 22, 11:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message

news:7tdd84dkqro0r2k09iigiaqhinaf0335fc@4ax.com...

Maybe you noticed on the Apollo moon missions that dust stuck to the
boots of the astronauts? How could that possibly happen under your
views? Their boot prints are still up there with dust compressed in
the shapes on the soles of their boots. That dust is STICKING
TOGETHER!

Unless you>re a Moon landing naysayer, of course.

Saul Levy

Only in free outer space, there is nothing to compress the dust together.
Try again, please.

TeraVolts of an electrostatic charge shouldn>t be discounted, and then
a good many meteorites have been know to be a little magnetic.

That is total nonsense. If the world is held together by magnetism, iron
would
stick to the ground.

Try again please.
How does space dust collect to form stars?
[/quote]

Hi
Two counter acting forces. Gravity pulls things together. Heat pushes
things
apart. If even a gas is cold enough it will tend to clump together by
gravity.
If enough clumps to gether, the gravity will win out over the heating,
caused
by the clumping. Also, the heat of clumping is quickly lost by
radiation.
As more tends to clump, it takes more heat to disperse it. As long as
there is
more gas to fall into this gravity center, it will get denser. It
continues to
lose the heat of being compressed but as long as the gravity gets
larger,
it continues to take more and more heat to keep it from compressing
together.
Once enough hydrogen collects and gets hot enough, a thermal fusing
of hydrogen to helium will take place. Mass is converted to energy
that
is the heat and light we see of a star. This causes the star to
expand,
slowing the conversion of hydrogen to helium. This regulates the
burning
of the hydrogen to keep the star working for long periods of time.
What is so hard about that?
Dwight

dkelvey@hotmail.com · Guest

On Jul 22, 6:42 pm, Jeff$B"%(BRelf <Jeff_R...@0.Invalid> wrote:
[quote]95 percent of the Milky Way>s gravitational mass remains unseen,
lurking on the outer edge of the visible stars !

Conversely, 99 percent of the mass in our solar system
is in the sun, at the very center.
Why is the solar system so different than the Milky Way ?

Hopefully, I>ll live long enough to see this mystery revealed.
[/quote]

Hi
First, the unseen mass of the galaxy seems to be relatively evenly
destributed
throughout the galaxy( including our solar system ). Where our galaxy
seems
to be flat or disk shaped, the unknown mass seems to be spherically
distributed
around and through the plane of the galaxy.
Our solar system is so small compared to the dementions of the galaxy
that
any effect of the local hidden mass would be too small to detect. The
spacing
of our solar system compared to the distances to other stars is
enormously small.
Galaxies are quite close together, compared to there size, unlike
stars in a
galaxy.
You need to consider the scale of things. Even our solar system is a
tiny speck
compare to the demensions of a galaxy. Why would you expect something
at
galactic scales to be relevant at solar system scales.
From a galactic scale, there isn>t enough difference in the diameter
of the solar
system to consider it different than the diameter of the sun. Both are
just specks.
Dwight

Saul Levy · Guest

Iron is very HEAVY, Mark. It does stick to the ground! lmao!

Do you see any ROCKS flying around? No!

I already answered that question. Atoms STICK to each other.

See: http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/~kaler/sow/star_intro.html

as an example. Read The birth of stars section about 1/3 of the way
down that page and the Hydrogen fusion: proton- proton chain a few
sections above that one.

James Kaler is a well known astronomer and expert in star formation.

There are many other examples.

Saul Levy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:39:55 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]
"BradGuth" <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c87dfd5a-8092-4080-8877-a958b38bef92@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 22, 11:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message

news:7tdd84dkqro0r2k09iigiaqhinaf0335fc@4ax.com...

Maybe you noticed on the Apollo moon missions that dust stuck to the
boots of the astronauts? How could that possibly happen under your
views? Their boot prints are still up there with dust compressed in
the shapes on the soles of their boots. That dust is STICKING
TOGETHER!

Unless you>re a Moon landing naysayer, of course.

Saul Levy

Only in free outer space, there is nothing to compress the dust together.
Try again, please.

TeraVolts of an electrostatic charge shouldn>t be discounted, and then
a good many meteorites have been know to be a little magnetic.

That is total nonsense. If the world is held together by magnetism, iron
would
stick to the ground.

Try again please.
How does space dust collect to form stars?[/quote]


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