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Robert H. Lewis
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 Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians? |
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[quote]rAgAv wrote:
Hello,
I>m a highschool graduate and I>m going to major in
Mathematics this
Fall. I would like to have a foundation in
programming so that it
would be useful in my later career as a
mathematician with interests
in logic, numerical analysis, formal systems and
that sort.
I don>t know enough technicalities to seek the
right sort of
programming that I should learn now. I wish to hear
advice on what
sort of programming skills a pure mathematician
would find useful.....
The best language to learn might be the one suggested
in your course.
[/quote]
Course? No course was mentioned by the OP. If he takes a programming course, then of course that is a major consideration. But the real point is what sorts of courses should he take, if any.
[quote]I personally don>t know python at all, Sage, which is
based on Python
looks to be quite an interesting computer algebra
system and has the
advantage of being free.
You might also try looking at job adds in your
proposed field, and
seeing what they want.....
Dave
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I think this is really jumping the gun. The OP is not even a freshman in college yet. Many, many mathematically inclined students change majors in college.
The main point is pedagogy. I echo the thoughts of another poster (sorry, there have been so many replies I can>t find the one I>m thinking of) who said basically let>s not rush things. In other words, what counts here is education, not training. The point is to build up conceptual depth. Develop and use algorithmic thinking to explore some great mathematical topics, like number theory.
I also agree with those who said that C and Java are ill suited to this purpose.
Robert H. Lewis
Fordham University
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Mehran Basti
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: Re: Articles on Mathematics |
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M.Jagger wrote:
[quote]Hi,
I would like to discuss the following preprint written by me and another
author. I would highly appreciate a your personal comment and insight
before submission.
Sincerely, Dr. M. Jagger, PhD.
[/quote]
I am sure there are individuals willing to ask questions from
Dr.M.Jagger about the project.
But these individuals not willing to go public for their questions.
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Mehran Basti
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Welcome to Basti Newsgroups (sites) |
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rvvallance@googlemail.com wrote:
[quote]Hi,
I tried to subscribe to your newsgroup, to discuss the artical have
recently submitted to the American Journal of Mathematics.
Dr. R Vallance Ph.D.
University College London
The Influence of Decentralized Technology on Robotics
Dr. R Vallance Ph.D, department of Mathematics, University College
London.
I am sure there are individuals willing to ask questions from[/quote]
Dr.R.Vallance about the project.
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Basti Newsgroups are mainly in a closed environment and only members
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Dave
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians? |
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Robert H. Lewis wrote:
[quote]rAgAv wrote:
Hello,
I>m a highschool graduate and I>m going to major in
Mathematics this
Fall. I would like to have a foundation in
programming so that it
would be useful in my later career as a
mathematician with interests
in logic, numerical analysis, formal systems and
that sort.
I don>t know enough technicalities to seek the
right sort of
programming that I should learn now. I wish to hear
advice on what
sort of programming skills a pure mathematician
would find useful.....
The best language to learn might be the one suggested
in your course.
Course? No course was mentioned by the OP. If he takes a programming course, then of course that is a major consideration. But the real point is what sorts of courses should he take, if any.
[/quote]
I think this is a case of not me, as an Englishmen, not understanding
the America terminology. I thought "to major in mathematics" was
basically to do a maths degree, or at least take maths to a fairly high
level.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:24 am Post subject: Re: 2401 Solutions manuals |
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I need solution manual for this book today only Internet & World Wide
Web: How to Program (4th Ed., Harvey & Paul
Deitel) |
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Robert H. Lewis
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians? |
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[quote]Robert H. Lewis wrote:
.....
The best language to learn might be the one
suggested
in your course.
Course? No course was mentioned by the OP. If he
takes a programming course, then of course that is a
major consideration. But the real point is what
sorts of courses should he take, if any.
I think this is a case of not me, as an Englishmen,
not understanding
the America terminology. I thought "to major in
mathematics" was
basically to do a maths degree, or at least take
maths to a fairly high
level.
Dave
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Maybe we>re using "course" in a different sense. By "course" I mean one class in a semester, like to take Calculus I, meeting probably three hours per week for 15 weeks. That>s "one course." Typically a student needs 11-13 such courses to complete a math major. In many math majors in the US, courses in computer programming are recommended. They are often not required. Some departments provide their own programming instruction in various ways.
Robert H. Lewis
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: irrelevance of our favorite languages |
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On Jun 25, 1:43 pm, rjf <fate...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Queue, a magazine published by ACM (Association for Computing
Machinery), surveys its readers each year in order to establish the
statistics of its reader base, presumably for advertisers. Among the
questions, it asks
7. Which programming languages do you know/use, or plan to purchase
within 12 months? (check all that apply)
The languages are:
[/quote]
[snip]
[quote]Note the absence of computer algebra systems, numerical or engineering
systems, Python, Ruby, Lisp, (or any "functional programming" style
languages), etc. Clearly someone should invent a programming
language called "Other" or maybe call it "None".
Maybe it is not that the languages are irrelevant, but the Queue
magazine is.
[/quote]
I am surprised by the selection of "programming languages", too.
XML is clearly *not* a programming language. XSLT is a language for
transforming XML documents, but this language is not on the list.
I can>t understand why the question asked which languages the students
"plan to purchase". A lot of programming languages' compilers are
freely available.
Just my two cents... |
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Robert H. Lewis
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: Programming skills required by mathematicians? |
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[quote]On Jun 25, 2:40Â am, rAgAv
ragav.pa...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I>m a highschool graduate and I>m going to major in
Mathematics this
Fall. I would like to have a foundation in
programming so that it
would be useful in my later career as a
mathematician with interests
in logic, numerical analysis, formal systems and
that sort.....
Beats me. What would a "pure mathematician" do with
computer
programming? As an EE grad student, my thesis
adviser was from the
math department and taught a graduate class on
numerical analysis. He
authored papers mostly on finite element analysis of
fluid flow. I
always thought of him as an applied mathematician.
The other math
professors that I knew only used a computer for word
processing.
[/quote]
For at least fifteen years there has been a journal called "Experimental Mathematics." Most of the articles are programming used in pure mathematics. I have personally published there twice.
Computer Search for Nilpotent Complexes (with Guy Moore), Experimental Mathematics 6 (1997) p. 239 - 246.
Isomorphism Classes and Derived Series of Almost-Free Groups (with Sal Liriano), Experimental Mathematics 3 (1994).
The first one is algebraic topology, the second is group theory.
Robert H. Lewis
Fordham University
New York
http://home.bway.net/lewis/ |
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Mehran Basti
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Welcome to Basti Newsgroups (sites) |
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rvvallance@googlemail.com wrote:
[quote]
Hi,
I tried to subscribe to your newsgroup, to discuss the artical have
recently submitted to the American Journal of Mathematics.
Dr. R Vallance Ph.D.
University College London
I could not locate your name on the mathematics department of[/quote]
University College, London.
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Mehran Basti
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Articles on Mathematics |
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M.Jagger wrote:
[quote]Hi,
I would like to discuss the following preprint written by me and another
author. I would highly appreciate a your personal comment and insight
before submission.
Sincerely, Dr. M. Jagger, PhD.
Comparing Local-Area Networks and the Internet M. Jagger and A. Senna da
Silva
[/quote]
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M.Jagger
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:09 am Post subject: Re: Articles on Mathematics |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:39:03 -0700, Mehran Basti wrote:
[quote]M.Jagger wrote:
Hi,
I would like to discuss the following preprint written by me and
another author. I would highly appreciate a your personal comment and
insight before submission.
Sincerely, Dr. M. Jagger, PhD.
Comparing Local-Area Networks and the Internet M. Jagger and A. Senna
da Silva
What is the name of your institution? Field of study or department?
Sure.[/quote]
Stones University, UK.
Currently more than 100 publications. |
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Mehran Basti
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Articles on Mathematics |
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M.Jagger wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:39:03 -0700, Mehran Basti wrote:
M.Jagger wrote:
Hi,
I would like to discuss the following preprint written by me and
another author. I would highly appreciate a your personal comment and
insight before submission.
Sincerely, Dr. M. Jagger, PhD.
Comparing Local-Area Networks and the Internet M. Jagger and A. Senna
da Silva
What is the name of your institution? Field of study or department?
Sure.
Stones University, UK.
Currently more than 100 publications.
[/quote]
It has been a kind of evolutionary process for me to reach in this
stage, and create Basti Newsgroups.
Please think about registering in a suitable newsgroup site, I can
even open up a new site for you or your colleagues for experimental
purposes subject to Form A.
I happen to have difficulties to find Stones University, UK on the
Internet, is it part of another university?
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