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caldervangogh@gmail.com
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 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: Re: Genographic, is worthwhile doing the test? |
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On Jun 23, 2:03 am, Daryl Krupa <icycal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 8:55 am, "caldervang...@gmail.com"
caldervang...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 8:02 am, Daryl Krupa <icycal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Climate does not produce races of people.
If it did, then Namibians would have
the same colouration as Hibernians, because
both derive from foggy countries.
snip
Therefore, the Neanderthals are not short and stocky in order to
withstand the cold in Northern Europe? Science must have a new and
different explanation for the body build of the neanderthals?
Science must have not "a new and different explanation
for the body build of the neanderthals", but one that
allows for that general phenotype in different climates,
and in locations far away from Northern Europe.
Fewer Neanderthal remains have been found in
Northern Europe than in Southern Europe, and
the lands east of the Mediterranean Sea are
not known for being cold, at least not cold enough
to do the sort of environmental forcing that you envisage.
More to the point, Neanderthals seem to have
trended towards more-gracile, less-robust forms
as climate was generally getting colder.
Yes, many Neanderthals exhibited characteristics that
would be advantageous in cold environments.
However, we don>t know if they first developed those
characteristics and then migrated into colder regions,
or if they developed those characteristics through
process of elimination of less-cold-tolerant individuals
after some less-short, less-stocky ancestors
migrated into colder regions.
The idea that climate forces physical characters is
only an hypothesis. It is really just an observation,
not a theory of human development.
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I believe there are some peer-reviewed articles claiming that the HN
physical shape and size is naturally selected by the climate they
lived under. Therefore, I am only asking for a link to peer-reviewed
articles about the non-existence of race. Somebody better tell the
legislature in my state (NC), today, right now, that race doesn>t
exist. They are busy passing a new law about race...
okay, so it is just a hypothesis. Is there an alternate
hypothesis? .
[quote] If it were true, then the people of Namibia and
the people of Greenland would not be both
short-statured and short-nosed and have
epicanthial folds and speak with "clicking" sounds.
does anybody have a good reference for any of the
"race doesn>t exist" stuff?
And while we>re at it,
does anybody have a good reference for any of the
"fairies don>t exist" stuff?
- Daryl Krupa
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http://listverse.com/miscellaneous/top-10-famous-hoaxes/
There>s a good ref for the fairies! <grin> (Daryl, I don>t have a
real axe to grind with you, but almost have to agree with Paul on some
of this race biz. I was only pointing out that you used the word
"racist" incorrectly, in my humble opinion, according to at least two
dictionary definitions.)
regards
calder |
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Tom McDonald
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: Re: On Living Forever |
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Cory Albrecht wrote:
[quote]jonatthehelm@gmail.com wrote:
You know, I>ll bet we>ve got alien folks, that is, people here
visiting us from far away places, reading the stuff we type on the
internet, and answering posts, pretending they are just regular people
living on this planet, but in fact, they are hacked into our network,
Damm! How did you figure me out? I;m actually an intelligent squid from
Rigel Kentaurus.
And if you believe that, I have a bridge on Aldebaran to sell you.
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Is there much traffic on that bridge? |
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Tom McDonald
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: Re: On Living Forever |
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Cory Albrecht wrote:
[quote]jonatthehelm@gmail.com wrote:
You know, I>ll bet we>ve got alien folks, that is, people here
visiting us from far away places, reading the stuff we type on the
internet, and answering posts, pretending they are just regular people
living on this planet, but in fact, they are hacked into our network,
Damm! How did you figure me out? I;m actually an intelligent squid from
Rigel Kentaurus.
And if you believe that, I have a bridge on Aldebaran to sell you.
[/quote]
Is there much traffic on that bridge? |
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Masked Avenger
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Plants That Help Us In Our Search For Eternal Youth |
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jonatthehelm@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 8:54 am, jonattheh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 23, 8:46 am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
jonattheh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 22, 11:01 pm, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dwight E. Howell wrote:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
jonattheh...@gmail.com wrote:
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Oh I believe you 'think' that all this is happening .......... but I
seriously doubt anyone else does ....... I suspect that you>ve not only
had your brain washed ...... but you>ve had it waxed as well .......
seriously mate ........ stop taking the red ones ....... try the blue
ones next time .....
--
MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
............. and I>m not sure about the Universe ..........
- A. Einstein
Does Schrödinger>s cat have 18 half lives ?
Don>t tell me? You are one of the folks visiting here from far away,
as I call them, you know, aliens? You sure sound like you>re
pretending to be a dingbat, just for the fun of it. Having fun? Good
for you. How are your women, anyway? Humm? Tasty? Say hello to one of
them, for me. Bye.
Jonjon
Mistake on my part. They don>t goof ball us, they let the idiot white
folks and black folks, etc., hanging around with them, goof ball us,
for them. They tend to not to want to get involved, as it isn>t really
their game. I have no time for this crap, any further. Very funny,
isn>t it. Ah well....
Jonjon
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If you have no time for this crap ....... why are you still here posting
this crap ? ....... I mean you have spent way too long on the Opium
sunshine ........ seek help ......
--
MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
.............. and I>m not sure about the Universe ..........
- A. Einstein
Does Schrödinger>s cat have 18 half lives ? |
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Cory Albrecht
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: On Living Forever |
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Tom McDonald wrote:
[quote]Cory Albrecht wrote:
jonatthehelm@gmail.com wrote:
You know, I>ll bet we>ve got alien folks, that is, people here
visiting us from far away places, reading the stuff we type on the
internet, and answering posts, pretending they are just regular people
living on this planet, but in fact, they are hacked into our network,
Damm! How did you figure me out? I;m actually an intelligent squid from
Rigel Kentaurus.
And if you believe that, I have a bridge on Aldebaran to sell you.
Is there much traffic on that bridge?
[/quote]
Not really, but the upkeep is quite a toll which is why I>m looking to sell. |
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Paul Crowley
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Genographic, is worthwhile doing the test? |
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"Daryl Krupa" <icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[quote]The idea that climate forces physical characters is
only an hypothesis. It is really just an observation,
not a theory of human development.
[/quote]
So animals that live in arctic and near-arctic
regions do not have thick fur? Nor is it
usually white? And the absence of (say)
tree-frogs is merely one of those curious
happenstances of nature?
This is a classic demonstration of how
doctrine produces anti-science. It>s the
same result whether the doctine is Biblical,
Koranic, Nazi, Soviet, or the modern
Politically-Correct.
[quote]If it were true, then the people of Namibia and
the people of Greenland would not be both
short-statured and short-nosed and have
epicanthial folds and speak with "clicking" sounds.
[/quote]
One major difference between the two
populations is the colour of their skin.
This may have something to do with the
fact that Namibia is around 23 degrees
from the equator, whereas populated
Greenland is at a latitude of around 62
degrees -- meaning that the sun barely
appears abover the horizon in mid-
winter.
If a population from one country went to
live in the other, and lived traditional local
lives they would suffer greatly -- the ex-
Namibians from frostbite and much else,
the ex-Greenlanders from heat-stroke,
burnt skin, skin cancer, and much else.
As we all know, they simply could not do
it. They would not survive. Likewise a
European would not survive in Africa
without modern (or special) protection,
and Africans would have great difficulty
in Northern Europe.
We live in a world of 'ethnicities' -- the
word 'race' is no longer politically correct.
We see it all the time. Here is an article
from yesterday, on the fact that 'ethnic
infant mortality' is much higher than that
of the local population in the U.K.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7471874.stm
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=E351093450A22E94B160F0244644C42F.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=25465
It is also well-known that certain ethnic
groups have much higher incidence of
schizophrenia and paranoia -- producing
admission rates 18 times greater than the
rest of the population.
Yet so swamped are we with 'politically-
correct' thinking, that there is no room for
sensible consideration of such matters.
IMHO it may have much to do with lack
of exposure to the sun. Its effects on
Vitamin-D are well-known, but there are
probably another few thousand metabolic
compounds not yet identified also affected
by sunlight. Of course, I may be quite
wrong, and the answer could be elsewhere.
But if you are as stupid as Daryl Krupa and
the bulk of modern PA people, no answer
will ever emerge -- since the problem can
never be stated out loud.
[quote]does anybody have a good reference for any of the
"race doesn>t exist" stuff?
And while we>re at it,
does anybody have a good reference for any of the
"fairies don>t exist" stuff?
[/quote]
There are many stories about fairies,
and it is very easy to see their lack of
objective evidence. But racial features
-- like white or black skin, or red hair or
epicanthial folds -- are somewhat hard
to miss.
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Daryl Krupa
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: Racist demagoguery, is worthwhile doing the test? |
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On Jun 25, 6:10 am, "Paul Crowley"
<slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> wrote:
[quote]"Daryl Krupa" <icycal...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1ab848af-71c1-4ac3-92bc-e76185e92f5e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
The idea that climate forces physical characters is
only an hypothesis. It is really just an observation,
not a theory of human development.
So animals that live in arctic and near-arctic
regions do not have thick fur? Nor is it
usually white? And the absence of (say)
tree-frogs is merely one of those curious
happenstances of nature?
[/quote]
These examples are not germane to human development.
Those are different species of animals in different climates.
Are you implying that Arctic peoples are not of the species
_Homo sapiens_?
[quote]This is a classic demonstration of how
doctrine produces anti-science. It>s the
same result whether the doctine is Biblical,
Koranic, Nazi, Soviet, or the modern
Politically-Correct.
[/quote]
You r conception of what is "Politically-Correct" is your own,
and does not apply to other people.
You are a rank solipsist.
[quote] If it were true, then the people of Namibia and
the people of Greenland would not be both
short-statured and short-nosed and have
epicanthial folds and speak with "clicking" sounds.
One major difference between the two
populations is the colour of their skin.
This may have something to do with the
fact that Namibia is around 23 degrees
from the equator, whereas populated
Greenland is at a latitude of around 62
degrees -- meaning that the sun barely
appears abover the horizon in mid-
winter.
[/quote]
You are wrong, you r**ist b***ard.
The average Namibian is not particularly dark, and
I have seen pictures of Inuit who are darker than
the average Namibian native person.
[quote]If a population from one country went to
live in the other, and lived traditional local
lives they would suffer greatly -- the ex-
Namibians from frostbite and much else,
the ex-Greenlanders from heat-stroke,
burnt skin, skin cancer, and much else.
As we all know, they simply could not do
it. They would not survive.
[/quote]
You have no way of knowing that,
nor do we "all" know that;
your claims are not based in fact, but rather in
your narrow, bigoted, rigid gestalt.
[quote] Likewise a European would not survive in Africa
without modern (or special) protection,
[/quote]
This is manifestly untrue:
Europeans thrived and ruled in African countries
for generations, and many of their regimes
had to be displaced with military force.
[quote]and Africans would have great difficulty
in Northern Europe.
[/quote]
Perhaps, but mostly because of silly, malicious
pig-headed simple-minded biased categorisation
like yours, not because of the physical environment:
http://ecas2007.aegis-eu.org/ViewAbstract.aspx?PaperID=407
<snip shift to "ethnicities" as an erroneous synonym for "races">
[quote]Yet so swamped are we with 'politically-
correct' thinking, that there is no room for
sensible consideration of such matters.
[/quote]
"Sensible"? Hah!
<snip mention of environmental effects that
does not support a defence of racist concepts>
[quote]But if you are as stupid as Daryl Krupa and
the bulk of modern PA people, no answer
will ever emerge -- since the problem can
never be stated out loud.
snip Fairy tale[/quote]
[quote] But racial features -- like
white or black skin, or red hair or epicanthial folds --
are somewhat hard to miss.
[/quote]
Do you miss the epicanthial folds in this picture of a famous
African?
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/67/75567-004.jpg
You definitions of "race" are indefensible.
Do, please, go away, now.
- Daryl Krupa |
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