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Of course one has to ask how they know it is hebrew if they cannot read it.
No photo of inscription provided. Another example of reading the bible into
anything found EVEN WHEN found in a land dated to the time of Egyptian rule.
Expect another example of Phoenician if you ever find a drawing of the
inscription.
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Reuters
Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:06pm EDT
By Ari Rabinovitch
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Archaeologists in Israel said on Thursday they had
unearthed the oldest Hebrew text ever found, while excavating a fortress
city overlooking a valley where the Bible says David slew Goliath.
The dig>s uncovering of the past near the ancient battlefield in the Valley
of Elah, now home to wineries and a satellite station, could have
implications for the emotional debate over the future of Jerusalem, some 20
km (12 miles) away.
Archaeologists from the Hebrew University said they found five lines of text
written in black ink on a shard of pottery dug up at a five-acre
(two-hectare) site called Elah Fortress, or Khirbet Qeiyafa.
Experts have not yet been able to decipher the text fully, but carbon dating
of artifacts found at the site indicates the Hebrew inscription was written
about 3,000 years ago, predating the Dead Sea Scrolls by 1,000 years, the
archaeologists said.
Several words, including "judge," "slave" and "king," could be identified
and the experts said they hoped the text would shed light on how alphabetic
scripts developed.
In a finding that could have symbolic value for Israel, the archaeologists
said other items discovered at the fortress dig indicated there was most
likely a strong king and central government in Jerusalem during the period
scholars believe that David ruled the holy city and ancient Israel.
Modern-day Israel often cites a biblical connection through David to
Jerusalem in supporting its claim, which has not won recognition
internationally, to all of the city as its "eternal and indivisible
capital."
Palestinians, saying biblical claims have been superseded by the
long-standing Arab population in Jerusalem, want the eastern part of the
city, captured by Israel in a 1967 war, to be the capital of the state they
hope to establish in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
"The chronology and geography of Khirbet Qeiyafa create a unique meeting
point between the mythology, history, historiography and archaeology of King
David," said Yosef Garfinkel, the lead archaeologist at the fortress site.
(Editing by Giles Elgood)
© Thomson Reuters 2008 All rights reserved
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imipak
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Untranlatable ""hebrew" discovered; more proof positive |
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On Oct 30, 6:27 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote] Of course one has to ask how they know it is hebrew if they cannot read it.
No photo of inscription provided. Another example of reading the bible into
anything found EVEN WHEN found in a land dated to the time of Egyptian rule.
Expect another example of Phoenician if you ever find a drawing of the
inscription.
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Reuters
Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:06pm EDT
By Ari Rabinovitch
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Archaeologists in Israel said on Thursday they had
unearthed the oldest Hebrew text ever found, while excavating a fortress
city overlooking a valley where the Bible says David slew Goliath.
The dig>s uncovering of the past near the ancient battlefield in the Valley
of Elah, now home to wineries and a satellite station, could have
implications for the emotional debate over the future of Jerusalem, some 20
km (12 miles) away.
Archaeologists from the Hebrew University said they found five lines of text
written in black ink on a shard of pottery dug up at a five-acre
(two-hectare) site called Elah Fortress, or Khirbet Qeiyafa.
Experts have not yet been able to decipher the text fully, but carbon dating
of artifacts found at the site indicates the Hebrew inscription was written
about 3,000 years ago, predating the Dead Sea Scrolls by 1,000 years, the
archaeologists said.
Several words, including "judge," "slave" and "king," could be identified
and the experts said they hoped the text would shed light on how alphabetic
scripts developed.
In a finding that could have symbolic value for Israel, the archaeologists
said other items discovered at the fortress dig indicated there was most
likely a strong king and central government in Jerusalem during the period
scholars believe that David ruled the holy city and ancient Israel.
Modern-day Israel often cites a biblical connection through David to
Jerusalem in supporting its claim, which has not won recognition
internationally, to all of the city as its "eternal and indivisible
capital."
Palestinians, saying biblical claims have been superseded by the
long-standing Arab population in Jerusalem, want the eastern part of the
city, captured by Israel in a 1967 war, to be the capital of the state they
hope to establish in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
"The chronology and geography of Khirbet Qeiyafa create a unique meeting
point between the mythology, history, historiography and archaeology of King
David," said Yosef Garfinkel, the lead archaeologist at the fortress site..
(Editing by Giles Elgood)
© Thomson Reuters 2008 All rights reserved
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Choices in life come as package deals, not a la carte.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4059
http://www.giwersworld.org/holo3/holo-survivors.phtmla3
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1. The BBC website has a photo. It is not Phoenician.
2. The inscription cannot -FULLY- be read. That word "fully" is there
for a reason and is not for decorative purposes. Some words can be
read perfectly well.
3. The amount of deciphered text is not stated, but can be taken as
sufficient to know the language.
4. Despite what the Bush administration might want to think, regarding
illegal immigration, borders throughout the world are porous and
always have been.
5. Cynicism without evidence, particularly if the cynicism is clearly
contrived, is not the same as level-headed skepticism. Skeptics are
rarely cynics.
6. I would advise getting more information than a Reuters science
fanzine scribble before critiquing the work. If you don>t know what
they>ve found, you haven>t grounds to argue what it isn>t. |
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Cormac
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Untranlatable ""hebrew" discovered; more proof positive |
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On Oct 31, 1:59 am, imipak <imi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 6:27 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
Of course one has to ask how they know it is hebrew if they cannot read it.
No photo of inscription provided. Another example of reading the bible into
anything found EVEN WHEN found in a land dated to the time of Egyptian rule.
Expect another example of Phoenician if you ever find a drawing of the
inscription.
====
Reuters
Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:06pm EDT
By Ari Rabinovitch
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Archaeologists in Israel said on Thursday they had
unearthed the oldest Hebrew text ever found, while excavating a fortress
city overlooking a valley where the Bible says David slew Goliath.
[/quote]
The new evidence inicates clearly that Hebrew script is ca 3,000 years
old.
David and Solomon remain myths unles evidence for their existence is
found.
Cormac. |
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Martin Edwards
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Untranlatable ""hebrew" discovered; more proof positive |
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imipak wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 6:27 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
Of course one has to ask how they know it is hebrew if they cannot read it.
No photo of inscription provided. Another example of reading the bible into
anything found EVEN WHEN found in a land dated to the time of Egyptian rule.
Expect another example of Phoenician if you ever find a drawing of the
inscription.
=====
Reuters
Archaeologists report finding oldest Hebrew text
Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:06pm EDT
By Ari Rabinovitch
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Archaeologists in Israel said on Thursday they had
unearthed the oldest Hebrew text ever found, while excavating a fortress
city overlooking a valley where the Bible says David slew Goliath.
The dig>s uncovering of the past near the ancient battlefield in the Valley
of Elah, now home to wineries and a satellite station, could have
implications for the emotional debate over the future of Jerusalem, some 20
km (12 miles) away.
Archaeologists from the Hebrew University said they found five lines of text
written in black ink on a shard of pottery dug up at a five-acre
(two-hectare) site called Elah Fortress, or Khirbet Qeiyafa.
Experts have not yet been able to decipher the text fully, but carbon dating
of artifacts found at the site indicates the Hebrew inscription was written
about 3,000 years ago, predating the Dead Sea Scrolls by 1,000 years, the
archaeologists said.
Several words, including "judge," "slave" and "king," could be identified
and the experts said they hoped the text would shed light on how alphabetic
scripts developed.
In a finding that could have symbolic value for Israel, the archaeologists
said other items discovered at the fortress dig indicated there was most
likely a strong king and central government in Jerusalem during the period
scholars believe that David ruled the holy city and ancient Israel.
Modern-day Israel often cites a biblical connection through David to
Jerusalem in supporting its claim, which has not won recognition
internationally, to all of the city as its "eternal and indivisible
capital."
Palestinians, saying biblical claims have been superseded by the
long-standing Arab population in Jerusalem, want the eastern part of the
city, captured by Israel in a 1967 war, to be the capital of the state they
hope to establish in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
"The chronology and geography of Khirbet Qeiyafa create a unique meeting
point between the mythology, history, historiography and archaeology of King
David," said Yosef Garfinkel, the lead archaeologist at the fortress site.
(Editing by Giles Elgood)
© Thomson Reuters 2008 All rights reserved
--
Choices in life come as package deals, not a la carte.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4059
http://www.giwersworld.org/holo3/holo-survivors.phtmla3
1. The BBC website has a photo. It is not Phoenician.
2. The inscription cannot -FULLY- be read. That word "fully" is there
for a reason and is not for decorative purposes. Some words can be
read perfectly well.
3. The amount of deciphered text is not stated, but can be taken as
sufficient to know the language.
4. Despite what the Bush administration might want to think, regarding
illegal immigration, borders throughout the world are porous and
always have been.
5. Cynicism without evidence, particularly if the cynicism is clearly
contrived, is not the same as level-headed skepticism. Skeptics are
rarely cynics.
6. I would advise getting more information than a Reuters science
fanzine scribble before critiquing the work. If you don>t know what
they>ve found, you haven>t grounds to argue what it isn>t.
[/quote]
Cynicism is a philosphy. The use of the word as a fly-swat is
comparatively recent.
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has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball” |
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Kendall K Down
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Untranlatable ""hebrew" discovered; more proof positive |
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In message <490a5eea$0$4898$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote]Of course one has to ask how they know it is hebrew if they cannot read it.
[/quote]
Because the parts they *can* read are Hebrew. Any more stupid
questions?
[quote]No photo of inscription provided.
[/quote]
Ah, so therefore Matt the Pratt can dismiss the whole thing as an
invention. Truly a scientific standpoint.
[quote]Another example of reading the bible into
anything found EVEN WHEN found in a land dated to the time of Egyptian rule.
[/quote]
Galling, isn>t it, Matt the Pratt, that *real* scholars who do *real*
archaeology - as opposed to prats who have never moved outside their
tatty trailer park - accept the Bible as history? When will you wake
up to the fact that you and Deputy Dawg Martin are the only
inhabitants of your nasty little nazi world?
[quote]Expect another example of Phoenician if you ever find a drawing of the
inscription.
[/quote]
No, *we* will expect an example of paleo-Hebrew. Phoenician was
entirely different.
Ken Down
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Kendall K Down
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Untranlatable ""hebrew" discovered; more proof positive |
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imipak <imipak@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]6. I would advise getting more information than a Reuters science
fanzine scribble before critiquing the work. If you don>t know what
they>ve found, you haven>t grounds to argue what it isn>t.
[/quote]
Grounds? Matt the Pratt has never needed any factual grounds for his
nasty nazi fantasies. If a report mentions the word "Bible" it is
enough to bring him out, foaming at the mouth and roaring "T>aint,
t>aint, t>aint!"
Ken Down
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Kendall K Down
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Untranlatable ""hebrew" discovered; more proof positive |
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Cormac <cormac.bradaigh@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]The new evidence inicates clearly that Hebrew script is ca 3,000 years
old.
[/quote]
So one (major) plank in Matt the Pratt>s thesis goes down.
[quote]David and Solomon remain myths unles evidence for their existence is
found.
[/quote]
Evidence? You mean, like the Moabite Stone or the House of David
Stele?
Ken Down
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Jack Linthicum
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Untranlatable ""hebrew" discovered; more proof positive |
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On Oct 31, 4:51 am, Kendall K Down <webmas...@diggingsonline.com>
wrote:
[quote]In message <490a5eea$0$4898$9a6e1...@unlimited.newshosting.com
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
Of course one has to ask how they know it is hebrew if they cannot read it.
Because the parts they *can* read are Hebrew. Any more stupid
questions?
No photo of inscription provided.
Ah, so therefore Matt the Pratt can dismiss the whole thing as an
invention. Truly a scientific standpoint.
Another example of reading the bible into
anything found EVEN WHEN found in a land dated to the time of Egyptian rule.
Galling, isn>t it, Matt the Pratt, that *real* scholars who do *real*
archaeology - as opposed to prats who have never moved outside their
tatty trailer park - accept the Bible as history? When will you wake
up to the fact that you and Deputy Dawg Martin are the only
inhabitants of your nasty little nazi world?
Expect another example of Phoenician if you ever find a drawing of the
inscription.
No, *we* will expect an example of paleo-Hebrew. Phoenician was
entirely different.
Ken Down
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================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ==============> | Australia>s premier archaeological magazine |
| http://www.diggingsonline.com |
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[/quote]
Not exactly readable.
http://www.foxnews.com/images/459004/1_21_canaanite_shard_vert.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/30/article-0-024BD48F000005DC-794_468x310_popup.jpg
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Jerusalem-October-30/photo//081030/photos_sc/2008_10_30t134929_450x300_us_israel_archaeology//s:/nm/20081030/sc_nm/us_israel_archaeology;_ylt=AnENZzmG5bZixOTd6BliMrciANEA
no pic
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/world/middleeast/30david.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss |
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Jack Linthicum
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Untranlatable ""hebrew" discovered; more proof positive |
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On Oct 31, 10:31 am, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 4:51 am, Kendall K Down <webmas...@diggingsonline.com
wrote:
In message <490a5eea$0$4898$9a6e1...@unlimited.newshosting.com
Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
Of course one has to ask how they know it is hebrew if they cannot read it.
Because the parts they *can* read are Hebrew. Any more stupid
questions?
No photo of inscription provided.
Ah, so therefore Matt the Pratt can dismiss the whole thing as an
invention. Truly a scientific standpoint.
Another example of reading the bible into
anything found EVEN WHEN found in a land dated to the time of Egyptian rule.
Galling, isn>t it, Matt the Pratt, that *real* scholars who do *real*
archaeology - as opposed to prats who have never moved outside their
tatty trailer park - accept the Bible as history? When will you wake
up to the fact that you and Deputy Dawg Martin are the only
inhabitants of your nasty little nazi world?
Expect another example of Phoenician if you ever find a drawing of the
inscription.
No, *we* will expect an example of paleo-Hebrew. Phoenician was
entirely different.
Ken Down
--
================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ==============> > | Australia>s premier archaeological magazine |
| http://www.diggingsonline.com |
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Not exactly readable.
http://www.foxnews.com/images/459004/1_21_canaanite_shard_vert.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/30/article-0-024BD48F000005DC-...
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Jerusalem-October-30/photo//081030/phot...
no pic
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/world/middleeast/30david.html?partn...
[/quote]
Little bit more
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7700037.stm |
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JTEM
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:05 am Post subject: Re: Untranlatable ""hebrew" discovered; more proof positive |
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Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]Little bit more
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7700037.stm
[/quote]
Well it>s clearly not "Hebrew."
: The characters are written in proto-Canaanite, a precursor
: of the Hebrew alphabet
It>s a bit like finding a few lines of ancient Greek and declaring
that it>s English. |
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Cormac
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Untranlatable ""hebrew" discovered; more proof positive |
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[quote]David and Solomon remain myths unles evidence for their existence is
found.
Evidence? You mean, like the Moabite Stone or the House of David
Stele?
Ken Down
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Neither provides evidence for the existence of David or Solomon
Cormac. |
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Jack Linthicum
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On Nov 1, 1:05 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Little bit more
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7700037.stm
Well it>s clearly not "Hebrew."
: The characters are written in proto-Canaanite, a precursor
: of the Hebrew alphabet
It>s a bit like finding a few lines of ancient Greek and declaring
that it>s English.
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If it spells out English words and uses English grammar, its English. |
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Kendall K Down
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Jack Linthicum <jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]Not exactly readable.
[/quote]
You wouldn>t be either, after being buried for 4,000 years. Actually,
I>ve seen worse and it>s amazing what you can do with specialised
photography.
Ken Down
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Martin Edwards
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Cormac wrote:
[quote]David and Solomon remain myths unles evidence for their existence is
found.
Evidence? You mean, like the Moabite Stone or the House of David
Stele?
Ken Down
Neither provides evidence for the existence of David or Solomon
Cormac.
[/quote]
Forget it: he>s been told time and time again.
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Martin Edwards
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Kendall K Down wrote:
[quote]In message <490a5eea$0$4898$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
Of course one has to ask how they know it is hebrew if they cannot read it.
Because the parts they *can* read are Hebrew. Any more stupid
questions?
No photo of inscription provided.
Ah, so therefore Matt the Pratt can dismiss the whole thing as an
invention. Truly a scientific standpoint.
Another example of reading the bible into
anything found EVEN WHEN found in a land dated to the time of Egyptian rule.
Galling, isn>t it, Matt the Pratt, that *real* scholars who do *real*
archaeology - as opposed to prats who have never moved outside their
tatty trailer park - accept the Bible as history? When will you wake
up to the fact that you and Deputy Dawg Martin are the only
inhabitants of your nasty little nazi world?
Expect another example of Phoenician if you ever find a drawing of the
inscription.
No, *we* will expect an example of paleo-Hebrew. Phoenician was
entirely different.
Ken Down
http://www.thechestnut.com/deputy/deputy-vince.jpg[/quote]
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