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Bill Vajk · Guest

Mark Tarka wrote:

[quote]nilsdalen1912@yahoo.com (Nils Dalen) wrote

mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote

So you corrected a _single_ post by the infamous

Uncle Saddam that you claim was _wrong_ and done
after the fact.

Hey, someone asked for an example. Besides, if you read the post, you
will see multiple mistakes by Uncle Al.

If I were being paid to correct Uncle Al>s homework, I would go
through his tons of posts.

You want another one:

He once claimed that the reason he could lift a dollar bill with a
magnet was due to "paramagnetic chromium pigment ink". Wrong. Do the
hysteresis loops on the ink and you will see that it is ferro- or
ferri-magnetic (princeton measurements used to do this as a demo of
their AGM at conferences).

What was actually in the post is quite different from
your assertion (GOOGLE GROUPS SCI.CHEM: loft a dollar bill 1 hit)
[/quote]
snip a Tarka strawman. Instead, here>s the precise quote:

"I bought a lovely pair of paired (1.5"x1"x1/2" each
magnet) rare earth magnets for $20 each assembly.
One assembly will lift (though not suspend) a US
dollar bill by its chromium-containing paramagnetic
ink."

here>s the URL (polite folks post the link, Mark. Take the hint.)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=371BBAE0.69A535CC%40hate.spam.net&output=gplain

Mark Tarka · Guest

Bill Vajk <bill9north@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com> wrote in message news:<3F2BE530.3080901@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com>...
[quote]Mark Tarka wrote:

nilsdalen1912@yahoo.com (Nils Dalen) wrote

mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote

So you corrected a _single_ post by the infamous

Uncle Saddam that you claim was _wrong_ and done
after the fact.

Hey, someone asked for an example. Besides, if you read the post, you
will see multiple mistakes by Uncle Al.

If I were being paid to correct Uncle Al>s homework, I would go
through his tons of posts.

You want another one:

He once claimed that the reason he could lift a dollar bill with a
magnet was due to "paramagnetic chromium pigment ink". Wrong. Do the
hysteresis loops on the ink and you will see that it is ferro- or
ferri-magnetic (princeton measurements used to do this as a demo of
their AGM at conferences).

What was actually in the post is quite different from
your assertion (GOOGLE GROUPS SCI.CHEM: loft a dollar bill 1 hit)

snip a Tarka strawman. Instead, here>s the precise quote:
[/quote]
No strawman, sweetie, we both have (well had, until you
foolishly snipped what I had shown) precise quotes from
two different posts, one in sci.chem, one in sci.physics.
Hope you>re not involved in any critical research projects.

[quote]
"I bought a lovely pair of paired (1.5"x1"x1/2" each
magnet) rare earth magnets for $20 each assembly.
One assembly will lift (though not suspend) a US
dollar bill by its chromium-containing paramagnetic
ink."

here>s the URL (polite folks post the link, Mark. Take the hint.)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=371BBAE0.69A535CC%40hate.spam.net&output=gplain
[/quote]
So you didn>t bother to search for my quote, and
decided there was none. Well, that Meron guy has
a point, chances are when you>re arguing with a
fool, he>ll prove it for you. Ta ta :-)

Mark (I didn>t know you could catch a billvahk with such
a cheap lure...but then, this is only bottom-fishing)

Bill Vajk · Guest

Mark Tarka wrote:

[quote]So you didn>t bother to search for my quote, and
decided there was none.
[/quote]
Your so called "quote" was a strawman. The one I dug up
was real enough and supported the argument you were trying
so hard to deny.

[quote]Well, that Meron guy has
a point, chances are when you>re arguing with a
fool, he>ll prove it for you. Ta ta :-)
[/quote]
You do love to argue with yourself and have made yourself
known as someone not worthy of further consideration.

Mark Tarka · Guest

Bill Vajk <bill9north@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com> wrote in message news:<3F2E643E.8090201@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com>...
[quote]Mark Tarka wrote:

So you didn>t bother to search for my quote, and
decided there was none.

Your so called "quote" was a strawman. The one I dug up
was real enough and supported the argument you were trying
so hard to deny.
[/quote]
Whatever....

[quote]
Well, that Meron guy has
a point, chances are when you>re arguing with a
fool, he>ll prove it for you. Ta ta :-)

You do love to argue with yourself and have made yourself
known as someone not worthy of further consideration.
[/quote]
I>ve got an issue to discuss with you, on another
thread...be there, or bow out, sweetie :-)

Mark (So, your dad....)

Bill Vajk · Guest

Mark Tarka wrote:

[quote]I>ve got an issue to discuss with you, on another
thread...be there, or bow out, sweetie :-)
[/quote]
Well according to this thread:

Subject: Re: Jowr, PLEASE f ck the skull of Mark Tarka
with Alan N. Schwartz>s microchoad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.scientists,alt.non.sequitur,sci.chem

and this one:

Subject: Re: Woman Beater MARK TARKA loves cat spray
Newsgroups: alt.feminism

you>re a usenet notable with no real issues, let alone ideas,
of your own. It is way past time for you to bow out.

Bill Vajk · Guest

Mark Tarka wrote:

[quote]You made the same mistake in your last attack on
Uncle Al...the world doesn>t revolve around your
interpretation of ideas and language, sweetie.
[/quote]

You>re the worse kind of fool. He>s in the throes of
really understanding the instrument of which you know
absolutely nothing. Al>s tenacity in the search for
knowledge helps partly to overcome his severely
antisocial characteristics. It is only at the moment
of his last breath anyone will actually be able to
take full measure. In your case we already know;
you>re a pimple thinking you>re a boil.

Nils Dalen · Guest

mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote in message news:<6b70c71c.0308020739.e167543@posting.google.com>...
[quote]There>s no connection made here, linking chromium and lofting.
Remove the second sentence and all you have is a comment on the
dangers of burning a dollar (which is where the thread had
gone to, IIRC :-)

Also,
GOOGLE: dollar ink magnet

Check the first three or so hits and see your "iron".

[/quote]
Wow, you really do miss the point, don>t you? Classic Uncle Al style.

Fact: Uncle Al stated the ink was paramagnetic

Fact: it isn>t.

you can throw all your chaff in the air you want to confuse the
argument, but those two lines summarize it exactly.

Nils

Bill Vajk · Guest

Nils Dalen wrote:

[quote]mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote

There>s no connection made here, linking chromium and lofting.

Remove the second sentence and all you have is a comment on the
dangers of burning a dollar (which is where the thread had
gone to, IIRC :-)

Also,
GOOGLE: dollar ink magnet

Check the first three or so hits and see your "iron".

Wow, you really do miss the point, don>t you? Classic Uncle Al style.

Fact: Uncle Al stated the ink was paramagnetic

Fact: it isn>t.

you can throw all your chaff in the air you want to confuse the
argument, but those two lines summarize it exactly.
[/quote]
Tarka is on the same pathway to lunacy with his current
foray googling Eötvös torsion balances. Think he might
be yet another failing chemist trying to switch hit his
way into mainstream physics? If he is, he>s sure copying
a lousy model.

Mark Tarka · Guest

Bill Vajk <bill9north@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com> wrote in message news:<3F392DCC.2000303@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com>...
[quote]Nils Dalen wrote:

mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote

There>s no connection made here, linking chromium and lofting.

Remove the second sentence and all you have is a comment on the
dangers of burning a dollar (which is where the thread had
gone to, IIRC :-)

Also,
GOOGLE: dollar ink magnet

Check the first three or so hits and see your "iron".

Wow, you really do miss the point, don>t you? Classic Uncle Al style.
[/quote]
No...the fact is your backing my sweetie, another well-known
loser who runs for the briar patch at the first sign
of.... Ahem,...nyah...nyah...nyah.... :-)

[quote]Fact: Uncle Al stated the ink was paramagnetic
[/quote]
Show your information.

[quote]Fact: it isn>t.
[/quote]
Show your information (no Cr inks used by the Mint).

[quote]you can throw all your chaff in the air you want to confuse the
argument, but those two lines summarize it exactly.
[/quote]
Argument? What argument? There were two posts,
and you>ve invented a third perspective having no
basis in fact, AFAIK :-) Say, just show your fanny,
instead.

[quote]Tarka is on the same pathway to lunacy with his current
foray googling Eötvös torsion balances. Think he might
be yet another failing chemist trying to switch hit his
way into mainstream physics? If he is, he>s sure copying
a lousy model.
[/quote]
No Googling of Eotvos torsion balances, only pictures of
"torsion balances", sweetie. Stupid, or just argumentative?

Mark (Hee hee...whining from physics wannabes about
a chemist in their camp talking physics :-)

Mark Tarka · Guest

nilsdalen1912@yahoo.com (Nils Dalen) wrote in message news:<892df052.0308131236.76fd604d@posting.google.com>...
[quote]You do a great parody of Uncle Al>s style.
[/quote]
Yeah...,sure, Nils,...I do a great parody....

[quote]mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote in message news:<6b70c71c.0308121455.2447e983@posting.google.com>...
Fact: Uncle Al stated the ink was paramagnetic

Show your information.

search google groups for:
author:UncleAl0@hate.spam.net paramagnetic ink. When I did it, it was
the last thread of 3.
[/quote]
I found 4, searching all of the groups, with no "author:"
field, only uncleal0@hate.spam.net paramagnetic ink

[quote]Fact: it isn>t.

Show your information (no Cr inks used by the Mint).

Feynman used to give lectures where he would use only 2 rules:
1) he didn>t have to understand everything
2) the person asking the question had to at least understand his own
question.

Since you can>t distinguish between "Cr inks" and "paramagnetic", it
is worthless continuing this thread.
[/quote]
Let>s not overlook your virtually impossible
leap from Feynman>s "understand his own question"
to "since you can>t distinguish between" -- where
did the question go?

And...the green ink on the bills supposedly
contains chromium (Cr2O3, but one site claims
CrO3 (typo?)). Anyone with more info?

And...Cr3+ is paramagnetic.

Thus, one reaches the inescapable conclusion:
Cr3+ containing ink is not paramagnetic. Gimmie
a Noble, I got a bar tab to pay.

And...it _is_ worthless continuing this thread --
you have nothing to offer :-) BTW, "Cr inks"
is expressed with seven different ASCII characters,
"paramagnetic", with ten -- there is quite a
difference ("distinction" if you prefer :-)

[quote]Go ahead and post some childish response, claim a "victory" in your
silly game and be ignored.
[/quote]
There! You did it. The usual haughty defense
of your abysmal ignorance. I can>t be the only one
to have come to the conclusion that the accuser is
most often describing his or her own failings
(as in the perp crying "victim").

[quote]Nils
[/quote]

Mark (RU18QT? Ahnold is :-)

Nils Dalen · Guest

mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote in message news:<6b70c71c.0308140834.62d77459@posting.google.com>...

[quote]And...Cr3+ is paramagnetic.

Thus, one reaches the inescapable conclusion:
Cr3+ containing ink is not paramagnetic. Gimmie
a Noble, I got a bar tab to pay.
[/quote]
Sorry to continue this thread, but this is a great example of where
you don>t need a specialized education to see the fool step in poo.

Yes Mark, Cr3+ is paramagnetic. If you have an isolated Cr3+ ion.
But, not all Cr3+ ions are paramagnetic.

Now, here is where it was easy to see that your statement was wrong:
Take a look at your old cassette player (unless you are like me and
threw your cassette player away 10+ years ago). There is a setting
for Cr2O3 tapes. You don>t record on paramagnetic materials (by
definition, a paramagnet doesn>t hold magnetization).

Now, I am just a poor country doctor, not a fancy shmancy chemist or
nothin, but Cr2O3...seems like that has Cr3+ in it somewheres...

If you can>t get to a library, try searching Google for Cr2O3 and
ferromagnet.

Take a lesson from your Uncle Al--he quietly disappears from a thread
when he has been proven wrong. He doesn>t keep demonstrating his
mistakes.

Nils

Eric Lucas · Guest

"Nils Dalen" <nilsdalen1912@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:892df052.0308141316.5598ba13@posting.google.com...
[quote]mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote in message
news:<6b70c71c.0308140834.62d77459@posting.google.com>...[/quote]

[quote]Now, here is where it was easy to see that your statement was wrong:
Take a look at your old cassette player (unless you are like me and
threw your cassette player away 10+ years ago). There is a setting
for Cr2O3 tapes. You don>t record on paramagnetic materials (by
definition, a paramagnet doesn>t hold magnetization).
[/quote]
No, that setting is for CrO2 tapes, not Cr2O3. You>re right, you>re not a
"fancy schmancy chemist"--a chemist would immediately recognize and remember
the difference between CrO2 and Cr2O3.

[quote]Take a lesson from your Uncle Al--he quietly disappears from a thread
when he has been proven wrong. He doesn>t keep demonstrating his
mistakes.
[/quote]
Sounds like good advice for you to take.

Eric Lucas

Nils Dalen · Guest

"Eric Lucas" <ealucas@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<iHX_a.99414$3o3.6905000@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
[quote]"Nils Dalen" <nilsdalen1912@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:892df052.0308141316.5598ba13@posting.google.com...
mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote in message
news:<6b70c71c.0308140834.62d77459@posting.google.com>...

Now, here is where it was easy to see that your statement was wrong:
Take a look at your old cassette player (unless you are like me and
threw your cassette player away 10+ years ago). There is a setting
for Cr2O3 tapes. You don>t record on paramagnetic materials (by
definition, a paramagnet doesn>t hold magnetization).

No, that setting is for CrO2 tapes, not Cr2O3. You>re right, you>re not a
"fancy schmancy chemist"--a chemist would immediately recognize and remember
the difference between CrO2 and Cr2O3.

Take a lesson from your Uncle Al--he quietly disappears from a thread
when he has been proven wrong. He doesn>t keep demonstrating his
mistakes.

Sounds like good advice for you to take.
[/quote]
Well, I haven>t seen a cassette tape in over 10 years, so, yup, I made
a mistake.

Given the big push to synthesize CrO2 in thin film form right now, I
should have remembered the difference. So, yes, I am a bonehead.

I have to admit it, I never worked with CrO2. Even in the 80>s it
wasn>t CrO2 in most tapes anyway. It was acicular Cobalt-adsorbed
gamma ferric oxide.

CrO2 is a ferromagnet with a Curie temperature of about 380K. Cr2O3
is an antiferromagnet with a Neel temperature of about 310K. So, if
Cr2O3 is a pigment in US currency, there is a big reason why it isn>t
the cause of a bill being attracted to a magnet. I would wager that
Mark couldn>t say why. I would even put some money that without a
Google search, Al wouldn>t get it either (otherwise he wouldn>t have
used the term "paramagnetic"). Does that mean anything? No. It>s
just knowledge.

Nils

hanson · Guest

"Nils Dalen" <nilsdalen1912@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:892df052.0308150910.3545ff06@posting.google.com...
[quote]"Eric Lucas" <ealucas@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
"Nils Dalen" <nilsdalen1912@yahoo.com> wrote in message
mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote in message
Now, here is where it was easy to see that your statement was wrong:
Take a look at your old cassette player (unless you are like me and
threw your cassette player away 10+ years ago). There is a setting
for Cr2O3 tapes. You don>t record on paramagnetic materials (by
definition, a paramagnet doesn>t hold magnetization).

No, that setting is for CrO2 tapes, not Cr2O3. You>re right, you>re not a
"fancy schmancy chemist"--a chemist would immediately recognize and remember
the difference between CrO2 and Cr2O3.

Take a lesson from your Uncle Al--he quietly disappears from a thread
when he has been proven wrong. He doesn>t keep demonstrating his
mistakes.

Sounds like good advice for you to take.

Well, I haven>t seen a cassette tape in over 10 years, so, yup, I made
a mistake.
Given the big push to synthesize CrO2 in thin film form right now, I
should have remembered the difference. So, yes, I am a bonehead.
I have to admit it, I never worked with CrO2. Even in the 80>s it
wasn>t CrO2 in most tapes anyway. It was acicular Cobalt-adsorbed
gamma ferric oxide.
CrO2 is a ferromagnet with a Curie temperature of about 380K. Cr2O3
is an antiferromagnet with a Neel temperature of about 310K. So, if
Cr2O3 is a pigment in US currency, there is a big reason why it isn>t
the cause of a bill being attracted to a magnet. I would wager that
Mark couldn>t say why. I would even put some money that without a
Google search, Al wouldn>t get it either (otherwise he wouldn>t have
used the term "paramagnetic"). Does that mean anything? No. It>s
just knowledge.
Nils

OK, ok.....but never mind the "mistakes", "boneheads" or "meanings" etc.[/quote]
I am interested, as I stated in my previous post:
What is the route, the synthesis, by which CrO2, Chromium Dioxide,
was/is commercially produced?
I am not interest in the current research which lays CrO2 down by CVD.
Nils, Eric (may still be down 'cause of the Blackout), .....anybody?
thanks,
hanson

Nils Dalen · Guest

"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote in message news:<mM8%a.4054$7z1.1081@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

[quote]OK, ok.....but never mind the "mistakes", "boneheads" or "meanings" etc.
I am interested, as I stated in my previous post:
What is the route, the synthesis, by which CrO2, Chromium Dioxide,
was/is commercially produced?
I am not interest in the current research which lays CrO2 down by CVD.
Nils, Eric (may still be down 'cause of the Blackout), .....anybody?
thanks,
hanson
[/quote]
I don>t know the actual process for CrO2. However, here are a few
places to start:

Here is a recent paper--the references might help you track down the
process actually used:

Method for the synthesis of CrO2 at ambient pressure and temperature
Ye H, Zhang Q, Saito F, Jeyadevan B, Tohji K, Tsunoda M
JOURNAL OF APPLIED PHYSICS 93 (10): 6856-6858 Part 2 MAY 15 2003

Or,
try this patent by DuPont:
US3512930: STABILIZED FERROMAGNETIC CHROMIUM DIOXIDE

It was referenced 24 times, so it probably had something useful in it.

Check it out on the uspto website or delphion.com (if delphion still
allows for non-paying access).

Looking at some of the patents, it is still being produced. BASF has
patents at least into the '90s.

Nils


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