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Elroy Willis · Guest

jabriol <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in alt.atheism

[quote]Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
Libertarius wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:

snip

Why not just come up with some gospel verses to support your point?
Like you, I thought Jesus talked about Adam and Eve, but I guess we
were both wrong. I>m not ashamed to admit I was wrong, why can>t you
do the same?

===>There is a difference, Elroy.
You are HONEST.
Jabriol is DISHONEST!

Simple enough?

I guess he has trouble admitting whenever he>s wrong. Oh well.

the point is I am not wrong, and he knows it
[/quote]
You already lost the point.

[quote]I do remember some NT verse about Adam, but maybe it was Paul
who was attributed to the verse I>m thinking of.

The Paul would be a liar as well, because he based his premise on a myth, on
something that the catholic church says it is not true... why follow pauls
advice?
[/quote]
Who knows if he or the church actually believed it at one time?
Granted, it>s a myth which is obviously untrue, but that doesn>t mean
they were liars. I wouldn>t put it past 'em though. I>m sure there
are plenty of JW liars around, aren>t you? Some stupid ones who
actually believe their church as well.

--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news

JaBrIoL · Guest

bitbucket55@hotmail.com (John Drayton) wrote in message news:<ce43f6e.0309150348.5ea632b0@posting.google.com>...
[quote]Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in message news:<d222de3e.0309130806.7ca771de@posting.google.com>...
chriskrolczyk@hotmail.com (Chris Krolczyk) wrote in message news:<c743abb.0309121118.9340afb@posting.google.com>...

snip

-- s.a.p. trimmed from groups --

As you>ll notice, I changed the newsgroups line to include
talk.origins, delete s.a.p and a few other newsgroups and
make it possible for this to get past the robomoderator
by limiting x-posts to a grand total of four.

yet it only showed up in 2 newgroups, you forgot, the moderation based
on content ban... unles you can tell me the other news groups.. look
at google and you will see..

censorship is practice on T.O anything that throw poor light on
evolution is banned..

This is a straight out lie. It>s not even a misunderstanding
on jabriol>s part - he has posted accusations of censorship
many times to t.o. and knows quite well that message content
has absolutely no effect on posting to t.o.

[/quote]
actually one of my post made thru david filter, from google, I guess
it is short lived, he did admit to puting up or taking off filters at
whim.

And you did not read Greig follow-up that has in effect he has thrown
up a 2 group filter.

[quote]T.O. is a moderated group, with the moderation performed
automatically by software. The rules about moderation
simply relate to the groups you can cross-posting to if
you want your post to appear on t.o.

[/quote]
content moderation now down to 2 groups... If I am involved.
it he did the same for SAP... because I moved there..
content moderation and censorship..

[quote]You can put anything you like in the message content of
your post to t.o.

[/quote]
no you can>t, not by the orignal charter.. but who cares?

> <snip>

Roy Mock · Guest

"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:qlbbmv49u9543hs7kjqih904uaigns1em9@4ax.com...
[quote]On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:37:16 +1000, "Roy Mock"
roymock1@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

What about the reporters in the news media? They seem to go about
their
business as though Bush was real.

What about 'em? I>ve already acknowledged that I believe that GW Bush
exists.

Well, there are accounts of God in the scriptures as well - what He said
and
did.

There is an account of this guy named Gandalf defeating demon called a
balrog, but no one is suggesting that it actually happened.
[/quote]
No. But the promises to Abraham, and the Passover & Exodus with Moses are
defining moments to the nation of Israel - even to the modern nation of
Israel. If we place the scriptures in realm of fairy tales and myths, we
would have make some sense of Israel and Judaism. Israel and Judaism is
grounded on historical precedence.

Varicose Brain · Guest

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:49:01 +1000, "Roy Mock"
<roymock1@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

[quote]There is an account of this guy named Gandalf defeating demon called a
balrog, but no one is suggesting that it actually happened.

No. But the promises to Abraham, and the Passover & Exodus with Moses are
defining moments to the nation of Israel - even to the modern nation of
Israel. If we place the scriptures in realm of fairy tales and myths, we
would have make some sense of Israel and Judaism. Israel and Judaism is
grounded on historical precedence.
[/quote]
Which brings up another subject - the so-called "promises" God could
have promised the Israelites a land further to the south when they
fled Egypt. It would have been less populated than modern Israel
(Canaan, at that time) more fertile, and more expansive the little
strip of land that is currently along the Mediterranean Sea. Instead,
this so-called "loving god" has his people butcher untold thousands in
his name in a heavily-settled area, forces young girls into marriage,
and makes slaves of those who don>t kiss his ass. All in the name of a
"promise."

Mark K. Bilbo · Guest

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:29:04 +1000, Roy Mock wrote:

[quote]
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.12.01.46.55.362662@eac.org...
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:58:25 +1000, Roy Mock wrote:

[big snip]

Usually when meeting someone we>ve not met before (1) they could
introduce
themselves (2) someone introduces that person to us, or (3) we find
some information about him.

I bet you think you have a Significant Point...

No, not really, Mark. Just taking the challenge you guys are throwing up,
and see how far I go before falling over or tire of the discussion (or
simply run away embarrassed). Some of these challenges are quite fresh to
me so it>s a bit of a wrestle.
[/quote]
I see.

[quote]If there were a significant point, it would rather be "... there is but
one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we
live" (1 Corinthians 8:6) and "a fool says in 'there is no God'". (Psalms
14:1)
[/quote]
Yawn.

The fool may say that in his heart, the wise man shouts it from the
rooftops...

--
Mark K. Bilbo

Mark K. Bilbo · Guest

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:37:16 +1000, Roy Mock wrote:

[quote]"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:tln4mv8qap1hm1krj65r8b4f87egag73ik@4ax.com...
"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

[snip].

What about the reporters in the news media? They seem to go about
their business as though Bush was real.

What about 'em? I>ve already acknowledged that I believe that GW Bush
exists.

Well, there are accounts of God in the scriptures as well - what He said
and did.
[/quote]
No, there are mythologies (many) about gods. With nothing to corroborate
any of them.

--
Mark K. Bilbo

Mark K. Bilbo · Guest

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:49:01 +1000, Roy Mock wrote:

[quote]
"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:qlbbmv49u9543hs7kjqih904uaigns1em9@4ax.com...
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:37:16 +1000, "Roy Mock"
roymock1@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

What about the reporters in the news media? They seem to go about
their
business as though Bush was real.

What about 'em? I>ve already acknowledged that I believe that GW Bush
exists.

Well, there are accounts of God in the scriptures as well - what He
said
and
did.

There is an account of this guy named Gandalf defeating demon called a
balrog, but no one is suggesting that it actually happened.

No. But the promises to Abraham, and the Passover & Exodus with Moses
are defining moments to the nation of Israel - even to the modern nation
of Israel. If we place the scriptures in realm of fairy tales and myths,
we would have make some sense of Israel and Judaism. Israel and Judaism
is grounded on historical precedence.
[/quote]
So?

--
Mark K. Bilbo

davers_dfd · Guest

In article <5mcbmvonofl3rgfhl954t1c5e36ceclavs@4ax.com>,
lacruiser@aol.com says...
:: On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:46:59 -0700, davers_dfd
:: <davers_dfd@netzero.net> wrote:
::
::
:: >:: >Well per Bible, Humans are her thru intervetntion of a higher intelligence,
:: >:: >therefore I don>t see a problem with
:: >:: >bringing into existence a manpanzee..
:: >::
:: >:: ...along with all those other wonderful mythical creatures that appear
:: >:: in the bible, like unicorns and cockatrices.
:: >::
:: >http://www.rom.on.ca/pub/unicorn/uni21.html
:: >
:: >;0)
:: >
:: >davers
::
:: If you>d bother reading the thread, you>ll see that I already
:: commented on this in a previous response to jabbers.
::

If you had already identified that the unicorn referenced in Jehovah>s
word was not the mythical creature, then why make an issue of it?

davers

--
STRIFE: As long as we have each other...we will never run out of
problems!

http://www.despair.com/noname13.html

JessHC · Guest

"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<3f66374c$0$6527$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>...
[quote]"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:qlbbmv49u9543hs7kjqih904uaigns1em9@4ax.com...
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:37:16 +1000, "Roy Mock"
roymock1@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

What about the reporters in the news media? They seem to go about
their
business as though Bush was real.

What about 'em? I>ve already acknowledged that I believe that GW Bush
exists.

Well, there are accounts of God in the scriptures as well - what He said
and
did.

There is an account of this guy named Gandalf defeating demon called a
balrog, but no one is suggesting that it actually happened.

No. But the promises to Abraham, and the Passover & Exodus with Moses are
defining moments to the nation of Israel - even to the modern nation of
Israel. If we place the scriptures in realm of fairy tales and myths, we
would have make some sense of Israel and Judaism. Israel and Judaism is
grounded on historical precedence.
[/quote]
Then the story of Romulus and Remus should be considered a defining
moment to the nation of Rome.

Varicose Brain · Guest

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:54:51 -0700, davers_dfd
<davers_dfd@netzero.net> wrote:

[quote]:: If you>d bother reading the thread, you>ll see that I already
:: commented on this in a previous response to jabbers.
::

If you had already identified that the unicorn referenced in Jehovah>s
word was not the mythical creature, then why make an issue of it?

davers
[/quote]
Oh, so now its "Jehovah>s word"! Well, I guess if he says that
unicorns are real, then it MUST be true. After all, Jehovah wouldn>t
be so stupid as to confuse a unicorn with a rhino, now would he?

davers_dfd · Guest

In article <k4scmvo4ofd2kqhb1m65l0jli8vlljrt2s@4ax.com>,
lacruiser@aol.com says...
:: On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:54:51 -0700, davers_dfd
:: <davers_dfd@netzero.net> wrote:
::
::
:: >:: If you>d bother reading the thread, you>ll see that I already
:: >:: commented on this in a previous response to jabbers.
:: >::
:: >
:: >If you had already identified that the unicorn referenced in Jehovah>s
:: >word was not the mythical creature, then why make an issue of it?
:: >
:: >davers
::
:: Oh, so now its "Jehovah>s word"! Well, I guess if he says that
:: unicorns are real, then it MUST be true. After all, Jehovah wouldn>t
:: be so stupid as to confuse a unicorn with a rhino, now would he?
::

Always has been Jehovah>s word. Cope...;0)

The use of the archaic term unicorn in the KJV does not negate the
accuracy or value of Jehovah>s word. Modern translations identify
and clarify, that which you vilify. Again...cope...;0)

davers

--
ARROGANCE:
The best leaders inspire by example. When that is not an option, brute
intimidation works pretty well, too!

http://www.despair.com/arrogance.html

Baldrick · Guest

"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.09.11.03.37.22.210919@eac.org>...
[quote]On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:06:57 -0600, Libertarius wrote:

Elroy Willis wrote:

Libertarius wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:
georgann wrote:

We>re also told to be as "wise as serpents".

What>s the wisest serpent you know of?

===>The wisest one depicted in Genesis was the one who showed that
YHWH was all wrong! Didn>t even know the effects of the fruit of his
own trees.

Georgann may have just painted herself into another corner, don>t you
think? She claims to be as crafty and wise as the serpent in the
Genesis story. She also claims that she was blinded by some light one
day in her kitchen, and Satan claims that he can masquerade as an angel
of light, so all things taken into consideration, it seems to me that
georgann is under the control of Satan instead of under the control of
some benevolent god who wants everyone to know the truth of things.

She keeps making up stories about her god hiding numerical messages and
other things in the Bible, instead of realizing that her god is actually
a deceiver, like she is as well.

It looks like there ARE numerical messages (ciphers) in the Bible,[/quote]
particularly starting with the King James version. They were put
there by Sir Francis Bacon (who compiled the KJV for the slovenly
King). Sir Francis was a member of the Knights Templar, and the
Druids. They had a "secret" to transfer to the future - that Jesus
Christ (actually Jesus ben Panthera, later King Cunobeline) had a twin
brother (Judas Khrestus). It was his brother who was crucified then
taken down early (i.e before he actually died). There>s a lot more to
the story. The "secret societies" were necessary throughout the dark
ages to protect the truths from the prying hands of the church who,
through the inquisition, were hell bent (teehee pun intended) on
destroying any and all information that did not conform to their story
as ratified by Emperor Constantine at the Council of Niacea (and
subsequent church councils). It was these councils (lead by
Constantine) which dedided upon the contents of the Bible pretty much
as we know it today. It>s interesting to note that there are c.14,800
differences between todays Bibles and the oldest Bible mankind still
has - The Sinai Bible.

Varicose Brain · Guest

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:14:02 -0700, davers_dfd
<davers_dfd@netzero.net> wrote:

[quote]Always has been Jehovah>s word. Cope...;0)

The use of the archaic term unicorn in the KJV does not negate the
accuracy or value of Jehovah>s word.
[/quote]
The bible, then, isn>t the word of any all-knowing, all-powerful god.
Any such god wouldn>t have to use "archaic" terms that would have to
be re-translated over time.

Elroy Willis · Guest

greg.newton@mail.com (Baldrick) wrote in alt.atheism

[quote]Mark K. Bilbo wrote in message
Libertarius wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:

She keeps making up stories about her god hiding numerical messages
and other things in the Bible, instead of realizing that her god is actually
a deceiver, like she is as well.

It looks like there ARE numerical messages (ciphers) in the Bible,
particularly starting with the King James version. They were put
there by Sir Francis Bacon (who compiled the KJV for the slovenly
King). Sir Francis was a member of the Knights Templar, and the
Druids. They had a "secret" to transfer to the future - that Jesus
Christ (actually Jesus ben Panthera, later King Cunobeline) had a twin
brother (Judas Khrestus). It was his brother who was crucified then
taken down early (i.e before he actually died).
[/quote]
So Jesus ben Panthera is supposed to be the Barabbas character
mentioned in Matthew 27:16?

--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news


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