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Varicose Brain · Guest

On 14 Sep 2003 14:11:00 -0700, Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote:

[quote]Carol has been caught in various vicious lies, with intent to slander
JW>s
[/quote]
<spewage snipped>

Carol doesn>t need to slander JWs. You do a good enough job on your
own when you make statements like the following...

[quote]If you want to get rid of Carol, tell her to go home and service her
husband, like any decent honorable housewife would.[/quote]

Libertarius · Guest

John Wilkins wrote:

[quote]Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote:

Libertarius wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:

snip

Why not just come up with some gospel verses to support your point?
Like you, I thought Jesus talked about Adam and Eve, but I guess we
were both wrong. I>m not ashamed to admit I was wrong, why can>t you
do the same?

===>There is a difference, Elroy.
You are HONEST.
Jabriol is DISHONEST!

Simple enough?

I guess he has trouble admitting whenever he>s wrong. Oh well.

I do remember some NT verse about Adam, but maybe it was Paul
who was attributed to the verse I>m thinking of.

Jesus is reported in one of the gospels as having referred to marriage
in terms of "what God has joined together", i.e., in Genesis. That is an
indirect mention.
[/quote]
===>Not a reference to "ADAM AND EVE", as claimed by
Jabriol.

Libertarius · Guest

jabriol wrote:

[quote]"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F64D8AA.6A344F7C@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...

jabriol wrote:

"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F648933.CBDD78AA@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...

Elroy Willis wrote:

jabriol <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in
message
jabriol wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in
message
jabriol wrote:

yup.. Christ refered to adam and eve.... if genesis is
mythology..
then the point Jesus was making to them is based on a lie.

===>Do you think two lies make a truth?

JABRIEL LIE #1: Catholics think Christ was a liar
JABRIEL LIE #2: "Christ refered to adam and eve"

Could you substantiate either of those statements?

yeah read the bible: mathew, luke, mark and John..

then get back to us..

===>I obviously have, better than YOU.
ONE MORE TIME:
WHERE in those books misspelled by you did Jesus refer to
Adam and Eve?

Respond to the point or admit you lied! -- L.

If you read the accounts you would already know, if you have
knowledge
of
the one book that was written in hebrew you would know..

your question shows me you do not know.. and that you are
lying...or
ignorant.

Why not just come up with some gospel verses to support your point?
Like you, I thought Jesus talked about Adam and Eve, but I guess we
were both wrong. I>m not ashamed to admit I was wrong, why can>t
you
do the same?

===>There is a difference, Elroy.
You are HONEST.
Jabriol is DISHONEST!

Simple enough?

here is something more simple I gave you clue, and you still didnt
know...
admit that you don>t and maybe I will tell you where in Mathew you might
find it.

no more clues..

===>No more brains in your head.
NOWHERE does ANY of the Gospels say that
Jesus mentioned EITHER Adam OR Eve.

well if you insist in your ignorance and beliefs so be it...
So, stop lying!
[/quote]
===>Is that the JW way of confessing your sin?

Libertarius · Guest

jabriol wrote:

[quote]"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F64D929.CAEDC44A@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...

jabriol wrote:

"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Libertarius wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:

snip

Why not just come up with some gospel verses to support your point?
Like you, I thought Jesus talked about Adam and Eve, but I guess we
were both wrong. I>m not ashamed to admit I was wrong, why can>t
you
do the same?

===>There is a difference, Elroy.
You are HONEST.
Jabriol is DISHONEST!

Simple enough?

I guess he has trouble admitting whenever he>s wrong. Oh well.

the point is I am not wrong, and he knows it

I do remember some NT verse about Adam, but maybe it was Paul
who was attributed to the verse I>m thinking of.

The Paul would be a liar as well, because he based his premise on a
myth, on
something that the catholic church says it is not true... why follow
pauls
advice?

===>You are so full of hatred toward Catholics, yet
your nonsense is much WORSE, or perhaps BECAUSE
of that? You are trying to direct attention away from your
absurdities?

Either the church accept Genesis, or it call Genesis a myth, a lie...
[/quote]
===>That is STUPID!
A MYTH is NOT A LIE!

[quote]if Genesis is a myth and Lies,
[/quote]
===>That is your idiotic conclusion.
Perhaps you should talk to a literature professor and
ask if "fiction" is the same as "lie".
HINT: Do you think STAR TREK is a LIE???

[quote]then everything reffered to Genesis is a lie as
well..
[/quote]
===>Your further illogical conclusion based on the false
premise that a myth is a lie.

[quote]this mean the global flood, that Jesus referred to as well..
[/quote]
===>Yes, of course. It is an old Sumerian myth.

[quote]oh yeah, your
going to say Jesus did not refer to the flood neither eh?
[/quote]
===>It is obvious you have never studied logic.
Have you ever had a course in grammar os spelling?
He did not refer to no flood. ;-)

[quote]cant have both ways..
[/quote]
===>But you can have double negatives?

--sexkitten-- · Guest

"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
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[quote]On 14 Sep 2003 14:11:00 -0700, Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote:

Carol has been caught in various vicious lies, with intent to slander
JW>s

spewage snipped

Carol doesn>t need to slander JWs. You do a good enough job on your
own when you make statements like the following...

If you want to get rid of Carol, tell her to go home and service her
husband, like any decent honorable housewife would.
[/quote]
Do you think Jabriol would go away if we told him to go home and service his
husband?

Roy Mock · Guest

"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.12.01.46.55.362662@eac.org...
[quote]On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:58:25 +1000, Roy Mock wrote:

[big snip]

Usually when meeting someone we>ve not met before (1) they could
introduce
themselves (2) someone introduces that person to us, or (3) we find some
information about him.

I bet you think you have a Significant Point...
[/quote]
No, not really, Mark. Just taking the challenge you guys are throwing up,
and see how far I go before falling over or tire of the discussion (or
simply run away embarrassed). Some of these challenges are quite fresh to
me so it>s a bit of a wrestle.

If there were a significant point, it would rather be "... there is but one
Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live"
(1 Corinthians 8:6) and "a fool says in 'there is no God'". (Psalms 14:1)

Cheers.

Roy Mock · Guest

"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
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[quote]On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:39:39 +1000, "Roy Mock"
roymock1@optusnet.com.au> in news message
3f623e37$0$6526$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> wrote:

I wonder about that. Where I am sitting everything I see has been made
by
someone. As we look out the window the roads, buildings, cars were made
by
someone. When we go to the countryside or the coast and see the trees,
rivers, hills, fauna, oceans - it seems to be inconsistent that they too
were not made by someone.

This argument is one of my personal favorites. It>s been a while
since someone has used it.

46. ARGUMENT FROM MASS PRODUCTION

(1) Barbie dolls were created.
(2) If Barbie dolls were created, then so were trees.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

http://facts4god.faithweb.com/thelist.html
[/quote]
Thanks for the correction, Liz.

Roy Mock · Guest

"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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[quote]"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
[/quote]
[snip].
[quote]
What about the reporters in the news media? They seem to go about their
business as though Bush was real.

What about 'em? I>ve already acknowledged that I believe that GW Bush
exists.
[/quote]
Well, there are accounts of God in the scriptures as well - what He said and
did.

[snip]
[quote]
I wonder about that. Where I am sitting everything I see has been made
by
someone. As we look out the window the roads, buildings, cars were made
by
someone. When we go to the countryside or the coast and see the trees,
rivers, hills, fauna, oceans - it seems to be inconsistent that they too
were not made by someone.

And then it also follows that the "someone" who made the "trees, rivers,
hills, fauna, oceans" would need to also be made by a "someone",
correct?
[/quote]
Well, Liz just corrected me on my line of reasoning here, so I would like to
retract this.

[quote]And, when you add that to the claim
that the being that authored the work is inerrent, ...

You are right that He has expressed Himself in the scriptures. All
persons
express themselves in some way or other.

So then was this being misquoted when he detailed abilities in his
believers that they do not have?
[/quote]
I>m not sure what you ment by 'abilities' here, John.

[snip]
[quote]
"In the past God spoke to our forefather through the prophets at many
times
and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by the
Son
.... " Hebrews 1:1-2.

You>d think that this being would be better at it. Instead he write a
book containing clear mistakes and absurdities.
[/quote]
I>m not sure what you had in mind here. Care to unpack a little?

Roy Mock · Guest

"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.12.08.10.17.499063@eac.org...
[quote]On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:30:24 +1000, Roy Mock wrote:

Even if we do not know God personally, we can find out something about
Him
by observing the world around us.

No you can>t. You have to *assume the god of your choice exists and *then
retrofit the universe to suit.
[/quote]
I hope not, Mark. I hope I>ve stayed away from frame-of-reference / grid /
ground rules [all these terms I>ve noticed I>ve used interchangeably
lately]. But someone like yourself may pull me up on this.

davers_dfd · Guest

In article <k8o6mvc6ke5sfdlupdil3udgb7iuhepvun@4ax.com>,
lacruiser@aol.com says...
:: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:50:35 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net>
:: wrote:
::
:: >> So, a viable human-chimp hybrid would cause them problems. I suspect
:: >> they would introduce something like "but it took human intervention - it
:: >> is not normal or according to the laws of nature", overlooking the fact
:: >> that hybrids in, say, ducks or horses are between species much more
:: >> biologically different than humans and chimps, both genetically and
:: >> developmentally. But fundamentalists are nothing if not fluid in their
:: >> application of logic and science.
:: >
:: >Well per Bible, Humans are her thru intervetntion of a higher intelligence,
:: >therefore I don>t see a problem with
:: >bringing into existence a manpanzee..
::
:: ...along with all those other wonderful mythical creatures that appear
:: in the bible, like unicorns and cockatrices.
::
http://www.rom.on.ca/pub/unicorn/uni21.html

;0)

davers
--
Always remember that you are unique!...
Just like everybody else!

http://www.despair.com/individuality.html

Mr & Mrs Mario Morino · Guest

"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0309141311.5cb047a6@posting.google.com...
[quote]
Carol has been caught in various vicious lies, with intent to slander
JW>s
[/quote]
** Only in your feverish "unserviced" brain. ;-)

[quote]If you want to get rid of Carol, tell her to go home and service her
husband, like any decent honorable housewife would.
[/quote]
** LOL!!!! Maybe YOU should go home and "service" your wife for a change.
She must need "servicing" by now. It>s been years, eh,... Jabbers? You
can>t? Oh too bad. Try a P-Implant. Maybe your ins. co. will cover the
costs. That will get you off Usenet for awhile..... :-D
--
MiKrobez, Carol & Linda Farr .....
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
====================================================><>

Mr & Mrs Mario Morino · Guest

"--sexkitten--" <not@naddress.com> wrote in message
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[quote]
"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:h78amvc24ktnp63ajftp6bltri41ge32i8@4ax.com...
On 14 Sep 2003 14:11:00 -0700, Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote:

Carol has been caught in various vicious lies, with intent to slander
JW>s

spewage snipped

Carol doesn>t need to slander JWs. You do a good enough job on your
own when you make statements like the following...

If you want to get rid of Carol, tell her to go home and service her
husband, like any decent honorable housewife would.

Do you think Jabriol would go away if we told him to go home and service
his
husband?
=======================[/quote]
Jabriol is IMPOTENT because of the disease he has and the meds he takes. He
can>t "service" his wife or anyone else. In his anger and frustration he
comes here to usenet and tortures those emotionally suffering, the abused
women, the depressed and anyone he thinks is vulnerable. It>s almost as
though he wants everyone to suffer even more because he>s so miserable and
unsatisfied with his life. He especially hates women, those who are NOT
passive, obedient JW women. I>ve watched this sick pervert operate here for
years now. He>s known as, and has been accused of being a
sociopath/psychopath. He>s obsessed with sex and violence as most people
come to realize, although he>s "cooled" off a bit in recent weeks. You can
feel/sense his "arousal and excitement" when he posts about bashing woman>s
faces in, whomping their head>s into bloody pulps, etc.
When other JWs ask questions he claims all his sick posts are "forgeries" by
the hundreds of people who despise him here on Usenet. He refuses to take
responsibility for them.

On second though... maybe he is with another man now.......
--
MiKrobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
====================================================><>

Varicose Brain · Guest

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:37:16 +1000, "Roy Mock"
<roymock1@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

[quote]What about the reporters in the news media? They seem to go about their
business as though Bush was real.

What about 'em? I>ve already acknowledged that I believe that GW Bush
exists.

Well, there are accounts of God in the scriptures as well - what He said and
did.
[/quote]
There is an account of this guy named Gandalf defeating demon called a
balrog, but no one is suggesting that it actually happened.

Varicose Brain · Guest

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:46:59 -0700, davers_dfd
<davers_dfd@netzero.net> wrote:

[quote]:: >Well per Bible, Humans are her thru intervetntion of a higher intelligence,
:: >therefore I don>t see a problem with
:: >bringing into existence a manpanzee..
::
:: ...along with all those other wonderful mythical creatures that appear
:: in the bible, like unicorns and cockatrices.
::
http://www.rom.on.ca/pub/unicorn/uni21.html

;0)

davers
[/quote]
If you>d bother reading the thread, you>ll see that I already
commented on this in a previous response to jabbers.

John Hattan · Guest

"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

[quote]"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:tln4mv8qap1hm1krj65r8b4f87egag73ik@4ax.com...
"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

What about the reporters in the news media? They seem to go about their
business as though Bush was real.

What about 'em? I>ve already acknowledged that I believe that GW Bush
exists.

Well, there are accounts of God in the scriptures as well - what He said and
did.
[/quote]
There are accounts of lots of different gods and other fantasy creatures
doing lots of things in lots of ancient books.

If mention in an old book is sufficient evidence of existence, then
should I also believe that a Kraken lives in the Mediterranean Sea and
that flying dragons live in Central America?

[quote][snip]

I wonder about that. Where I am sitting everything I see has been made
by
someone. As we look out the window the roads, buildings, cars were made
by
someone. When we go to the countryside or the coast and see the trees,
rivers, hills, fauna, oceans - it seems to be inconsistent that they too
were not made by someone.

And then it also follows that the "someone" who made the "trees, rivers,
hills, fauna, oceans" would need to also be made by a "someone",
correct?

Well, Liz just corrected me on my line of reasoning here, so I would like to
retract this.
[/quote]
No prob.

[quote]And, when you add that to the claim
that the being that authored the work is inerrent, ...

You are right that He has expressed Himself in the scriptures. All
persons
express themselves in some way or other.

So then was this being misquoted when he detailed abilities in his
believers that they do not have?

I>m not sure what you ment by 'abilities' here, John.
[/quote]
Specifically Jesus' statement that believers can heal the sick, raise
the dead, digest poison without ill-effect, and fling a mountain into
the sea solely through the power of faith.

[quote]"In the past God spoke to our forefather through the prophets at many
times
and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by the
Son
.... " Hebrews 1:1-2.

You>d think that this being would be better at it. Instead he write a
book containing clear mistakes and absurdities.

I>m not sure what you had in mind here. Care to unpack a little?
[/quote]
Bats as birds, cud-chewing rabbits, seven-day creations, irreconcilable
resurrection accounts, destroyed cities that were never destroyed, the
list goes on and on.

---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com


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