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David Jensen
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In alt.talk.creationism, Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in
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[quote]Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<Xns940981C7323Fericvgillyahoocom@24.28.95.150>...
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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In alt.talk.creationism, Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in
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Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Charles & Mambo <Duckman@get.lost> wrote in
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JaBrIoL wrote:
It is said that Homosapien been around for 200k yrs plus.
why is it, we can only find 6k plus of ancient culture or
writing?
You mean besides what we find from up to 30,000 or so years
earlier?
ok 30k, how come we have no evidence of civilization 30k yrs ago?
Because humans had not invented civilization yet.
why?
Why should they?
You seem hell bent that civilization should have *poofed* into existance
along with humans - why?
Something *coherent* for once, or a sudden atatck of honesty and admit
that you cannot come up with anything.
I am taliking here about human intelligence, it is associated with civilization.
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But hunter-gatherer tribes are also smart. They use it in different
ways.
See _Guns, Germs and Steel_ by Jared Diamond. |
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Eric Gill
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in
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[quote]Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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In alt.talk.creationism, Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in
d222de3e.0310021007.69deed08@posting.google.com>:
Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Piggybacking:
Charles & Mambo <Duckman@get.lost> wrote in
news:3F7B0347.6000404@get.lost:
JaBrIoL wrote:
It is said that Homosapien been around for 200k yrs plus.
why is it, we can only find 6k plus of ancient culture or
writing?
You mean besides what we find from up to 30,000 or so years
earlier?
ok 30k, how come we have no evidence of civilization 30k yrs ago?
Because humans had not invented civilization yet.
why?
Why should they?
You seem hell bent that civilization should have *poofed* into
existance along with humans - why?
Something *coherent* for once, or a sudden atatck of honesty and
admit that you cannot come up with anything.
I am taliking here about human intelligence, it is associated with
civilization.
[/quote]
I said *coherent*, Jabbers. Try agin.
*WHY?* |
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Eugene Kent
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 6:11 am Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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How old are the cave and rock paintings?
"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Charles & Mambo <Duckman@get.lost> wrote in
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JaBrIoL wrote:
It is said that Homosapien been around for 200k yrs plus.
why is it, we can only find 6k plus of ancient culture or
writing?
You mean besides what we find from up to 30,000 or so years earlier?
ok 30k, how come we have no evidence of civilization 30k yrs ago?[/quote] |
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Eugene Kent
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 6:16 am Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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Civilizing Homo-Sapiens begin with the emergence of the first pair.
What you need to ask is when did humanity first start to urbanized.
Even the Neanderthals buried their dead with objects.
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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[quote]In alt.talk.creationism, Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in
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Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Charles & Mambo <Duckman@get.lost> wrote in
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JaBrIoL wrote:
It is said that Homosapien been around for 200k yrs plus.
why is it, we can only find 6k plus of ancient culture or
writing?
You mean besides what we find from up to 30,000 or so years earlier?
ok 30k, how come we have no evidence of civilization 30k yrs ago?
Because humans had not invented civilization yet.[/quote] |
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Eugene Kent
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 6:31 am Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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2,400,000 years ago. Date of the oldest known stone tools, from Hadai,
Ethiopia and the start of the African Lower Paleolithic.
2,000,000 years ago. Stone choppers, from Olauvai Gorge, Tanzania, initiate
the Olddawan culture.
1,600,000 years ago Earliest evidence of the use of fire., at Chesowanja,
Kenya and Swartkrans. (South Africa)
300,000 years ago. Possibly the oldest known human structure; a hut is found
at Terra Amata France.
100,000 years ago Modern humans begin their migration out of Africa.
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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[quote]In alt.talk.creationism, "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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In alt.talk.creationism, Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in
d222de3e.0310021007.69deed08@posting.google.com>:
Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Piggybacking:
Charles & Mambo <Duckman@get.lost> wrote in
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JaBrIoL wrote:
It is said that Homosapien been around for 200k yrs plus.
why is it, we can only find 6k plus of ancient culture or
writing?
You mean besides what we find from up to 30,000 or so years earlier?
ok 30k, how come we have no evidence of civilization 30k yrs ago?
Because humans had not invented civilization yet.
why?
I don>t know, but I would speculate that it probably was because they
were all hunter-gatherers and there was no need to invent civilization.[/quote] |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 6:54 am Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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You>re cross posting this to a Jehovah>s Witless NG. They believe Jehovah
created Adam and Eve just like human beings are today. They even had the
equivalent of college degrees. They used knives and forks to eat and ate
nothing but fruits and veggies. Ask Jabriol. He>ll tell you. Words such
as Paleolithic and Stone age are obscene words to them and never used. All
they know about early man is what their Witchtower magazines tell them.
Jehovah took some earth and made a human.....
--
Dicky.....
"Men (like Jabriol) never do evil so completely and
cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
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"Eugene Kent" <eugenekent@fuse.net> wrote in message
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[quote]2,400,000 years ago. Date of the oldest known stone tools, from Hadai,
Ethiopia and the start of the African Lower Paleolithic.
2,000,000 years ago. Stone choppers, from Olauvai Gorge, Tanzania,
initiate
the Olddawan culture.
1,600,000 years ago Earliest evidence of the use of fire., at Chesowanja,
Kenya and Swartkrans. (South Africa)
300,000 years ago. Possibly the oldest known human structure; a hut is
found
at Terra Amata France.
100,000 years ago Modern humans begin their migration out of Africa.[/quote] |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 7:00 am Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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"Eric Gill" <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[quote]"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in news:cj1fb.5363607$mA4.761769
Why should they?
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You seem hell bent that civilization should have *poofed* into existance
along with humans - why?
[/quote]
** Because that>s what Jabriol (a devout Jehovah>s Witless) was taught by
the Witchtower Sicksiety. Shortly after Adam and Eve were tossed out of
Eden by Jehovah, a loving and forgiving war-mongering god, cities and towns
MAGICALLY sprang up all around them. Ask Jabbers, he>ll explain how they
all suddenly appeared out of nowhere. He>ll tell you the thrilling story
of how Adam and Eve>s children took husbands and wives from these
cities.....
[quote]Something *coherent* for once, or a sudden atatck of honesty and admit
that you cannot come up with anything.
[/quote]
** Jabriol is looking for converts to his cult and nothing more. First he
has to get you all to believe there was a magical creation by some big sky
daddy some 30,000 years ago - unless the Watchtower got more NEW-LIGHT from
their special god and changed the time period again.
--
MiKrobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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jabriol
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 12:06 am Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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"Eugene Kent" <eugenekent@fuse.net> wrote in message
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[quote]Civilizing Homo-Sapiens begin with the emergence of the first pair.
What you need to ask is when did humanity first start to urbanized.
Even the Neanderthals buried their dead with objects.
[/quote]
Wrong, the Neanderthals did not bury their dead. they left them behind with
their personal items... |
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jabriol
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 12:12 am Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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"Eugene Kent" <eugenekent@fuse.net> wrote in message
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[quote]2,400,000 years ago. Date of the oldest known stone tools, from Hadai,
Ethiopia and the start of the African Lower Paleolithic.
[/quote]
the stones could be that old. but does it mean it was that long ago, it was
manufactured, that long ago?
[quote]2,000,000 years ago. Stone choppers, from Olauvai Gorge, Tanzania,
initiate
the Olddawan culture.
[/quote]
[quote]1,600,000 years ago Earliest evidence of the use of fire., at Chesowanja,
Kenya and Swartkrans. (South Africa)
[/quote]
so how did the homo sapien it before? sushi
[quote]300,000 years ago. Possibly the oldest known human structure; a hut is
found
at Terra Amata France.
100,000 years ago Modern humans begin their migration out of Africa.
[/quote]
there goes the neighbourhood... |
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jabriol
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 12:16 am Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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"~~<~~<~~{@" <CrooksAndLiars@theWickedWTs.net> wrote in message
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[quote]You>re cross posting this to a Jehovah>s Witless NG. They believe Jehovah
created Adam and Eve just like human beings are today. They even had the
equivalent of college degrees. They used knives and forks to eat and ate
nothing but fruits and veggies. Ask Jabriol. He>ll tell you.
[/quote]
What I can tell you, is that carol hatred for jw>s is astounding, do you
know she agree with pedophelia, unless the pedophiles is a JW?
isnt that whacked??? |
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Eugene Kent
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 5:57 am Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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Why don>t you post the pre-Kindergarten Missile that you are quoting from.
Should really bring enlightening scholastic thought to evolution.
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"Eugene Kent" <eugenekent@fuse.net> wrote in message
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2,400,000 years ago. Date of the oldest known stone tools, from Hadai,
Ethiopia and the start of the African Lower Paleolithic.
the stones could be that old. but does it mean it was that long ago, it
was
manufactured, that long ago?
2,000,000 years ago. Stone choppers, from Olauvai Gorge, Tanzania,
initiate
the Olddawan culture.
1,600,000 years ago Earliest evidence of the use of fire., at
Chesowanja,
Kenya and Swartkrans. (South Africa)
so how did the homo sapien it before? sushi
300,000 years ago. Possibly the oldest known human structure; a hut is
found
at Terra Amata France.
100,000 years ago Modern humans begin their migration out of Africa.
there goes the neighbourhood...
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Eugene Kent
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 6:38 am Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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From "The Neanderthals" 'The Proper study of
mankind'
Page 186
"The man that we found (Neanderthal) was intentionally buried. He was
deposited at the bottom of a trench dug into the marly soil of the cave;
this soil, white-colored and hard to dig , is distinctly different from that
of the archaeological layer. This grave or trench... was almost rectangular,
with a width of 1 meter, a length of one meter 45 centimeters , and a depth
of about 30 centimeters.
The body was orientated in it approximately east-west, lying on its back,
the head to the west, touching the edge of the hole in one corner and wedged
in place by several stones. The right arm was bent, going back towards the
head; the left arm was straight. The legs were also bent back towards the
right.
Over the head were placed three or four large fragments of long bone; over
them, still articulate , was the end of a large bovid metatarsal, the two
first phalanges and one second phalanx [bones of the lower leg and hoof].
Evident proof that the leg was placed there with meat on-perhaps as
nourishment for the dead person---(proof also that the grave had never been
disturbed). Around the rest of the body were a great number of quartz
flakes, of dressed flints, several fragments of ochre, broken bones,ect., as
in the rest of the archaeological layer.
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"Eugene Kent" <eugenekent@fuse.net> wrote in message
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Civilizing Homo-Sapiens begin with the emergence of the first pair.
What you need to ask is when did humanity first start to urbanized.
Even the Neanderthals buried their dead with objects.
Wrong, the Neanderthals did not bury their dead. they left them behind
with
their personal items...
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Varicose Brain
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:25 am Post subject: Re: TOBS: Evolution of the human mind. Borrow and Tipler |
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:16:32 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net>
wrote:
[quote]
"~~<~~<~~{@" <CrooksAndLiars@theWickedWTs.net> wrote in message
news:3f7e1a32@news.isdn.net...
You>re cross posting this to a Jehovah>s Witless NG. They believe Jehovah
created Adam and Eve just like human beings are today. They even had the
equivalent of college degrees. They used knives and forks to eat and ate
nothing but fruits and veggies. Ask Jabriol. He>ll tell you.
What I can tell you, is that carol hatred for jw>s is astounding, do you
know she agree with pedophelia, unless the pedophiles is a JW?
isnt that whacked???
[/quote]
Do you have a quote from one of her posts that verifies this, or are
you just farting in the wind as you normally do? |
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