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 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: This Year>s Ozone Hole Has Broken New Records For Area And |
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So much for the wacko Montreal Protocol!
October 27, 2008
QUOTE: NASA and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
scientists report this year>s ozone hole in the polar region of the
Southern Hemisphere has broken records for area and depth.
QUOTE: And here is something even odder. Now that we>ve agreed that our
wicked gases were mostly to blame, and spent all the money to cut them
out, the panic over the ozone hole above us has vanished - even though
that hole is getting bigger almost by the year.
QUOTE: Shouldn>t we panic even more now, or was that past panic just a
tool? And did it panic us into doing stuff that was actually a bit dumb?
Scientists now debate that very point.
Another fiercely-defended scientific consensus is questioned - billions
of dollars later:
A University of Waterloo scientist says that cosmic rays are a key cause
for expanding the hole in the ozone layer over the South Pole - and
predicts the largest ozone hole will occur in one or two weeks.
Qing-Bin Lu, a professor of physics and astronomy who studies ozone
depletion, said that it was generally accepted for more than two decades
that the Earth>s ozone layer is depleted by chlorine atoms produced by
sunlight-induced destruction of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) in the
atmosphere. But more and more evidence now points to a new theory that
the cosmic rays (energy particles that originate in space) play a major
role.
Lu is predicting an even bigger hole than the one NASA measured just two
years ago:
NASA and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
scientists report this year>s ozone hole in the polar region of the
Southern Hemisphere has broken records for area and depth.
This may surprise you, because - as CNN notes - the man-made gases we
primarily blamed for the ozone hole were phased out a long time ago:
Those gases originate from man-made products like chlorofluorocarbons,
or CFCs, which were phased out under a global agreement two decades ago
but continue to linger in the atmosphere.
And here is something even odder. Now that we>ve agreed that our wicked
gases were mostly to blame, and spent all the money to cut them out, the
panic over the ozone hole above us has vanished - even though that hole
is getting bigger almost by the year.
Shouldn>t we panic even more now, or was that past panic just a tool?
And did it panic us into doing stuff that was actually a bit dumb?
Scientists now debate that very point.
There>s a warning here. That said:
The hole in the ozone layer that appears over the polar regions each
spring will gradually begin to shrink and should close completely within
50 years, according to new estimates of the impact of a world ban on
ozone-destroying chemicals.
UPDATE
This news will, of course, come as yet another surprise to our friend
Professor Barry Brook, Director of the Research Institute for Climate
Change and Sustainability at the University of Adelaide.
Brook, after all, is the expert who told global warming guru Ross
Garnaut:
The destruction of stratospheric ozone by various gases was successfully
halted bythe 1987 Montreal protocol.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/a_hole_lot_of_warming_lessons/
--
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
"If scientists say they are 100% sure, or that they are absolutely
certain about the cause and effect and ignore variables which might show
that they could be wrong, they are practicing junk science. Junk science
happens when scientists believe something based on just some of what
they see." |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: Re: This Year>s Bonzo Stupidity Has Broken New Records For A |
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bnzoo dribbled:
[quote]So how many decades since th wacko Montreal Protocol was instituted?
[/quote]
There are two factors here that you are clearly overlooking:
- CFCs take 50-100 years to break down, and take a decade-or-so to
make their way to the Ozone layer, meaning a ban made 10-20 years ago
won>t have any observable effect yet.
- Many countries are run by wackos such as yourself and haven>t
actually ceased producing and emitting CFCs yet.
[quote]Why isn>t the ozone hole gradually shrinking since then?
[/quote]
The trend, pre-ban was of massive annual growth in the hole. That
trend has been reversed.
[quote]Why is the ozone hole now breaking new records for size?
[/quote]
It isn>t. Doh!
[quote]Questions, questions ....
[/quote]
Here>s the answer:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/sbuv2to/gif_files/ozone_hole_plot.png
As you can see, current Southern Hemisphere Ozone area is less than it
was in 2006, well under the maximums for the past decades, and
currently sitting round about on the mean for the last decade.
[quote]Because the Montreal Protocol was a money-making scam, just like wacko
AGW "science"!!!
[/quote]
Well, the same sort of whackos have come out of the woodwork on both
issues, yes, nice to see you all. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: Re: This Year>s Ozone Hole Has Broken New Records For Area A |
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"Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:1780260c-9ecc-4cc3-81cd-ddae6025125a@u29g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 26, 9:41 pm, "bznoo" <bz...@rs.com> wrote:
[quote]So much for the wacko Montreal Protocol!
October 27, 2008
QUOTE: NASA and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
scientists report this year>s ozone hole in the polar region of the
Southern Hemisphere has broken records for area and depth.
QUOTE: And here is something even odder. Now that we>ve agreed that
our
wicked gases were mostly to blame, and spent all the money to cut them
out, the panic over the ozone hole above us has vanished - even though
that hole is getting bigger almost by the year.
QUOTE: Shouldn>t we panic even more now, or was that past panic just a
tool? And did it panic us into doing stuff that was actually a bit
dumb?
Scientists now debate that very point.
Another fiercely-defended scientific consensus is questioned -
billions
of dollars later:
A University of Waterloo scientist says that cosmic rays are a key
cause
for expanding the hole in the ozone layer over the South Pole - and
predicts the largest ozone hole will occur in one or two weeks.
[/quote]
No such mechanism for reaction with ozone. Cl radicals do have a well-
studied, well-understood mechanism.
Geez, Man, the Nobel Prize has been awarded here. Move on to
something less settled, like the earth going around the sun.
[quote]Qing-Bin Lu, a professor of physics and astronomy who studies ozone
depletion, said that it was generally accepted for more than two
decades
that the Earth>s ozone layer is depleted by chlorine atoms produced by
sunlight-induced destruction of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) in the
atmosphere. But more and more evidence now points to a new theory that
the cosmic rays (energy particles that originate in space) play a
major
role.
[/quote]
No it doesn>t.
[quote]Lu is predicting an even bigger hole than the one NASA measured just
two
years ago:
NASA and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
scientists report this year>s ozone hole in the polar region of the
Southern Hemisphere has broken records for area and depth.
This may surprise you, because - as CNN notes - the man-made gases we
primarily blamed for the ozone hole were phased out a long time ago:
[/quote]
Ever take a science class? It takes decades for CFCs to make their
way up to the stratosphere, and then decades for the Cl radicals to be
removed from the cycle.
*******************************************************
ROTFLMAO
So why is the ozone hole growing to new record levels then?
If what you say is true then the hole should be gradually shrinking.
The ozone hole scare sounds like a money-making scam very similar to the
current AGW hoax!
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Warmest Regards
Bonzo
The Fourth Report of the IPCC might just as well decree the
suppression of all climatology textbooks, and replace them in our
schools with press communiqués. ... Day after day, the same mantra -
that 'the Earth is warming up' - is churned out in all its forms. As
'the
ice melts' and 'sea level rises' the Apocalypse looms ever nearer!
Without realizing it, or perhaps without wishing to, the average
citizen in bamboozled, lobotomized, and lulled into mindless acceptance.
.... Non-believers in the greenhouse scenario are in the
position of those long ago who doubted the existence of God ...
Marcel Leroux
It should be abundantly clear by now that the AGW hypothesis is
contradicted by the facts/measurements/observations and should
therefore be abandoned and be substituted by a hypothesis which
better matches the facts.
- Hans Labohm |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: Re: This Year>s Ozone Hole Has Broken New Records For Area A |
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"Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:1780260c-9ecc-4cc3-81cd-ddae6025125a@u29g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 26, 9:41 pm, "bznoo" <bz...@rs.com> wrote:
It takes decades for CFCs to make their
way up to the stratosphere, and then decades for the Cl radicals to be
removed from the cycle.
*****************************************************
So how many decades since th wacko Montreal Protocol was instituted?
Why isn>t the ozone hole gradually shrinking since then?
Why is the ozone hole now breaking new records for size?
Questions, questions ....
Because the Montreal Protocol was a money-making scam, just like wacko
AGW "science"!!!
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Warmest Regards
Bonzo
"The great sin of capitalism is its unequal distribution of benefits.
The great virtue of socialism is its equal distribution of miseries."
Winston Churchill |
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Lloyd
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: This Year>s Bonzo Stupidity Has Broken New Records For A |
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On Oct 29, 1:58 am, mohamada.alma...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]bnzoo dribbled:
So how many decades since th wacko Montreal Protocol was instituted?
There are two factors here that you are clearly overlooking:
- CFCs take 50-100 years to break down, and take a decade-or-so to
make their way to the Ozone layer, meaning a ban made 10-20 years ago
won>t have any observable effect yet.
- Many countries are run by wackos such as yourself and haven>t
actually ceased producing and emitting CFCs yet.
Why isn>t the ozone hole gradually shrinking since then?
The trend, pre-ban was of massive annual growth in the hole. That
trend has been reversed.
Why is the ozone hole now breaking new records for size?
It isn>t. Doh!
Questions, questions ....
Here>s the answer:http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/sbuv2to/gif_files/...
As you can see, current Southern Hemisphere Ozone area is less than it
was in 2006, well under the maximums for the past decades, and
currently sitting round about on the mean for the last decade.
Because the Montreal Protocol was a money-making scam, just like wacko
AGW "science"!!!
Well, the same sort of whackos have come out of the woodwork on both
issues, yes, nice to see you all.
[/quote]
Next, Bonzo will question the existence of atoms, since he>s never
actually seen one. |
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