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Greg D. Moore (Strider) · Guest

"Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote in message
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[quote]Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
"bob haller safety advocate" <hallerb@aol.com> wrote in message
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Geesh Bob, have you never learned how to read?

Geesh, Greg, you have to even ask? :-)

[/quote]
Eh, I>m grouchy. :-)

[quote]This has been discussed before.

The astronaut would activate their SAFER unit and make their way back to
the station.

After that, I believe (and I>m not going to bother to do your homework
here) after that, if the SAFER doesn>t work, the shuttle crew would board
the shuttle and begin undocking ops. Recovery of an astronaut using the
payload bay as a huge catcher>s mitt was tested on an earlier mission.

Of course, you have to have multiple failures to occur for all this to
occur.

Right. ISS EVAs use dual-tether protocol. So we>re talking two tether
failures and one SAFER failure here.
[/quote]
Also don>t most EVA involve the use of the SSRMS? I suspect there might be
an attempt in some cases to mane that.

I recall a STS mission (I think a Hubble one) where an astronaut dropped a
bolt or something and the operator in the shuttle was able to mane the
astronaut quickly and safely enough to let him/her recover it.

--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

John Doe · Guest

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:

[quote]Also don>t most EVA involve the use of the SSRMS? I suspect there might be
an attempt in some cases to mane that.
[/quote]
Forgetting the established "must train for 6 months before moving the
arm by 1cm" procedures, would crews be able to dynamically manipulate
the arm to reach an unprogrammed position ?

I take it that it would take hours of slow and meticulous work to move
the SSRMS to a position where it could start to be handled more
dynamically without fear of it colliding with the station ?

Is situational awareness with just the cameras on the arm and station
sufficient, would would attempt to grapple some floating object be more
succesful if an astronaut were strapped to the arm or DEXTRE and telling
arm operators "half a meter to the left" type of commands ?

Jorge R. Frank · Guest

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
[quote]
I recall a STS mission (I think a Hubble one) where an astronaut dropped a
bolt or something and the operator in the shuttle was able to mane the
astronaut quickly and safely enough to let him/her recover it.
[/quote]
That>s correct.

bob haller safety advocat · Guest

On Nov 21, 7:38ï¿½pm, OM <om@all_trolls_must_DIE.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:27:36 -0500, "Jeff Findley"

jeff.find...@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:
As the Boy Scout motto says, be prepared.

Be prepared! That>s the Boy Scout>s marching song,
Be prepared! As through life you march along.
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well,
Don>t write naughty words on walls if you can>t spell.

Be prepared! To hide that pack of cigarettes,
Don>t make book if you cannot cover bets.
Keep those reefers hidden where you>re sure
That they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them
When the scoutmaster>s around
For he only will insist that it be shared.
Be prepared!

Be prepared! That>s the Boy Scouts' solemn creed,
Be prepared! And be clean in word and deed.
Don>t solicit for your sister, that>s not nice,
Unless you get a good percentage of her price.

Be prepared! And be careful not to do
Your good deeds when there>s no one watching you.
If you>re looking for adventure of a new and different kind,
And you come across a Girl Scout who is similarly inclined,
Don>t be nervous, don>t be flustered, don>t be scared.
Be prepared!

ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ OM
nasa needs some of this, since they never planned for a shuttle stuck[/quote]
at station till coumbia...

OM · Guest

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:27:36 -0500, "Jeff Findley"
<jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:

[quote]As the Boy Scout motto says, be prepared.
[/quote]
Be prepared! That>s the Boy Scout>s marching song,
Be prepared! As through life you march along.
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well,
Don>t write naughty words on walls if you can>t spell.

Be prepared! To hide that pack of cigarettes,
Don>t make book if you cannot cover bets.
Keep those reefers hidden where you>re sure
That they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them
When the scoutmaster>s around
For he only will insist that it be shared.
Be prepared!

Be prepared! That>s the Boy Scouts' solemn creed,
Be prepared! And be clean in word and deed.
Don>t solicit for your sister, that>s not nice,
Unless you get a good percentage of her price.

Be prepared! And be careful not to do
Your good deeds when there>s no one watching you.
If you>re looking for adventure of a new and different kind,
And you come across a Girl Scout who is similarly inclined,
Don>t be nervous, don>t be flustered, don>t be scared.
Be prepared!

OM
--
]=====================================[
] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [
] Let>s face it: Sometimes you *need* [
] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [
]=====================================[

Leopold Stotch · Guest

bob haller safety advocate wrote:
[quote]On Nov 21, 7:38ï¿½pm, OM <om@all_trolls_must_DIE.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:27:36 -0500, "Jeff Findley"

jeff.find...@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:
As the Boy Scout motto says, be prepared.
Be prepared! That>s the Boy Scout>s marching song,
Be prepared! As through life you march along.
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well,
Don>t write naughty words on walls if you can>t spell.

Be prepared! To hide that pack of cigarettes,
Don>t make book if you cannot cover bets.
Keep those reefers hidden where you>re sure
That they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them
When the scoutmaster>s around
For he only will insist that it be shared.
Be prepared!

Be prepared! That>s the Boy Scouts' solemn creed,
Be prepared! And be clean in word and deed.
Don>t solicit for your sister, that>s not nice,
Unless you get a good percentage of her price.

Be prepared! And be careful not to do
Your good deeds when there>s no one watching you.
If you>re looking for adventure of a new and different kind,
And you come across a Girl Scout who is similarly inclined,
Don>t be nervous, don>t be flustered, don>t be scared.
Be prepared!

ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ OM
nasa needs some of this, since they never planned for a shuttle stuck
at station till coumbia...
[/quote]
You really are a completely humorless person, aren>t you?

Jeff Findley · Guest

"Leopold Stotch" <butters@southpark.org> wrote in message
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[quote]bob haller safety advocate wrote:
nasa needs some of this, since they never planned for a shuttle stuck
at station till coumbia...

You really are a completely humorless person, aren>t you?
[/quote]
Killfile Bob Haller. He>s a chicken little who>s always complaining that
the sky is falling. He contributes nothing of value to these newsgroups.

Jeff
--
beb - To paraphrase Stephen Colbert, reality has an anti-Ares I bias.

bob haller safety advocat · Guest

On Nov 24, 10:56ï¿½am, "Jeff Findley" <jeff.find...@ugs.nojunk.com>
wrote:
[quote]"Leopold Stotch" <butt...@southpark.org> wrote in message

news:EO1Wk.391790$TT4.173088@attbi_s22...

bob haller safety advocate wrote:
nasa needs some of this, since they never planned for a shuttle stuck
at station till coumbia...

You really are a completely humorless person, aren>t you?

Killfile Bob Haller. ï¿½He>s a chicken little who>s always complaining that
the sky is falling. ï¿½He contributes nothing of value to these newsgroups.

Jeff
--
beb - To paraphrase Stephen Colbert, reality has an anti-Ares I bias.
[/quote]
go look back BEFORE COLUMBIA LOSS. I asked specifically about a
shuttle stuck at station. jeff and others called me chicken little.

sadly it turned out I was right,

jeff doesnt like that

bob haller safety advocat · Guest

The lost bag has been imaged from the ground, wonder how long till it
re enters?

Greg D. Moore (Strider) · Guest

"Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote in message
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[quote]The first US EVA was done on Gemini. Gemini EVA>s were done with an
umbilical connection to the Gemini capsule, so there was zero possibility
of an astronaut floating away. The same was true for Skylab EVA>s. I>m
not sure about the "stand-up" Apollo EVA>s, but it>s pretty easy to see
the umbilicals in pictures since they>re so much ticker than the tethers
used on shuttle/ISS EMU EVA>s.

[/quote]
I recall that the Skylab Umbilicals had some sort of "locking chain".
Series of links with thick cord through them or something so tehy could
"lock" the umbilical in position.

Anyone else recall that?

[quote]
[/quote]

--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

snidely · Guest

On Nov 20, 10:21 pm, "Jorge R. Frank" <jrfr...@ibm-pc.borg> wrote:
[quote]Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:

I recall a STS mission (I think a Hubble one) where an astronaut dropped a
bolt or something and the operator in the shuttle was able to mane the
[/quote]
sory for being a slow reader, but "mane"? Is that shorthand for
"manouver", or a technical term that has so far not been part of my
education?

[quote]astronaut quickly and safely enough to let him/her recover it.

That>s correct.
[/quote]
And is right, too? (sorry, humor switch not under manual control)

/dps

Greg D. Moore (Strider) · Guest

That>s a combination of move and maneuver ::-)

(Seriously, I suspect that I had originally misspelled it and then hit the
suggested response on spell-check a bit too quickly. :-)

"snidely" <Snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 10:21 pm, "Jorge R. Frank" <jrfr...@ibm-pc.borg> wrote:
[quote]Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:

I recall a STS mission (I think a Hubble one) where an astronaut dropped
a
bolt or something and the operator in the shuttle was able to mane the
[/quote]
sory for being a slow reader, but "mane"? Is that shorthand for
"manouver", or a technical term that has so far not been part of my
education?

[quote]astronaut quickly and safely enough to let him/her recover it.

That>s correct.
[/quote]
And is right, too? (sorry, humor switch not under manual control)

/dps

snidely · Guest

On Dec 10, 5:15 am, "Greg D. Moore $Strider$"
<mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote:
[quote]That>s a combination of move and maneuver ::-)

(Seriously, I suspect that I had originally misspelled it and then hit the
suggested response on spell-check a bit too quickly. :-)
[/quote]
Thanks!


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