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Richard Schultz · Guest

In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
: On Jul 29, 9:38 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:

:> why don>t you answer my questions about the discovery of
:> high-temperature superconductivity?

: A place to begin is to consider the resistance
: of a current flowing through a vacuum such as
: in a CRT between the cathode and anode.

What, if anything, has this to do with the questions that I asked?

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . .Mr Schutz [sic] acts like a functional electro-terrorist who
impeads [sic] scientific communications with his too oft-silliness."
-- Mitchell Swartz, sci.physics.fusion article <EEI1oz.43q@world.std.com>

Ken S. Tucker · Guest

On Jul 30, 2:10 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
[quote]In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
: On Jul 29, 9:38 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:

:> why don>t you answer my questions about the discovery of
:> high-temperature superconductivity?

: A place to begin is to consider the resistance
: of a current flowing through a vacuum such as
: in a CRT between the cathode and anode.

What, if anything, has this to do with the questions that I asked?
[/quote]
We must know you level of education, tell us.
Ken

Richard Schultz · Guest

In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
: On Jul 30, 2:10 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
:> In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
:> : On Jul 29, 9:38 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:

:> :> why don>t you answer my questions about the discovery of
:> :> high-temperature superconductivity?

:> : A place to begin is to consider the resistance
:> : of a current flowing through a vacuum such as
:> : in a CRT between the cathode and anode.

:> What, if anything, has this to do with the questions that I asked?

: We must know you level of education, tell us.

What, if anything, has this to do with the questions that I asked?

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don>t even have a clue about which clue you>re missing."

Benj · Guest

On Jul 29, 4:26 pm, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> wrote:

[quote]Yep. That>s right "Bob". The discussion has been successfully
torpedoed and sunk. You guys have earned your pay and there is nothing
more to say but "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".

Sure there is: "You>re friggin' insane. Stupid, too."
[/quote]
Cite please?

[quote]Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]
[/quote]
You mean the space in your head? You and Schultz seem to only be able
to make pronouncements without any proof or references. I take it you
guys are so great that you don>t need any additional authority beyond
your word. You both are here to do nothing but throw chaff in the
wind to make the unsuspecting sneeze. Anyone (such a CWatters) with
an interest in "cold fusion" or other "forbidden topics" would do well
to follow my lead and refuse to respond to any of you or your
prepubescent schoolyard taunts. A killfile is too good for you guys.

Lessee if I got it right this time:

Insane/stupid = Questions all theories and demands experimental
support for ideas
Smarter than Einstein = Accepts every word out of your mouth without
question.

bye.

Richard Schultz · Guest

In sci.physics.fusion Bill Miller <billmillerkt4ye@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

: The reason for my question is that there are several Helium wells in the
: world. It is a scarce (but essentially useless) element whose only
: commercially viable use is for lighter-than-air devices.

You can stop right there -- liquid He is used a refrigerant for
superconducting magnets used in, e.g., NMR spectrometers.

: For one, the Hindenburg would not have blown up.

Actually, it didn>t blow up -- it caught fire.

: Where does this Helium come from? Three sources I can think of:

: 1. It is left over from a few Billion years ago when the Earth was still hot
: enough for fusion.

The earth was never hot enough for fusion.

: 2. It is generated by some non-fusion process that I do not understand.

It is generated by radioactive decay of uranium and thorium.

: 3. It is/was generated by some natural "cold" fusion process.

Steve Jones thought that there might be a *small* amount of natural
cold fusion going on. IIRC, he was looking for tritium, which would be
a more easily detected signature. I don>t know that he ever found any.

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . .Mr Schutz [sic] acts like a functional electro-terrorist who
impeads [sic] scientific communications with his too oft-silliness."
-- Mitchell Swartz, sci.physics.fusion article <EEI1oz.43q@world.std.com>

Richard Schultz · Guest

In sci.physics.fusion Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote:

: You mean the space in your head? You and Schultz seem to only be able
: to make pronouncements without any proof or references.

What proof or references have you given to any of your pronouncements?
All I saw were a bunch of buzzwords that you admitted were irrelevant.

: Insane/stupid = Questions all theories and demands experimental
: support for ideas

It is fairly stupid to question "all" theories, since some theories are much
more strongly grounded than others. In my experience, it>s more a matter
of ignorance than stupidity.

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . .Mr Schutz [sic] acts like a functional electro-terrorist who
impeads [sic] scientific communications with his too oft-silliness."
-- Mitchell Swartz, sci.physics.fusion article <EEI1oz.43q@world.std.com>

Ken S. Tucker · Guest

On Jul 30, 4:39 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
[quote]In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
: On Jul 30, 2:10 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
:> In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
:> : On Jul 29, 9:38 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:

:> :> why don>t you answer my questions about the discovery of
:> :> high-temperature superconductivity?

:> : A place to begin is to consider the resistance
:> : of a current flowing through a vacuum such as
:> : in a CRT between the cathode and anode.

:> What, if anything, has this to do with the questions that I asked?

: We must know you level of education, tell us.

What, if anything, has this to do with the questions that I asked?
[/quote]
You may not understand the answer, or I may
not be up to your level of understanding.
Ken

[quote]-----
Richard Schultz schu...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don>t even have a clue about which clue you>re missing."[/quote]

Bill Miller · Guest

"Richard Schultz" <schultr@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
news:g6m555$fac$1@news.iucc.ac.il...
[quote]In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

: Hi Richard, I presume your questions
: below are rhetorical, otherwise please
: spec which are serious.

This is not rhetorical: top-posting is considered very bad form. I
meant for you to think about all of the questions that I asked in the
(presumably vain) hope that you might be able to reach the obvious
conclusion on your own once you were given enough clues.

:> How long did it take from Budnorz and Muller>s announcement of "high-T"
:> superconductivity in cuprates for someone to reproduce their results?
:> How long did it take to find a material that it is superconductive at
:> T > 77 K (i.e. above the boiling point of N2)? How long did it take to
:> develop a device that used a high-T superconductor?
:
:> How many of those developments depended on a detailed theory of the
behavior
:> of high-T superconductors?
:
:> How long has it been since Pons and Fleischmann claimed to have a
:> *working* cold fusion water heater?

: If I were to suggest in 1935 that a metal can explode with 1,000,000x
more
: energy/weight than TNT,

H.G. Wells suggested it in 1902.

: I>m sure you would have scoffed, but with a great effort of theory and
: experiment the A-bomb and H-bomb were developed.

That is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. Why don>t you
answer the questions above and then think about why what you wrote about
the A-bomb was a straw man.

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don>t even have a clue about which clue you>re missing."
[/quote]
It seems the the presence or absence of He is a key "pointer" to fusion --
cold or otherwise. It seems that without He, it is clear that fusion has NOT
occurred.

Is the inverse true?

The reason for my question is that there are several Helium wells in the
world. It is a scarce (but essentially useless) element whose only
commercially viable use is for lighter-than-air devices. (Novelists
attention: What would have happened if the US had agreed to sell the Third
Reich Helium? For one, the Hindenburg would not have blown up.) But I
digress.

Where does this Helium come from? Three sources I can think of:

1. It is left over from a few Billion years ago when the Earth was still hot
enough for fusion.
2. It is generated by some non-fusion process that I do not understand.
3. It is/was generated by some natural "cold" fusion process.

Could someone comment, please, on these three obvious sources of Helium?

Bill Miller

(Of course, there is a fourth possible source. Aliens visited the Earth some
years back and buried a few fusion plants in selected locations around the
world. There are probably more, but they cannot be located unless one looks
for them using a forked willow tree branch. Aluminium foil hat is optional.)

hhc314@yahoo.com · Guest

On Jul 30, 12:21 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
[quote]"Bill Miller" <billmillerkt...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

news:DG_jk.140669$102.71580@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
|
| "Richard Schultz" <schu...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
|news:g6m555$fac$1@news.iucc.ac.il...
| > In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
|
| > : Hi Richard, I presume your questions
| > : below are rhetorical, otherwise please
| > : spec which are serious.
|
| > This is not rhetorical: top-posting is considered very bad form. I
| > meant for you to think about all of the questions that I asked in the
| > (presumably vain) hope that you might be able to reach the obvious
| > conclusion on your own once you were given enough clues.
|
| > :> How long did it take from Budnorz and Muller>s announcement of
"high-T"
| > :> superconductivity in cuprates for someone to reproduce their results?
| > :> How long did it take to find a material that it is superconductive at
| > :> T > 77 K (i.e. above the boiling point of N2)? How long did it take
to
| > :> develop a device that used a high-T superconductor?
| > :
| > :> How many of those developments depended on a detailed theory of the
| > behavior
| > :> of high-T superconductors?
| > :
| > :> How long has it been since Pons and Fleischmann claimed to have a
| > :> *working* cold fusion water heater?
|
| > : If I were to suggest in 1935 that a metal can explode with 1,000,000x
| > more
| > : energy/weight than TNT,
|
| > H.G. Wells suggested it in 1902.
|
| > : I>m sure you would have scoffed, but with a great effort of theory and
| > : experiment the A-bomb and H-bomb were developed.
|
| > That is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. Why don>t you
| > answer the questions above and then think about why what you wrote about
| > the A-bomb was a straw man.
|
| > -----
| > Richard Schultz schu...@mail.biu.ac.il
| > Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
| > Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
| > -----
| > "You don>t even have a clue about which clue you>re missing."
|
| It seems the the presence or absence of He is a key "pointer" to fusion --
| cold or otherwise. It seems that without He, it is clear that fusion has
NOT
| occurred.
|
| Is the inverse true?
|
| The reason for my question is that there are several Helium wells in the
| world. It is a scarce (but essentially useless) element whose only
| commercially viable use is for lighter-than-air devices. (Novelists
| attention: What would have happened if the US had agreed to sell the Third
| Reich Helium? For one, the Hindenburg would not have blown up.) But I
| digress.
|
| Where does this Helium come from? Three sources I can think of:
|
| 1. It is left over from a few Billion years ago when the Earth was still
hot
| enough for fusion.
| 2. It is generated by some non-fusion process that I do not understand.
| 3. It is/was generated by some natural "cold" fusion process.
|
| Could someone comment, please, on these three obvious sources of Helium?
|
| Bill Miller
|
| (Of course, there is a fourth possible source. Aliens visited the Earth
some
| years back and buried a few fusion plants in selected locations around the
| world. There are probably more, but they cannot be located unless one
looks
| for them using a forked willow tree branch. Aluminium foil hat is
optional.)
|

Fission.
The alpha particle is a helium nucleus.
[/quote]
Dhuh!

Do anyone of your asshole following idiots would realize if 'Cold
Fusion' were realitity if 'Cold Fusion' were to be a fact? No, I
doubt if they do consider the ramifications. Maybe this will help...

Consider a plant totally lifeles, free of all organic life and fusing
under the reamining the cold fusion reaction of the very last
remaining components of hydrogen remaining on earth. After 'cold
hyrogen reactions', earth would be simply another lifelies orbital
void in orbit about the sun.

Don>t some of you clueless scienifically disadvantageaidiots realize
that this would be be the conseuence of hydrogen fusion, cold, hot, or
otherwise?

Harry C.

Bill Miller · Guest

"Richard Schultz" <schultr@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
news:g6ptsi$eag$1@news.iucc.ac.il...
[quote]In sci.physics.fusion Bill Miller <billmillerkt4ye@worldnet.att.net
wrote:

: The reason for my question is that there are several Helium wells in the
: world. It is a scarce (but essentially useless) element whose only
: commercially viable use is for lighter-than-air devices.

You can stop right there -- liquid He is used a refrigerant for
superconducting magnets used in, e.g., NMR spectrometers.

: For one, the Hindenburg would not have blown up.

Actually, it didn>t blow up -- it caught fire.

: Where does this Helium come from? Three sources I can think of:

: 1. It is left over from a few Billion years ago when the Earth was still
hot
: enough for fusion.

The earth was never hot enough for fusion.
[/quote]
Never>s a long time. But I get your point.
[quote]
: 2. It is generated by some non-fusion process that I do not understand.

It is generated by radioactive decay of uranium and thorium.

: 3. It is/was generated by some natural "cold" fusion process.

Steve Jones thought that there might be a *small* amount of natural
cold fusion going on. IIRC, he was looking for tritium, which would be
a more easily detected signature. I don>t know that he ever found any.
[/quote]
At last!

An intelligent answer to a basic question.

Thank you!

Bill

[quote]-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . .Mr Schutz [sic] acts like a functional electro-terrorist who
impeads [sic] scientific communications with his too oft-silliness."
-- Mitchell Swartz, sci.physics.fusion article
EEI1oz.43q@world.std.com[/quote]

Androcles · Guest

"Bill Miller" <billmillerkt4ye@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:DG_jk.140669$102.71580@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
|
| "Richard Schultz" <schultr@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
| news:g6m555$fac$1@news.iucc.ac.il...
| > In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
| >
| > : Hi Richard, I presume your questions
| > : below are rhetorical, otherwise please
| > : spec which are serious.
| >
| > This is not rhetorical: top-posting is considered very bad form. I
| > meant for you to think about all of the questions that I asked in the
| > (presumably vain) hope that you might be able to reach the obvious
| > conclusion on your own once you were given enough clues.
| >
| > :> How long did it take from Budnorz and Muller>s announcement of
"high-T"
| > :> superconductivity in cuprates for someone to reproduce their results?
| > :> How long did it take to find a material that it is superconductive at
| > :> T > 77 K (i.e. above the boiling point of N2)? How long did it take
to
| > :> develop a device that used a high-T superconductor?
| > :>
| > :> How many of those developments depended on a detailed theory of the
| > behavior
| > :> of high-T superconductors?
| > :>
| > :> How long has it been since Pons and Fleischmann claimed to have a
| > :> *working* cold fusion water heater?
| >
| > : If I were to suggest in 1935 that a metal can explode with 1,000,000x
| > more
| > : energy/weight than TNT,
| >
| > H.G. Wells suggested it in 1902.
| >
| > : I>m sure you would have scoffed, but with a great effort of theory and
| > : experiment the A-bomb and H-bomb were developed.
| >
| > That is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. Why don>t you
| > answer the questions above and then think about why what you wrote about
| > the A-bomb was a straw man.
| >
| > -----
| > Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
| > Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
| > Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
| > -----
| > "You don>t even have a clue about which clue you>re missing."
|
| It seems the the presence or absence of He is a key "pointer" to fusion --
| cold or otherwise. It seems that without He, it is clear that fusion has
NOT
| occurred.
|
| Is the inverse true?
|
| The reason for my question is that there are several Helium wells in the
| world. It is a scarce (but essentially useless) element whose only
| commercially viable use is for lighter-than-air devices. (Novelists
| attention: What would have happened if the US had agreed to sell the Third
| Reich Helium? For one, the Hindenburg would not have blown up.) But I
| digress.
|
| Where does this Helium come from? Three sources I can think of:
|
| 1. It is left over from a few Billion years ago when the Earth was still
hot
| enough for fusion.
| 2. It is generated by some non-fusion process that I do not understand.
| 3. It is/was generated by some natural "cold" fusion process.
|
| Could someone comment, please, on these three obvious sources of Helium?
|
| Bill Miller
|
| (Of course, there is a fourth possible source. Aliens visited the Earth
some
| years back and buried a few fusion plants in selected locations around the
| world. There are probably more, but they cannot be located unless one
looks
| for them using a forked willow tree branch. Aluminium foil hat is
optional.)
|

Fission.
The alpha particle is a helium nucleus.

Odysseus · Guest

In article <DG_jk.140669$102.71580@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill Miller" <billmillerkt4ye@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

<snip>

[quote]Where does this Helium come from? Three sources I can think of:

1. It is left over from a few Billion years ago when the Earth was still hot
enough for fusion.
[/quote]
I don>t believe the Earth was ever hot or pressurized enough, or
contained H or D in sufficient concentration, to permit conventional
fusion -- and anyway, any ancient He would have mostly escaped into
space by now.

[quote]2. It is generated by some non-fusion process that I do not understand.
[/quote]
Yes. My understanding is far from comprehensive, but I know that many
radioactive decay processes produce alpha radiation, which consists of
(highly energetic) He-4 nuclei. For example uranium-238 decays to
thorium-234 by emitting an alpha particle. Any of these particles that
'cool down' enough to capture a couple of electrons will become helium
atoms -- which happens very soon, as alpha particles are very slow and
massive compared to other forms of radiation, and can be more or less
completely blocked by a metre or so of of ordinary air, let alone many
kilometres of rock.

[quote]3. It is/was generated by some natural "cold" fusion process.
[/quote]
I won>t say categorically that it>s impossible, but AFAIK it>s never
been observed in nature -- and #2 is well enough attested to render such
a hypothesis unnecessary.

--
Odysseus

Richard Schultz · Guest

In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

:> What, if anything, has this to do with the questions that I asked?
:
: You may not understand the answer, or I may
: not be up to your level of understanding.

Since answers to the questions that I asked the amount of time that occurred
between two events, and in one case a number, I>m guessing that I>ll be
able to understand your answer.

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . .Mr Schutz [sic] acts like a functional electro-terrorist who
impeads [sic] scientific communications with his too oft-silliness."
-- Mitchell Swartz, sci.physics.fusion article <EEI1oz.43q@world.std.com>

Eeyore · Guest

Benj wrote:

[quote]"Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:

You really should learn some very basic physics before you
try to comment on this subject.

Perhaps you might learn a little bit about scientific research and
physics yourself before you start judging how much other people know.
This kind of comment is meaningless. You clearly have no knowledge of
basic physics yourself, save what you have read in "Wikipedia"! Sure,
that>s the ultimate source of knowledge! Did you write the article on
"atomic bombs" yourself?
[/quote]
So how many books on atomic weapons or power have you written ?

What>s your view on fast and slow neutrons and suitable moderators ? The
Wigner effect is a bitch isn>t it ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigner_energy

Graham

Benj · Guest

On Jul 30, 5:53 pm, Odysseus <odysseus1479...@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote:

[quote]2. It is generated by some non-fusion process that I do not understand.

3. It is/was generated by some natural "cold" fusion process.

I won>t say categorically that it>s impossible, but AFAIK it>s never
been observed in nature -- and #2 is well enough attested to render such
a hypothesis unnecessary.
[/quote]
What? You seem to be saying that the two main ideas are A. We don>t
have a clue and B. "cold" nuclear reactions about which we also don>t
have a clue. Then you say that not having a clue is so "well attested"
that we don>t need to go to "cold" reactions as a hypothesis.

Duh. If one doesn>t have a clue, the procedure is to try to buy a clue
or at least visit the cluefish desk! "3." has been theorized by some
persons and suggested that the known isotopic variations in IDENTICAL
chemicals derived from plants (eg. sugar) indicates that low energy
reactions may be creating various isotopic reactions that might
explain the various isotopes found on earth. The suggestion is that
these may not have been made in the so-called bogus "big bang" but
rather may have been the result of hundreds of millions of years of
plants engaging in low energy nuclear reactions.

Obviously the so little is known here that there are no proof of
anything, just speculations. But they are interesting speculations to
those of us with more open minds.


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