Science and Technology news... :: View topic

Richard Schultz · Guest

In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

: They seem to know a fair amount about electron
: flow in metal, but less about Deuterium flow,
: which is a critical apart from trial and error,
: to reproduciblity.

How long did it take from Budnorz and Muller>s announcement of "high-T"
superconductivity in cuprates for someone to reproduce their results?
How long did it take to find a material that it is superconductive at
T > 77 K (i.e. above the boiling point of N2)? How long did it take to
develop a device that used a high-T superconductor?

How many of those developments depended on a detailed theory of the behavior
of high-T superconductors?

How long has it been since Pons and Fleischmann claimed to have a
*working* cold fusion water heater?

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . .Mr Schutz [sic] acts like a functional electro-terrorist who
impeads [sic] scientific communications with his too oft-silliness."
-- Mitchell Swartz, sci.physics.fusion article <EEI1oz.43q@world.std.com>

Benj · Guest

On Jul 28, 12:55 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:

[quote]Your ignorance of how science works is almost as total as your ignorance
of physics.

None of that has anything to do with the issue at hand. D+D fusion is
a process that depends on the strong force, not the weak force.
[/quote]
Bingo!

[quote]Because the real world doesn>t work the way that conspiracy nuts such as
yourself would have it.
[/quote]
So lessee. I have total ignorance of "how science works" as well as
total ignorance of physics. I am insane and actually believe that
there is such a thing as conspiracies in politics especially where
politics crosses science. And I have absolutely no experience of the
real world at all.

In short, anything I say is of no value what-so-ever, has any basis in
fact and is entirely a figment of my over-worked imagination.

I think my body of posts to this group prove that was well as your
body of posts proves that you are quite the opposite and the ultimate
authority on all things, and whose prognostications are to be totally
accepted without further proof based solely upon your massive
reputation.

So it>s settled then. I"m sorry I didn>t recognize your greatness at
once.

PS, Yeah I>ve read Langmuir>s "famous" piece of work. Great propaganda
job to serve as a severe warning for any researcher to not stray too
far from the 'party line" if he/she values his/her career. If you
don>t want to be using that Ph.D. to be selling pottery, you>d better
just be content to fill in those blank spots in the Physics handbooks
and keep your nose out of areas where it doesn>t belong. Thanks for
reminding us all.

And Oh yeah, congratulations on successfully killing any reasonable
and adult discussion on the internet of "Cold Fusion" and related
topics. I see why you get the big bucks!

Bye.

Richard Schultz · Guest

In sci.physics.fusion Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote:

: So lessee. I have total ignorance of "how science works" as well as
: total ignorance of physics. I am insane and actually believe that
: there is such a thing as conspiracies in politics especially where
: politics crosses science. And I have absolutely no experience of the
: real world at all.

If you believe that it is possible for a conspiracy of the sort you
describe to suppress the development of cold fusion, then whatever
experience of the world that you might have obviously failed to
overcome the short-circuit in your brain.

: In short, anything I say is of no value what-so-ever, has any basis in
: fact and is entirely a figment of my over-worked imagination.

If you think that cold fusion is being suppressed by some kind of
conspiracy, then yes, nothing you say has any basis in fact and is
entirely a figment of your over-worked imagination. If you are
suggesting that the people at U.S. Government labs who reported positive
results for cold fusion experiments deliberately did their experiments
incompetently so that people would think that cold fusion does not exist,
then I would have to guess that it>s not so much overwork as overindulgence
in happy pills.

: I think my body of posts to this group prove that was well as your
: body of posts proves that you are quite the opposite and the ultimate
: authority on all things, and whose prognostications are to be totally
: accepted without further proof based solely upon your massive
: reputation.

Why don>t you go through the archives and examine my criticisms of some
of the experiments -- particularly those in which mass spectrometry was
used to detect "products" of cold fusion -- and respond to those criticisms
with actual science instead of a random screed.

: PS, Yeah I>ve read Langmuir>s "famous" piece of work. Great propaganda
: job to serve as a severe warning for any researcher to not stray too
: far from the 'party line" if he/she values his/her career.

I>m guessing that if you read the transcript, you didn>t understand it.

: And Oh yeah, congratulations on successfully killing any reasonable
: and adult discussion on the internet of "Cold Fusion" and related
: topics. I see why you get the big bucks!

Why do you think it is that every Evil Conspiracy is falling all over
itself to pay me for my serivces?

Why do you think that my comments that detailed some of the reasons for
believing that Pd-induced cold fusion is extremely unlikely to be a
real effect are "killing any reasonable and adult discussion"? Is it because
you have no answers for criticisms of the sort raised by Steven Jones
(special relativity prevents a nascent 4He* nucleus from distributing
its excess energy into phonons -- even if a coupling mechanism could be
imagined -- within its lifetime); or that fusion at room temperature has
been observed and that the branching ratio is still 50/50 3He/T; or that
the experimental evidence is irreproducible and generally not far above
the noise; or that Pons and Fleischmann claimed nearly 20 years ago to
have a *working cold fusion device* that no one has seen since?

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . .Mr Schutz [sic] acts like a functional electro-terrorist who
impeads [sic] scientific communications with his too oft-silliness."
-- Mitchell Swartz, sci.physics.fusion article <EEI1oz.43q@world.std.com>

Ken S. Tucker · Guest

Hi Richard, I presume your questions
below are rhetorical, otherwise please
spec which are serious.

On Jul 28, 2:53 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
[quote]In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

: They seem to know a fair amount about electron
: flow in metal, but less about Deuterium flow,
: which is a critical apart from trial and error,
: to reproduciblity.

How long did it take from Budnorz and Muller>s announcement of "high-T"
superconductivity in cuprates for someone to reproduce their results?
How long did it take to find a material that it is superconductive at
T > 77 K (i.e. above the boiling point of N2)? How long did it take to
develop a device that used a high-T superconductor?

How many of those developments depended on a detailed theory of the behavior
of high-T superconductors?

How long has it been since Pons and Fleischmann claimed to have a
*working* cold fusion water heater?
[/quote]
Well what>s needed is an understanding of the
geodesical properties of D related to e in Pd.
That provides a probability that D+D will be
pinched within the metal sufficiently to fuse.
That mimics a "chain reaction" probability
when a critical mass of U is achieved.
If I were to suggest in 1935 that a metal can
explode with 1,000,000x more energy/weight than
TNT, I>m sure you would have scoffed, but with
a great effort of theory and experiment the A-
bomb and H-bomb were developed.
HTH
Regards
Ken S. Tucker
PS:Keep the Patent Office open.

Ken S. Tucker · Guest

Hi Bob

On Jul 28, 1:49 pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
[quote]"Benj" <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message

news:11d896d2-9b9b-49a0-a322-0f6ffece8b2d@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 28, 12:55 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:

So lessee. I have total ignorance of "how science works" as well as
total ignorance of physics. I am insane and actually believe that
there is such a thing as conspiracies in politics especially where
politics crosses science. And I have absolutely no experience of the
real world at all.

In short, anything I say is of no value what-so-ever, has any basis in
fact and is entirely a figment of my over-worked imagination.

Finally, you have posted a correct and accurate summary of
your position. Thank you.

Bob M.
[/quote]
My problem isn>t whether cold fusion will work
or not, it has to do with if it does, and who
knows how to do it.
I>m worried that if a Pd bar (or other alloy)
is saturated with D and 100,000 amps is flashed
through it, the SOB will become a mini H-bomb.
Until that issue is resolved, I>d prefer that
cold fusion remain within the zone of crackpot.

Who wants a Kiloton nuke in a beer can?

I analysed (check this out) how large of a
fire ball would be created if I shink the
average H-bomb down to a pin head, I used
Tsar Bomba and reduced dimensions by ratio.
I get a 50' fireball, correct me if I>m wrong,
that>s a nifty nano-nuke!
I can improve on that with antimatter.

Do you see the problem?

Our genius for destruction exceeds our ability
to control it. I think Reagan and Gorbatrof
knew that and it scared the bee-geezes out of
them, who the f**k wants that problem?
Regards
Ken S. Tucker

Bob Myers · Guest

"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:11d896d2-9b9b-49a0-a322-0f6ffece8b2d@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 28, 12:55 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
[quote]So lessee. I have total ignorance of "how science works" as well as
total ignorance of physics. I am insane and actually believe that
there is such a thing as conspiracies in politics especially where
politics crosses science. And I have absolutely no experience of the
real world at all.

In short, anything I say is of no value what-so-ever, has any basis in
fact and is entirely a figment of my over-worked imagination.
[/quote]
Finally, you have posted a correct and accurate summary of
your position. Thank you.

Bob M.

Richard Schultz · Guest

In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

: Hi Richard, I presume your questions
: below are rhetorical, otherwise please
: spec which are serious.

This is not rhetorical: top-posting is considered very bad form. I
meant for you to think about all of the questions that I asked in the
(presumably vain) hope that you might be able to reach the obvious
conclusion on your own once you were given enough clues.

:> How long did it take from Budnorz and Muller>s announcement of "high-T"
:> superconductivity in cuprates for someone to reproduce their results?
:> How long did it take to find a material that it is superconductive at
:> T > 77 K (i.e. above the boiling point of N2)? How long did it take to
:> develop a device that used a high-T superconductor?
:>
:> How many of those developments depended on a detailed theory of the behavior
:> of high-T superconductors?
:>
:> How long has it been since Pons and Fleischmann claimed to have a
:> *working* cold fusion water heater?

: If I were to suggest in 1935 that a metal can explode with 1,000,000x more
: energy/weight than TNT,

H.G. Wells suggested it in 1902.

: I>m sure you would have scoffed, but with a great effort of theory and
: experiment the A-bomb and H-bomb were developed.

That is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. Why don>t you
answer the questions above and then think about why what you wrote about
the A-bomb was a straw man.

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don>t even have a clue about which clue you>re missing."

Richard Schultz · Guest

In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

: I>m worried that if a Pd bar (or other alloy)
: is saturated with D and 100,000 amps is flashed
: through it, the SOB will become a mini H-bomb.

I think that if you make a hat out of aluminum foil, you won>t have
to worry so much.

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . .Mr Schutz [sic] acts like a functional electro-terrorist who
impeads [sic] scientific communications with his too oft-silliness."
-- Mitchell Swartz, sci.physics.fusion article <EEI1oz.43q@world.std.com>

Ken S. Tucker · Guest

On Jul 28, 9:09 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
[quote]In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

: Hi Richard, I presume your questions
: below are rhetorical, otherwise please
: spec which are serious.

This is not rhetorical: top-posting is considered very bad form. I
meant for you to think about all of the questions that I asked in the
(presumably vain) hope that you might be able to reach the obvious
conclusion on your own once you were given enough clues.

:> How long did it take from Budnorz and Muller>s announcement of "high-T"
:> superconductivity in cuprates for someone to reproduce their results?
:> How long did it take to find a material that it is superconductive at
:> T > 77 K (i.e. above the boiling point of N2)? How long did it take to
:> develop a device that used a high-T superconductor?
:
:> How many of those developments depended on a detailed theory of the behavior
:> of high-T superconductors?
:
:> How long has it been since Pons and Fleischmann claimed to have a
:> *working* cold fusion water heater?

: If I were to suggest in 1935 that a metal can explode with 1,000,000x more
: energy/weight than TNT,

H.G. Wells suggested it in 1902.
[/quote]
H.G Wells as a scientific reference, I don>t
care to top that one!
Ken

Richard Schultz · Guest

In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

:> :> How long did it take from Budnorz and Muller>s announcement of "high-T"
:> :> superconductivity in cuprates for someone to reproduce their results?
:> :> How long did it take to find a material that it is superconductive at
:> :> T > 77 K (i.e. above the boiling point of N2)? How long did it take to
:> :> develop a device that used a high-T superconductor?
:> :>
:> :> How many of those developments depended on a detailed theory of the
:> :> behavior of high-T superconductors?

:> :> How long has it been since Pons and Fleischmann claimed to have a
:> :> *working* cold fusion water heater?

:> : If I were to suggest in 1935 that a metal can explode with 1,000,000x
:> : more energy/weight than TNT,

:> H.G. Wells suggested it in 1902.

: H.G Wells as a scientific reference, I don>t care to top that one!

Are you really that dumb, or are you just afraid to answer the questions
that I asked?

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . .Mr Schutz [sic] acts like a functional electro-terrorist who
impeads [sic] scientific communications with his too oft-silliness."
-- Mitchell Swartz, sci.physics.fusion article <EEI1oz.43q@world.std.com>

Ken S. Tucker · Guest

Hi Ricky

On Jul 29, 11:15 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
[quote]In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

:> :> How long did it take from Budnorz and Muller>s announcement of "high-T"
:> :> superconductivity in cuprates for someone to reproduce their results?
:> :> How long did it take to find a material that it is superconductive at
:> :> T > 77 K (i.e. above the boiling point of N2)? How long did it take to
:> :> develop a device that used a high-T superconductor?
:> :
:> :> How many of those developments depended on a detailed theory of the
:> :> behavior of high-T superconductors?

:> :> How long has it been since Pons and Fleischmann claimed to have a
:> :> *working* cold fusion water heater?

:> : If I were to suggest in 1935 that a metal can explode with 1,000,000x
:> : more energy/weight than TNT,

:> H.G. Wells suggested it in 1902.

: H.G Wells as a scientific reference, I don>t care to top that one!

Are you really that dumb, or are you just afraid to answer the questions
that I asked?
[/quote]
Well I>m sure you can understand an expert
won>t do research that an average high school
student can do.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker
PS: After Ricky provided H.G. Well>s as a scientific
ref, I>m afraid he>ll use Paris Hilton next...

Benj · Guest

On Jul 28, 4:49 pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
[quote]"Benj" <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message

So lessee. I have total ignorance of "how science works" as well as
total ignorance of physics. I am insane and actually believe that
there is such a thing as conspiracies in politics especially where
politics crosses science. And I have absolutely no experience of the
real world at all.

In short, anything I say is of no value what-so-ever, has any basis in
fact and is entirely a figment of my over-worked imagination.

Finally, you have posted a correct and accurate summary of
your position. Thank you.
[/quote]
Yep. That>s right "Bob". The discussion has been successfully
torpedoed and sunk. You guys have earned your pay and there is nothing
more to say but "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".

Bill Snyder · Guest

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:37:08 -0700 (PDT), Benj
<bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote:

[quote]On Jul 28, 4:49Â pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
"Benj" <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message

So lessee. I have total ignorance of "how science works" as well as
total ignorance of physics. I am insane and actually believe that
there is such a thing as conspiracies in politics especially where
politics crosses science. And I have absolutely no experience of the
real world at all.

In short, anything I say is of no value what-so-ever, has any basis in
fact and is entirely a figment of my over-worked imagination.

Finally, you have posted a correct and accurate summary of
your position. Â Thank you.

Yep. That>s right "Bob". The discussion has been successfully
torpedoed and sunk. You guys have earned your pay and there is nothing
more to say but "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".
[/quote]
Sure there is: "You>re friggin' insane. Stupid, too."

--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]

Richard Schultz · Guest

In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

: PS: After Ricky provided H.G. Well>s [sic] as a scientific ref

Is that an outright lie, or are you really that dumb? Instead of answering
that, why don>t you answer my questions about the discovery of
high-temperature superconductivity?

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . .Mr Schutz [sic] acts like a functional electro-terrorist who
impeads [sic] scientific communications with his too oft-silliness."
-- Mitchell Swartz, sci.physics.fusion article <EEI1oz.43q@world.std.com>

Ken S. Tucker · Guest

On Jul 29, 9:38 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
[quote]In sci.physics.fusion Ken S. Tucker <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:

: PS: After Ricky provided H.G. Well>s [sic] as a scientific ref

why don>t you answer my questions about the discovery of
high-temperature superconductivity?
[/quote]
A place to begin is to consider the resistance
of a current flowing through a vacuum such as
in a CRT between the cathode and anode.
AFAIK, there is no resistance to current flow
through a vacuum.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker


www.GetXFactor.com Leading Technology, Science, Agriculture News and information	Part of the Identityscape.com network... getxfactor.com jmoodmusic.com smartbusinesschoices.com mintdepot.com lowfaresalways.com evangelicalview.com shoppingpodder.com soproudlywehail.com webnews.ws currenthumor.com

Science and Technology news... Forum Index -> Electronics - Miscellaneous Forum	Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Next
Page 3 of 5