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D. Spencer Hines · Guest

No comments yet from Black The Red, our resident expert on India and
things Indian, who is no doubt quite familiar with Mumbai and perhaps with
the Taj Hotel as well.
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DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

hcobb · Guest

I>m staying in Pune and no changes here. But I stay in the company
apartment and not a fancy hotel so I>m a really low priority target.
The only one of the attack sites I>ve ever been at is the Railroad
station and that was before 9/11. As far as my life goes Mumbai is an
airport and a traffic jam that I pass through four times a year.

The local politics has been about as exciting as usual.

As far as the SS (yeah, about the same as the old German version) is
concerned, the only good Indian anti-terrorism officer is a dead one.

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1210369

Do you think they>ll be in the next federal government?

-HJC

a425couple · Guest

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote ...
[quote]No comments yet from Black The Red, our resident expert on India and
things Indian, who is no doubt quite familiar with Mumbai and perhaps with
the Taj Hotel as well.
[/quote]
That is not true.
He has been posting about it, and some of us have
been keeping up on those threads.
I hope you had a good Thanksgiving weekend.

William Black · Guest

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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[quote]No comments yet from Black The Red, our resident expert on India and
things Indian, who is no doubt quite familiar with Mumbai and perhaps with
the Taj Hotel as well.
[/quote]
Very familiar with the Taj, as you well know because it has been mentioned
before...

Also with Leopold>s.

--
William Black

I>ve seen things you people wouldn>t believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

D. Spencer Hines · Guest

No substantive comments yet, just cockroach droppings, from Black The Red,
our resident expert on India and things Indian, who is no doubt quite
familiar with Mumbai and perhaps with the Taj Hotel and Leopold>s as well.

He seems afraid of offending the Muslim terrorists and becoming a target
himself, during his frequent trips to India.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

Peter Skelton · Guest

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:46:27 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
<panther@excelsior.com> wrote:

[quote]No substantive comments yet, just cockroach droppings, from Black The Red,
our resident expert on India and things Indian, who is no doubt quite
familiar with Mumbai and perhaps with the Taj Hotel and Leopold>s as well.

He seems afraid of offending the Muslim terrorists and becoming a target
himself, during his frequent trips to India.
[/quote]
There>s always the possibility he>s waiting until he knows
something that isn>t in the media, a behaviour certain others
might profitably emulate.

Peter Skelton

William Black · Guest

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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[quote]No substantive comments yet, just cockroach droppings, from Black The Red,
our resident expert on India and things Indian, who is no doubt quite
familiar with Mumbai and perhaps with the Taj Hotel and Leopold>s as well.
[/quote]
Nicely edited comment.

You obviously read my post.

[quote]He seems afraid of offending the Muslim terrorists and becoming a target
himself, during his frequent trips to India.
[/quote]
I>ll buy you a falooda at Badshah>s if you>ve got the balls to fly out
early next year.

I think my money will be safe.

I find it interesting that if I don>t post for two days you get all
frightened.

--
William Black

I>ve seen things you people wouldn>t believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black · Guest

"hcobb" <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]I>m staying in Pune and no changes here. But I stay in the company
apartment and not a fancy hotel so I>m a really low priority target.
The only one of the attack sites I>ve ever been at is the Railroad
station and that was before 9/11. As far as my life goes Mumbai is an
airport and a traffic jam that I pass through four times a year.

The local politics has been about as exciting as usual.

As far as the SS (yeah, about the same as the old German version) is
concerned, the only good Indian anti-terrorism officer is a dead one.

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1210369

Do you think they>ll be in the next federal government?
[/quote]
Not a chance

They>re in a BJP coalition in Bombay and have never made any significant
inroads into state level politics, never mind trying for 'the centre'.

With RSS protégés like Modi making the running in the BJP now they>ve had
much of their platform stolen.

Plus they>ve spent most of the past year being nasty to Biharis' in Bombay
and leaving the Muslim community alone.

They>ve been attacking the wrong target, they tried to make a villain out
of that cop who died so heroically and they>ve suffered a couple of splits
in the last year or two.

--
William Black

I>ve seen things you people wouldn>t believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

D. Spencer Hines · Guest

Gleanings from The Daily Mail.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

Typical of terrorists. They have no concern for the fear their victims
fear yet they want their captors to have mercy on them. He doesn>t want
to die? Pathetic!

- Wayne, Chicago, IL, 30/11/2008 02:25

All the handwringing by the West over how terrorists are treated and we
see how they are nothing but cold blooded killers. The West is choked by
its own political correctness in fighting terror. Time to untie our hands
and go after these terrorists with extreme malice before they can kill
more innocent people.

- James, Huntsville, AL, USA, 30/11/2008 02:23

Two nuclear powers are now setting their sights on each other. These two
countries have been fighting each other for so long. Over what? Kashmir?
Religious differences? If anybody thinks that nuclear weapons are off the
table, they are only fooling themselves. This is going to get messy.
India has already had their Parliament attacked and now this. Bad things
are coming.

- Patrick, Harrogate England, 30/11/2008 02:2

William Black · Guest

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"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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I>ll buy you a falooda at Badshah>s if you>ve got the balls to fly out
early next year.
[/quote]
Make that a drink in Leopold>s

It reopened two hours ago...

--
William Black

I>ve seen things you people wouldn>t believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Andrew Chaplin · Guest

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"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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I>ll buy you a falooda at Badshah>s if you>ve got the balls to fly out
early next year.

Make that a drink in Leopold>s

It reopened two hours ago...
[/quote]
I may be headed that way later in the winter. I>ll let you know.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you>re going to e-mail me, you>ll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

William Black · Guest

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"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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I>ll buy you a falooda at Badshah>s if you>ve got the balls to fly out
early next year.

Make that a drink in Leopold>s

It reopened two hours ago...

I may be headed that way later in the winter. I>ll let you know.
[/quote]
You have mail...

--
William Black

Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog

D. Spencer Hines · Guest

"The preparations for the atrocity began a year earlier in a remote
mountain camp in Muzaffarabad, in Pakistan- administered Kashmir,
according to the interrogation of a 19-year-old believed to be the only
member of the terrorist unit to be captured alive."

"The Sunday Telegraph has been shown details of the interrogation which
provide the first clues to the identity of the terrorists and the amount
of detail which went into the planning of the operation."
----------------------------------

NOW...

WHERE is the International Outcry from the Left about the "enhanced
interrogation techniques" that were undoubtedly used on this poor
19-year-old boy, reportedly named Azam Amir Kasab [Kamal?], in order to
get him to squeal?
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
-------------------------------------------------------------

The audacious attack which took a year to plan
The attack was planned with military precision.

By Rahul Bedi in Bombay and Sean Rayment, Security correspondent

Last Updated: 10:44PM GMT 29 Nov 2008
The Sunday Telegraph

Preparations for the atrocity may have began a year ago in a remote
mountain camp in Kashmir

Ten terrorists dedicated to fighting for an independent Kashmir were
selected for an operation from which they were likely never to return.

The tactics were relatively simple: to strike at multiple targets while
simultaneously slaughtering as many civilians as possible before going
"static" in three of the locations within the city.

But such a plan would require a year of planning, reconnaissance, the
covert acquisition of ships and speed boats as well as the forward basing
of weapons and ammunition secretly hidden inside at least one hotel.

Nothing would be left to chance. Even the times of the tides were checked
and rechecked to ensure that the terrorists would be able to arrive when
their first target, the Café Leopold, was full of unsuspecting tourists
enjoying the balmy Bombay (Mumbai) evening.

The preparations for the atrocity began a year earlier in a remote
mountain camp in Muzaffarabad, in Pakistan- administered Kashmir,
according to the interrogation of a 19-year-old believed to be the only
member of the terrorist unit to be captured alive.

The Sunday Telegraph has been shown details of the interrogation which
provide the first clues to the identity of the terrorists and the amount
of detail which went into the planning of the operation.

Kamal has revealed to his interrogators that most of the volunteers spoke
his native Punjabi and that all of them were given false names and were
discouraged from interacting with each other beyond what was barely
necessary.

During the months of training they were taught the use of explosives and
close quarter combat. It was ingrained upon every man that ammunition
would be in short supply and therefore every bullet should count.

The terrorists were also taught marine commando techniques such as beach
landings at another camp at the Mangla Dam, located on the border between
Pakistan-administered Kashmir and India>s Punjab province.

Kamal revealed that once their training was complete, his team of four
travelled to the garrison town of Rawalpindi, where they were joined by
another six terrorists, who had been trained at other camps close by.

It was in Rawalpindi that the 10-man team were briefed in detail with
digitised images of their prospective targets – the Taj Mahal and Oberoi
Hotels, the Jewish Centre and the Victoria Terminus railway station. Each
member of the team memorised street names and routes to each location.
Kamal told his interrogators that most of the targeting information came
from a reconnaissance team which had selected the targets earlier in the
year.

From Rawalpindi, the team then moved to the eastern port of Karachi where
they chartered the merchant ship MV Alpha and headed for Bombay.

It was during this crucial phase, as the cargo ship headed into the
Arabian Sea, that the terrorists appeared to almost lose their nerve. The
Indian navy, Kamal revealed, were very active, boarding foreign vessels
and searching their holds. The terrorists thought their plan might be
compromised so on the night of 15th/16th November, the teams used their
inflatable speed boats to hijack a local fishing boat, the Kuber.

Kamal also admitted to his interrogators that three of the Kuber>s four
crew were immediately murdered, while the ship>s captain was ordered to
sail for the Indian coast. When the Kuber was within five miles of the
coast, the terrorists slit the captain>s throat and transferred back into
their inflatable speed boats and headed for the lights of Bombay.

On landing the 10-man team, stripped off their orange wind breakers and
began hoisting large heavy packs onto their shoulders.

Kashinath Patil, the 72-year-old harbour master, who spotted the boats
moor alongside the harbour wall was immediately suspicious and asked them
what they were doing. "I said: 'Where are you going? What>s in your
bags?'" Mr Patil recalled. "They said: 'We don>t want any attention. Don>t
bother us."

The terrorists then split into two-man teams and launched their attacks.

Major General RK Hooda, the senior Indian commander, acknowledged the
group, the Deccan Mujadeen, were better equipped and had a better
knowledge of the battleground than India>s soldiers.

After the battle, one member of India>s National Security Guard, who led
one of the assault groups against the terrorists occupying the Taj Mahal
hotel, said they were the "best fighters" he had ever encountered.

He said: "They were obviously trained by professionals in urban guerrilla
fighting. They used their environment and situation brilliantly, leading
us (the NSG) on a dangerous chase through various tiers of the hotel which
they obviously knew well. Their fire discipline too was excellent and they
used their ammunition judiciously, mostly to draw us out.

"It was amply clear they came to kill a large number of people and to
eventually perish in their horrific endeavour," he said. "Negotiating with
the Indian authorities or escaping was not an option for them."

J Antero · Guest

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:XTCYk.393$9k5.481@eagle.america.net...
[quote]"The preparations for the atrocity began a year earlier in a remote
mountain camp in Muzaffarabad, in Pakistan- administered Kashmir,
according to the interrogation of a 19-year-old believed to be the only
member of the terrorist unit to be captured alive."

"The Sunday Telegraph has been shown details of the interrogation which
provide the first clues to the identity of the terrorists and the amount
of detail which went into the planning of the operation."
----------------------------------

NOW...

WHERE is the International Outcry from the Left about the "enhanced
interrogation techniques" that were undoubtedly used on this poor
19-year-old boy, reportedly named Azam Amir Kasab [Kamal?], in order to
get him to squeal?
[/quote]

If you believe the FBI about what works in interrogation, then it>s entirely
possible that they got the info without torture.

William Black · Guest

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:XTCYk.393$9k5.481@eagle.america.net...
[quote]"The preparations for the atrocity began a year earlier in a remote
mountain camp in Muzaffarabad, in Pakistan- administered Kashmir,
according to the interrogation of a 19-year-old believed to be the only
member of the terrorist unit to be captured alive."

"The Sunday Telegraph has been shown details of the interrogation which
provide the first clues to the identity of the terrorists and the amount
of detail which went into the planning of the operation."
----------------------------------

NOW...

WHERE is the International Outcry from the Left about the "enhanced
interrogation techniques" that were undoubtedly used on this poor
19-year-old boy, reportedly named Azam Amir Kasab [Kamal?], in order to
get him to squeal?
[/quote]
Because in India interrogation while the suspect is under the influence of
truth drugs is perfectly legal when a judges warrant has been acquired.

A government elected in free and fair elections passed laws that allow such
treatment.

I do have to add that in India the judiciary are not appointed by the
elected officials...

Now, about waterboarding...

--
William Black

I>ve seen things you people wouldn>t believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.


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