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ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com · Guest

On Oct 21, 9:48 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:47:52 -0700 (PDT),
"2.7182818284590..." <tangent1...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:cd145e1d-c2d1-4cbd-bbdc-00c9485cd8c9@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com
in sci.lang:

English words are not spelled so descriptively/precisely, I>ve
noticed. There are a lot of redundancies with our alphabet (i.e.
"qu", "c", and "k" all sound identical).

Except when they don>t, of course: in <quick>, <celery>, and
kill> they represent three different sounds.

[...]

What are your thoughts/feelings about words being spelled
phonetically?

According to whose speech?
[/quote]
On Oct 21, 9:48 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:47:52 -0700 (PDT),
"2.7182818284590..." <tangent1...@gmail.com> wrote > in sci.lang:

English words are not spelled so descriptively/precisely,
What are your thoughts/feelings about words being spelled
phonetically?

According to whose speech?
[/quote]
Isn>t English spelt phonetically ... according to Middle English
speakers' speech? Would it be ridiculous to change the spelling such
that it is spelt phonetically according to Shakesperian English
speech? Any more riduculous than what we currently do, that is.

[quote]In other words, it>s not even really possible. Spelling
them *phonemically* isn>t quite so ridiculous, but it still
requires using different spellings for U.S., southern
British, and Scottish Englishes, and there are other very
significant drawbacks, all of which have been rehearsed here
many times.[/quote]

ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com · Guest

On Nov 18, 8:58 am, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:07:59 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_math...@yahoo.com" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote
On Oct 21, 9:48 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
"2.7182818284590..." <tangent1...@gmail.com> wrote

What are your thoughts/feelings about words being spelled
phonetically?
According to whose speech?
Isn>t English spelt phonetically ... according to Middle
English speakers' speech?

Of course not. Do you imagine that all speakers of ME
pronounced their words identically? ME dialects didn>t even
all have the same morphology, let alone phonology. You
couldn>t even get a phonemic spelling that would work for
both northern and southern varieties.
[/quote]
What if we were to define Middle English as Chaucer>s English?

[quote]Would it be ridiculous to change the spelling such
that it is spelt phonetically according to Shakesperian English
speech?

Whose individual variety of Shakesperean English would you
use to establish the spelling?
[/quote]
Let>s say QE I>s, to the extent that it can be reconstructed.

[quote]And what would you do about
the fact that the pronunciation of a word may depend on the
context in which it appears?
[/quote]
What might be an example of such a thing?

[quote]Haven>t you yet realized that
the whole idea of phonetic spelling is problematic?
[/quote]
Languages of India don>t seem to have too much trouble on account of
their being spelt phonetically in accordance with a didactic*
pronunciation notwithstanding gaps between didactic and actual
pronunciation.
* or perhaps even a hypothetical didactic pronunciation

[quote]Or did you really mean to change to a phonemic spelling of,
say, educated London speech ca. 1600? That might in
principle be possible, but it>s hard to imagine anything
more pointless; of course it would be ridiculous.
[/quote]
That too would be a possiblity. Wouldn>t this reduce the gap between
English orthography and pronunciation? The question was what we think
of words being spelt phonetically. In that context, what I>m asking is
about what to think of words being spelt *more* phonetically or,
alternatively, morphemes being spelt *more* phonetically than they
currently are.

harmony · Guest

mullas are being heard to be leaning that way. there will be a fatwa soon
directing the mommedans to focus only on the green part of the flag.

<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20081117Blgl9KS14dh2A09A1o2gO5m@MZ8c3...
[quote]Finally, there>s motivation for Muslims to not end their fast.

Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
http://www.mantra.com/jai
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti

In article <4921e22f$0$5457$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:

now how will mohamadans bring themsleves to feel holy enough to break
their
fast, looking at the moon on eid nights with the hindu flag firmly
planted
there on the moon?

[/quote]

ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com · Guest

On Nov 18, 2:09 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:55:17 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_math...@yahoo.com" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote

On Nov 18, 8:58 am, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:07:59 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_math...@yahoo.com" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote
On Oct 21, 9:48 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
"2.7182818284590..." <tangent1...@gmail.com> wrote
What are your thoughts/feelings about words being spelled
phonetically?
According to whose speech?
Isn>t English spelt phonetically ... according to Middle
English speakers' speech?
Of course not. Do you imagine that all speakers of ME
pronounced their words identically? ME dialects didn>t even
all have the same morphology, let alone phonology. You
couldn>t even get a phonemic spelling that would work for
both northern and southern varieties.
What if we were to define Middle English as Chaucer>s English?

No.

Would it be ridiculous to change the spelling such
that it is spelt phonetically according to Shakesperian English
speech?
Whose individual variety of Shakesperean English would you
use to establish the spelling?
Let>s say QE I>s, to the extent that it can be reconstructed.

What on earth would be the point?

And what would you do about the fact that the
pronunciation of a word may depend on the context in
which it appears?
What might be an example of such a thing?

An obvious example: <the> can have a full or a reduced
vowel.

Haven>t you yet realized that the whole idea of phonetic
spelling is problematic?
Languages of India don>t seem to have too much trouble on
account of their being spelt phonetically [...]

They aren>t, though some at least come a good deal closer
than many.

Or did you really mean to change to a phonemic spelling of,
say, educated London speech ca. 1600? That might in
principle be possible, but it>s hard to imagine anything
more pointless; of course it would be ridiculous.
That too would be a possiblity. Wouldn>t this reduce the
gap between English orthography and pronunciation?

I cannot see the slightest merit in the idea.
[/quote]
In India, I once came across the owner of a store with <Unique> in its
name; he pronounced it [junikju] which he wouldn>t have done if it
were spelt <yuneek> or something close to it.

[quote]Proposals
based on current varieties of English are bad enough; this
is simply moronic.
[/quote]
If QE I>s pronunciation of cough, woman, caution and fish can be
respelled as kof, wimman, caushn and fish, these would reflect current
pronunciation too. Even if her pronunciation was a little different
from today>s, the respellings would be closer to current
pronunciations than are the spellings we currently have.

Brian M. Scott · Guest

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:07:59 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com" <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote
in
<news:75c6ab77-ae24-48bf-a0b3-bc0af3643491@c2g2000pra.googlegroups.com>
in sci.lang:

[quote]On Oct 21, 9:48 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:47:52 -0700 (PDT),
"2.7182818284590..." <tangent1...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:cd145e1d-c2d1-4cbd-bbdc-00c9485cd8c9@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com
in sci.lang:
[/quote]
[...]

[quote]What are your thoughts/feelings about words being spelled
phonetically?

According to whose speech?

Isn>t English spelt phonetically ... according to Middle
English speakers' speech?
[/quote]
Of course not. Do you imagine that all speakers of ME
pronounced their words identically? ME dialects didn>t even
all have the same morphology, let alone phonology. You
couldn>t even get a phonemic spelling that would work for
both northern and southern varieties.

[quote]Would it be ridiculous to change the spelling such
that it is spelt phonetically according to Shakesperian English
speech?
[/quote]
Whose individual variety of Shakesperean English would you
use to establish the spelling? And what would you do about
the fact that the pronunciation of a word may depend on the
context in which it appears? Haven>t you yet realized that
the whole idea of phonetic spelling is problematic?

Or did you really mean to change to a phonemic spelling of,
say, educated London speech ca. 1600? That might in
principle be possible, but it>s hard to imagine anything
more pointless; of course it would be ridiculous.

[...]

Brian

ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com · Guest

On Nov 18, 3:27 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:50:02 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_math...@yahoo.com" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote
in
news:aa52dc09-81bb-4276-9890-485c11447824@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com
in sci.lang:

On Nov 18, 2:09 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:55:17 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_math...@yahoo.com" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote
On Nov 18, 8:58 am, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:

[...]

Or did you really mean to change to a phonemic spelling
of, say, educated London speech ca. 1600? That might
in principle be possible, but it>s hard to imagine
anything more pointless; of course it would be
ridiculous.
That too would be a possiblity. Wouldn>t this reduce the
gap between English orthography and pronunciation?
I cannot see the slightest merit in the idea.
In India, I once came across the owner of a store with
Unique> in its name; he pronounced it [junikju] which he
wouldn>t have done if it were spelt <yuneek> or something
close to it.

So? He clearly didn>t understand English spelling
conventions; is that any reason to inconvenience millions
who do?
[/quote]
Who would be inconvenienced? Are millions of Arabs inconvenienced by
the existence of a standard for transliterating Arabic to Latin
script?

[quote]Proposals based on current varieties of English are bad
enough; this is simply moronic.
If QE I>s pronunciation of cough, woman, caution and fish
can be respelled as kof, wimman, caushn and fish, these
would reflect current pronunciation too. Even if her
pronunciation was a little different from today>s, the
respellings would be closer to current pronunciations
than are the spellings we currently have.

So what? That bee>s in your bonnet, not mine. (And I don>t
think that having to respell <meet> and <make> as <mate> and
mehk> or the like would be particularly helpful.)

Spelling reform in general has been done to death here, and
I>m certainly not going to waste any more time on a proposal
as transparently idiotic as this one.[/quote]

Guest

On Nov 17, 5:01 pm, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]Attacking and offending and
insulting and harassing and stalking and menacing
me is not a reasonable occupation for an 41 or 42
years old. He is wasting his life away, precious years
that won>t come back.
[/quote]
Just for your information: during the last two and a half years, I
have been learning Armenian, Maltese, and Georgian, all of which I
started to learn from scratch. I am now able to read newspaper Maltese
with diminishing difficulty and have tackled most of Armenian grammar
(but I confess my Georgian is still nothing to write home about). I
have also translated one half of Isaac Asimov>s "Foundation" into
Irish, authored a long article about the Irish language in German (I
can send you a copy if you are interested) and written dozens of Irish-
language articles for the Irish Wikipedia. This, in addition to my two
jobs. And it is not all, of course.

Has the thought never crossed your mind that it would be a nice
recreational activity for a busy man to be stalking and killrating a
disgusting spammer?

Juuso Virtanen · Guest

On ollut naurussa pitelemistä kun on kuulustellut miten SUPO on huolissaan
siitä miten kirjoitukseni vaikuttaa täällä olevaan "nuorisoon?" Ja sitten
selitellään miten ikäänkuin huolestuneita ollaan heillä siitä, miten
kirjoitukseni saa massat ryntäämään ydinvoiman PUOLELLE!

Öö.. noin jahas ja onko SUPO:sta siten paha, jos kansa kannattaa
ydinvoimaa!??

Onko sitten MYÖS mun kannalta 100% uskoittavaa, että nimenomaan
ydininsinöörien huoli olisi aiheessa AITOA??

Niin oikke juu. Kyllä tuossa yhtälöissä mättää niin jok ikinen yksityiskohta
alusta loppuun asti, ettei noita nauramati luve kukaaN! Kaiken muun
syytöharhansa lisäksi luuleeko ydininsinööri, että älyllisen nuoren päähän
voi noin vaan kirjoittaa aivoituksia, kuin vieraskirjaan? Kyllä nyt SUPO:n
porukoiden "pitäisi tajuta ihmispsykologiasta" jotain! Kun nuori aloittelee
ammatin valintaa hän kyselee sitä tietysti ydininsinööri-isältään. Saaden
vaan :"Juu on sielä ihan kivaa ja rahaa saa, älä kysy, kun kielsivät
puhumasta asiasta firman ulkopuolella mitään!" Nuori sanoo harmistuneena
tutkivansa sitten itse netistä.

Ja kas kummaa ydinalasta ei aukee sivua paria mainosta enempää! Ja nuoreen
iskee syvä, hämmästynyt epäilys. Pari nettihittiä Ronneburg, Wismunt,
Majakin ydinräjähdys ja päälle ehkä materiaalia Harrisburgista. Ainoat
jotka aiheesta osaa kirjoitella on, kas kummaa mun 72 raporttia, jossa
kerrotaan rehdisti tuhansista säteilyyn kuolleista suorasukaisen
dogumentoivasti. Ja se yksi pakolinen SUPO:n materiaali joka kertoo kuin
insinööri-isäkloonaus, että ydinonnettumuus on :"Hauskinta mitä voi housut
jalassa elämältään toivoa!( Nuori kiikuttaa isälleen pari kopiota jutuistani
ja ilmeisestä ristiriidasta ns. "julkisuuskamaan ja isäinsu raivostuu, että
kuka tällaista paskaa edes kehtaa! Teini sanoo, ettei tiiä kun netissä..
..Siitä paikasta isä kuin myrkyn merkki ja kieltää koko netteilyn seinään
viikorahakielloin! .. ..

Siltappaa juu ja kaverit kertoo koulussa 4,5 miljoonasta löytämistään
Tsernon uhrista ja Vartiaisen 7.3 milj/v ydinkuolemasta ja lukuisista muista
esiin kaivamistaan jutuistani. No mitäs luulisitte, kun hiiltynyt isä kysele
toivojensa intoa parin vuoden päästä ydintöihin, jossa rahaa tulee kuin
sontaa ja säteily on ihan JesH!? No hei täällä niitä "isiä" oli jo
ilahduttavan pian ensiraporttieni jälkeen ruikuttamassa nuortensa
ydinkammoa. .Öö noin mistäs syystä? Ja ennen kaikkea kiikuttaako tämän
kaiken kokenut isä totuuden tästä mulle torvet soiden?!))

Brian M. Scott · Guest

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:55:17 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com" <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote
in
<news:a19ec796-b8de-4ca8-b426-1c290a5f7a82@k24g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
in sci.lang:

[quote]On Nov 18, 8:58 am, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:07:59 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_math...@yahoo.com" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote

On Oct 21, 9:48 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:

"2.7182818284590..." <tangent1...@gmail.com> wrote

What are your thoughts/feelings about words being spelled
phonetically?

According to whose speech?

Isn>t English spelt phonetically ... according to Middle
English speakers' speech?

Of course not. Do you imagine that all speakers of ME
pronounced their words identically? ME dialects didn>t even
all have the same morphology, let alone phonology. You
couldn>t even get a phonemic spelling that would work for
both northern and southern varieties.

What if we were to define Middle English as Chaucer>s English?
[/quote]
No.

[quote]Would it be ridiculous to change the spelling such
that it is spelt phonetically according to Shakesperian English
speech?

Whose individual variety of Shakesperean English would you
use to establish the spelling?

Let>s say QE I>s, to the extent that it can be reconstructed.
[/quote]
What on earth would be the point?

[quote]And what would you do about the fact that the
pronunciation of a word may depend on the context in
which it appears?

What might be an example of such a thing?
[/quote]
An obvious example: <the> can have a full or a reduced
vowel.

[quote]Haven>t you yet realized that the whole idea of phonetic
spelling is problematic?

Languages of India don>t seem to have too much trouble on
account of their being spelt phonetically [...]
[/quote]
They aren>t, though some at least come a good deal closer
than many.

[quote]Or did you really mean to change to a phonemic spelling of,
say, educated London speech ca. 1600? That might in
principle be possible, but it>s hard to imagine anything
more pointless; of course it would be ridiculous.

That too would be a possiblity. Wouldn>t this reduce the
gap between English orthography and pronunciation?
[/quote]
I cannot see the slightest merit in the idea. Proposals
based on current varieties of English are bad enough; this
is simply moronic.

[...]

Brian M. Scott · Guest

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:50:02 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com" <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote
in
<news:aa52dc09-81bb-4276-9890-485c11447824@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
in sci.lang:

[quote]On Nov 18, 2:09 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:55:17 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_math...@yahoo.com" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote

On Nov 18, 8:58 am, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
[/quote]
[...]

[quote]Or did you really mean to change to a phonemic spelling
of, say, educated London speech ca. 1600? That might
in principle be possible, but it>s hard to imagine
anything more pointless; of course it would be
ridiculous.

That too would be a possiblity. Wouldn>t this reduce the
gap between English orthography and pronunciation?

I cannot see the slightest merit in the idea.

In India, I once came across the owner of a store with
Unique> in its name; he pronounced it [junikju] which he
wouldn>t have done if it were spelt <yuneek> or something
close to it.
[/quote]
So? He clearly didn>t understand English spelling
conventions; is that any reason to inconvenience millions
who do?

[quote]Proposals based on current varieties of English are bad
enough; this is simply moronic.

If QE I>s pronunciation of cough, woman, caution and fish
can be respelled as kof, wimman, caushn and fish, these
would reflect current pronunciation too. Even if her
pronunciation was a little different from today>s, the
respellings would be closer to current pronunciations
than are the spellings we currently have.
[/quote]
So what? That bee>s in your bonnet, not mine. (And I don>t
think that having to respell <meet> and <make> as <mate> and
<mehk> or the like would be particularly helpful.)

Spelling reform in general has been done to death here, and
I>m certainly not going to waste any more time on a proposal
as transparently idiotic as this one.

LEE Sau Dan · Guest

[quote]"ranjit" == ranjit mathews@yahoo com <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> writes:

And what would you do about the fact that the pronunciation of
a word may depend on the context in which it appears?
[/quote]
ranjit> What might be an example of such a thing?

"second" (v.) vs. "second" (v.)?

--
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E-mail: danlee@informatik.uni-freiburg.de
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Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

My "Vision of the Paleolithic Sky" from early spring
found a continuation in my new series of messages
posted yesterday: "From the Ice Age to the Bible"
(part 1 - 6). I am happy about the progress of my
work and consider it one more confirmation of
my Magdalenian approach to early language.

PIE, in my opinion, has several shortcomings.
I pointed them out before. Here again. Sound laws
don>t really hold, PIE doesn>t reach deep enough
in time, there is no reliable idea of early human
language, ever more complicated verbal formulas
are hardly able to represent early words, and the
way archaeology and other scientific disciplines
are dismissed in sci.lang is not acceptable to me.
As phonetic laws don>t really hold, paleo-linguistics
can>t be done in a quasi-algebraic manner, removed
from life and meaning.

My Magdalenian experiment, beginning in early 2005,
is fully documented in the Google archive. Also the
conditions of my work are documented. New ideas
always encountered massive hostility. Nothing changed
with the global village of the World Wide Web at the
begin of the third millennium AD.

I have often been asked for a test case, otherwise
my Magdalenian approach to early language can>t
be considered scientific. I offered several test cases,
the most elaborate one so far is found near the begin
of this here thread: Magdalenian BIR versus PIE *bher-,
English bear as the furry one, provider of the best fur,
thick, longhaired, soft and warm, vs. bear as the brown
one. People killrate my messages, while nobody can
disprove my etymology of bear, nor provide new and
better etymology for the PIE etymology. And so I feel
entitled to go on with my work. The more so as my
new work - the series of messages posted yesterday,
developed for several weeks in another thread -
reveals that BIR has an unexpected cosmological
component opening a new window on a far bygone
past.

-

[quote]From the Ice Age to the Bible (part 6)

The Cattle of Syria/Palestine were domesticated
some seven thousand years ago in the Hulah
basin, not far north of Lake Tiberias. May it be
that bulls grazed on the fertile parts of the western
shore of Lake Tiberias in the time of Jesus, and
may it be that he objected to this use by saying:
The cattle produce meat for the Romans and
the rich Jews who adopted the Roman way of life.
The bulls produce meat for a few, and block the
way to the lake for our fishermen. We could make
a better use of the fertile parts of the land by
growing fields and planting trees. And we could
save people from death by maintaining medical
centers, and we could make the blind see by
teaching them, and we could make the lame
stand on their on feet and walk by opening schools
and giving them a chance to learn a profession ...
May it be that the ancient name of Magdala,
home of Mary Magdalene, was MUC DAL,
representing an old world that has come to an
end in the eyes of Jesus? May it be that Lazarus,
Martha and Mary from Magdala were siblings
of a wealthy family, supporting Jesus in his plans?
He did wonders. Wonders are contributions to
life. His first wonder was the transformation of
water into wine on the occasion of a marriage.
Love can turn water into wine, metaphorically,
while the best wine can>t save a marriage
lacking in love.

(end of part 6)

-

From the Ice Age to the Bible (part 5)

The standing formula for the creation of the
world )OG BIR AC CA was modified through
time and finally became the begin of the Bible,
Genesis 1:1. )OG for the one who has the say
became El or Elohim. BIR for the cosmic fur
became bara' for created - Elohim created -,
in some forms blended with BRA for the right
arm, turning creation into a more deliberate
act, consider BRA MAN Brahman who created
the world playing his lyra with his right hand (man)
and arm (bra). AC for the earth became 'erets,
comparable to Latin agrum English acre arable
earth, German Acker Erde, Swiss Acher Aerde
Härd. And CA for sky, or rather CA MAI for the
sky (ca) promising the pleasure and comfort of
the female zone in a Magdalenian camp (mai)
became shamayim (c- shifting to sh- as in the
case of French court courte English short).

The Jewish tradition has very deep roots that
may here be outlined briefly. The sky god of
Göbekli Tepe was AAR RAA NOS meaning:
mind (nos) of the one composed of air (aar)
and light (raa), seen ex negativo through the
big limestone ring, a god who became the
Greek sky god Ouranos. NOS AAR RAA
as the one who followed the mind (nos) of
the one composed of air (aar) and light (raa)
became Noah. Noah led his people to Armenia,
Armenian comes from AAR RAA MAN for those
who carry out the will of the one composed of
air (aar) and light (raa) with their right hand (man).
AAR RAA NOS is also present in Haran Harran
just south of Göbekli Tepe. Abram Abraham
was linked with Harran, his name can be read
as ABA BRA meaning: he who carries out the
will of the (heavenly) father (aba) with his right
arm (bra). Abraham had a son by the name of
Isaac who may stand in the long line of bird men
as a class of supreme rulers, GhI ShA AC for
a bird call (ghi) ruler (sha) land (ac). Ja>aqob
Jacob whose byname was Israel had a vision
in the wilderness, he sees the Lord in an aureole
on top of a heavenly ladder, and in the morning
he piles up the stones he used for a pillow and
pours oil on the pile, thus making himself the
ruler of the wilderness that was to become Judea.
Now the top of many pillars of the Göbekli Tepe
are covered in cup marks, bowls carved in the
limestone, and these bowls may well have been
filled with fragrant oils when a ruler or leader was
appointed, standing in one of the temples, under
a tall pillar. Jacob is then accepting his fate of
becoming a minor ruler, not a supreme ruler
as his father Isaac, in a gesture of touching
modesty. His name would come from ShA AC,
and his byname Israel from AS RAA ) meaning:
upward (as) to the light (raa) of the Lord (clicking l
that became El and Elohim).

(end of part 5, to be continued)

-

From the Ice Age to the Bible (part 4)

Stone pillar temple D shows the form of an
egg, the long axis measuring twenty meters,
the pair of centrals pillars reaching a height
of five meters above the former floor each,
pillar 31 in the west, pillar 18 in the east.
The wide sides of the central pillars show
arms, while the narrow southern faces are
decorated with a bucranium, the head of a bull
- pillar 31 in the west - and a proto-hieroglyphic
inscription - pillar 18 in the east. So pillar 31
may represent the bull man as supreme leader,
while pillar 18 may represent the triple goddess.
The hieroglyphs consist of a standing H on top.
The vertical bar is a hollowed oval that strongly
evokes an open mouth, indicating a shamaness
or a shaman standing between the central pair
of pillars (vertical bars of the H) and speaking
(open mouth, horizontal bar of the standing H)
in the name of the goddess. The phonetic value
of this hieroglyph would be )OG for the one
who has the say: PIR GID and KAL GID pSAI,
the Underworld being indicated by the fox in
the bend of the right arm of pillar 18 (the fox
as guide through the Underworld). Below the
standing H is a ring in sort of a bowl. The 'bowl'
may represent the cosmic fur BIR, and the ring
the primeval word divided into earth and sky
named AC CA. Together we can read the
inspriction as follows: )OG BIR AC CA ...

Foxes guided the sun and moon and the soul
of a worthy dead through the Underworld. The
fox was an able guide, DhAG for able. Latin
dux means leader. Dogs, domesticated in
the era of Göbekli Tepe, are able guards and
protectors. The supreme Celtic god Dagda
was the good god in the sense of the able god.
German taugen means to be fit, able. German
Ding English thing names human made objects
that are 'able' in one or another practical way.
Ugaritic Ding means god, perhaps again in the
sense of the able one, whereas English god
comes from the inverse of DhAG, namely from
GADh for good in the moral sense. Foxes guided
good souls through the Underworld and back to
daylight, while lions and other dangerous animals,
often on the shafts of pillars, upside down, looking
downward, baring their teeth, hinder unworthy souls
from coming back and leaving the Underworld.
Scoprions may be protectors of good souls on their
dangerous way through the Underworld, and snakes
had the meaning of water, were in that sense no
danger, at least not for good souls returning to
daylight and climbing the sky in order to reach
their heavenly abode.

(end of part 4, to be continued)[/quote]

ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com · Guest

On Nov 18, 10:32 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:34:27 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_math...@yahoo.com" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote

On Nov 18, 3:27 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:50:02 -0800 (PST),
"ranjit_math...@yahoo.com" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote
in
news:aa52dc09-81bb-4276-9890-485c11447824@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com
in sci.lang:

[...]

In India, I once came across the owner of a store with
Unique> in its name; he pronounced it [junikju] which he
wouldn>t have done if it were spelt <yuneek> or something
close to it.
So? He clearly didn>t understand English spelling
conventions; is that any reason to inconvenience millions
who do?
Who would be inconvenienced?

That is an outstandingly stupid question. Every fluent
reader of English, of course.
[/quote]
Fluent readers of English would give it a miss unless it happens to
get very popular. Those who are not fluent would be limited to reading
whatever reading material is available or whatever material can be
automatically transcribed on a computer using something like
Babelfish.

John Atkinson · Guest

Craoibhin66@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Nov 18, 6:17 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Nov 17, 3:39 pm, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:

The thought that Franz should be able to disrupt the group
irrecoverably is very disagreeable. Shouldn>t we put up a fight?-

You>ve been doing so, most disagreeably, with the sole result of
encouraging his metastasis.

If more people joined me, he would be disgusted enough to leave the
place.
[/quote]
Do you really believe this yourself? Some people actually thrive on being
beaten up on, and the more shit you pile on them the happier they are.

My preferred policy is to refrain from responding to them at all. I believe
this would work and they>d eventually go away (though it would take some
time), but for success it would require _everyone_ here to do it
_all_the_time_, since if even one person replies to their posts, especially
they let themself be drawn into a slanging match, it just feeds the wierdo>s
ego.

Unfortunately, it seems that some people here don>t have the strength of
will to apply this approach consistently, or even at all. (Okay, I>m not
perfect, I do reply to Franz and Dushan>s posts myself, very very
occasionally, but I do try.)

John.

Dr. Jai Maharaj · Guest

Fasting-unto-death Muslims won>t have any need for agriculture, which
is one of the symbolisms of green -- or dollars for that matter, the other.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
http://www.mantra.com/jai
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti

In article <4922dc40$0$5495$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
[quote]
mullas are being heard to be leaning that way. there will be a fatwa soon
directing the mommedans to focus only on the green part of the flag.

http://www.mantra.com/jyotish (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:

Finally, there>s motivation for Muslims to not end their fast.

Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
http://www.mantra.com/jai
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti

In article <4921e22f$0$5457$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:

now how will mohamadans bring themsleves to feel holy enough to break
their
fast, looking at the moon on eid nights with the hindu flag firmly
planted
there on the moon?

[/quote]


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