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Timberwoof · Guest

In article <odysseus1479-at-742ACC.19053327072008@news.telus.net>,
Odysseus <odysseus1479-at@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote:

[quote]In article
timberwoof.spam-87B240.13314727072008@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net>,
Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:

In article <h-2dnXzPOf1uKBHVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"D. Ismay" <!@a.com> wrote:

snip

[...] "Noise" does not carry a signature.

Yes, it does. Its frequency distribution, for instance, can be measured.

Hence the distinctions that can be drawn between "white", "pink",
Brownian, Gaussian, &c. types of noise.
[/quote]
Brilliant!

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
Official naysayer of the DARPA kind, who knows only of what¹s accepted by
the Old Testament of the Zionist/Nazi New World Order
which refuses to accept or allow deductive reasoning.

Guest

On 27 Jul, 21:09, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...@cox.net> wrote:
[quote]A "recycling" creation has the problem of ending up with just
iron in the Universe in infinite time (assuming the cycle does
not pass through "singularity", or the second law of thermo
reverses also). A problem this Universe does not have.
[/quote]
Not if there is gravitational symmetry breaking at the event horizon
of black holes, letting only matter escape as hawking radiation, while
the anti-matter is accumulated by the black hole.

This process would "recycle" the matter distribution back to lighter
elements, as the black hole absorbs heavier elements from its
surrounding, while letting light matter escape into the observable
universe as hawking radiation.

Guest

On 27 Jul, 22:31, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:
[quote]In the case of the cosmic background radiation, its spectrum matches
blackbody radiation of a specific temperature, and that matches what one
would expect from the Big Bang hypothesis. It>s not "proof" of the kind
that teenaged boys are required to produce for geometry teachers, but it
contributes in an important way to the Big Bnag theory.
[/quote]
I think the fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background matches a
lot of noise fluctuations found other places in nature to some degree.

dlzc · Guest

Dear zanthius.d...:

On Jul 28, 9:49 am, zanthius.d...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]On 27 Jul, 21:09, "N:dlzcD:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...@cox.net> wrote:

A "recycling" creation has the problem of ending
up with just iron in the Universe in infinite time
(assuming the cycle does not pass through
"singularity", or the second law of thermo
reverses also). A problem this Universe does not
have.

Not if there is gravitational symmetry breaking at
the event horizon of black holes, letting only matter
escape as hawking radiation, while the anti-matter
is accumulated by the black hole.
[/quote]
We have seen an anti-matter jet coming out of the black hole at the
center of the Milky Way, so that does not apply.

[quote]This process would "recycle" the matter
distribution back to lighter elements, as the black
hole absorbs heavier elements from its
surrounding, while letting light matter escape into
the observable universe as hawking radiation.
[/quote]
This does not help, since you invoke a singularity to help with
"reversing" the second law of thermo. You were trying to do this
without a singularity.

Additionally, the amount of matter that will cross an event horizon
between now (or a few instants after the start fo this cycle) and
"eternity" (or reversal, in your case) is much less than 50%. *Any*
finite "survival" of heavier elements is a problem for your theory.
We need near zero metallicity at the time of the CMBR quench...

David A. Smith

Guest

On 28 Jul, 23:05, dlzc <dl...@cox.net> wrote:
[quote]We have seen an anti-matter jet coming out of the black hole at the
center of the Milky Way, so that does not apply.
[/quote]
This is not from hawking radiation, it is from the accretion disc
surrounding the black hole.

[quote]This does not help, since you invoke a singularity to help with
"reversing" the second law of thermo. You were trying to do this
without a singularity.
[/quote]
A "singularity" of zero volume is not acceptable according to quantum
physics, but I did invoke a "singularity" of a non-zero volume. You
see, the iron that is absorbed by the black hole will flow towards the
center of the black hole.

Guest

On 28 Jul, 23:26, "Starman" <star...@universe.dk> wrote:
[quote]And what excactly should stop the expansion, nothing?
[/quote]
Dark energy cyclically changing its momentum from expanding to
contracting the universe.

Something like what is described in this model: http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.0413

Guest

On 29 Jul, 02:25, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...@cox.net> wrote:
[quote]We have already observed that "spontaneous pair creation" creates
both matter and anti-matter. So the outside of the event horizon
*currently* has no preference.
[/quote]
Yes of course it creates both matter and antimatter, but if antimatter
has a preference to arise deeper into the gravitational well when a
particle pair is created, it is more likely that the black hole will
capture the antimatter, while the matter will escape as hawking
radiation.

[quote]Quantum physics does not care at all about size. Classical
mechanics does.
[/quote]
I thought it was generally expected that a theory of quantum gravity
would feature black holes without singularities.

[quote]But not all iron ends up in black holes. A good portion of it
does not.
[/quote]
I am not sure if I need all of it, but I thought that black holes were
in everybody>s future.

That is what the professor in astrophysics told me! :)

Starman · Guest

and he was proberbly killed by conservative jews, why?

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:h0dl84hg0u27a0vo1mhs0hl4b0o36cmnv2@4ax.com...
[quote]Nothing Jesus said was written down BEFORE he died. Making it very
easy to claim that he said anything at all. I>m sure his followers
have claimed he said many things that he didn>t.

One problematic thing is how liberal Jesus was. Why?

Saul Levy

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:18:56 -0700 (PDT), zanthius.dxun@gmail.com
wrote:

On 26 Jul, 04:59, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
Uh huh. And you>re smarter than all the PhDs and graduate students
working on the problem, too.

Maybe I am, maybe I ain>t, but accepting someone merely on authority
is dogma, just like believing in whatever Jesus said just because
Jesus said it.

I don>t think it is a good argument that whatever Jesus said must be
true, just because Jesus said it.

I don>t believe in anyone merely on authority.[/quote]

Starman · Guest

And what excactly should stop the expansion, nothing?

<zanthius.dxun@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:6f255e27-c606-46b9-adba-92aa55a01ead@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
[quote]On 26 Jul, 20:08, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
You seem to be saying that scientists are lying about the Big Bang.

Yes, I don>t there is sufficient evidence supporting the hypothesis
that the universe once was a point/singularity.

If the expansion was driven by energy from the big bang, then it would
be decelerating, not accelerating.

The expansion of the universe is driven by dark energy, not by energy
from the big bang.

That is why the expansion is accelerating and not decelerating.
[/quote]

Guest

On 29 Jul, 04:22, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...@cox.net> wrote:
[quote]As I said "dual to black holes" should have the necessary
curvature, but show no propensity to preferentially generate
matter.
[/quote]
I think antimatter prefers to arise deeper into a gravity well when a
particle pair is created.

There must be an almost equal amount of matter and antimatter, and
where is the antimatter, if not inside of those black holes.

There cannot be an asymmetry of more than like 1 in a billion, and if
all the matter in the universe is only 1 in a billion, then where is
all the energy from the matter and antimatter which must have reacted
and disappeared?

According to WMAP there is just a little bit more photons in the
universe than atoms, but if the asymmetry cannot be more than 1 in a
billion, then there should be something like a billion times more
photons than atoms in the universe. This is obviously not the case, so
the antimatter must hide somewhere.

[quote]Better ask again. Hawking radiation provides egress from a BH,
and Universal expansion provide a low enough backgroud temp that
they can.
[/quote]
That is only if universal expansion is forever. It could be like in
this model:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.0413

Saul Levy · Guest

Religious people don>t like upstarts or any attacks on their dogma?
lmfjao!

I question your use of the word conservative. Most Jews have always
been VERY LIBERAL. They are overly educated.

Saul Levy

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:23:06 +0200, "Starman" <starman@universe.dk>
wrote:

[quote]and he was proberbly killed by conservative jews, why?

"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:h0dl84hg0u27a0vo1mhs0hl4b0o36cmnv2@4ax.com...
Nothing Jesus said was written down BEFORE he died. Making it very
easy to claim that he said anything at all. I>m sure his followers
have claimed he said many things that he didn>t.

One problematic thing is how liberal Jesus was. Why?

Saul Levy[/quote]

Guest

On 29 Jul, 06:03, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...@cox.net> wrote:
[quote]Off by several order of magnitude.
[/quote]
That is interesting. Take a look for yourself:

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/media/080998/index.html

There is DEFINATELY not a billion times as much photons as matter in
the universe.

Saul Levy · Guest

Do you have a cite for that one, David?

The anti-matter jet I mean.

Saul Levy

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:05:06 -0700 (PDT), dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote:

[quote]We have seen an anti-matter jet coming out of the black hole at the
center of the Milky Way, so that does not apply.

David A. Smith[/quote]

Guest

On 29 Jul, 06:39, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...@cox.net> wrote:
[quote]Those are estimates of the "equivalent mass" of the photons (and
other constituents) at the time the CMBR quenched, not the
*number*. Considering the energy of a CMBR photon is on the
order of 2 eV... photons far outnumbered other particles at that
time. And matter keeps spawning more...
[/quote]
Who cares about the number of photons? Not me! I want the amount of
photons you get from the reaction of 1 billion times as much matter
and antimatter as there is matter in the universe.

That is the amount of photons there must be in the universe, if all
the matter in the universe only constitutes 1 of a billion.

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) · Guest

Dear zanthius.dxun:

<zanthius.dxun@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b42d21bf-c4de-4d35-af65-8ba4c33525ab@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
[quote]On 28 Jul, 23:05, dlzc <dl...@cox.net> wrote:
We have seen an anti-matter jet coming out
of the black hole at the center of the Milky
Way, so that does not apply.

This is not from hawking radiation, it is from
the accretion disc surrounding the black hole.
[/quote]
We have already observed that "spontaneous pair creation" creates
both matter and anti-matter. So the outside of the event horizon
*currently* has no preference.

Not that it has a strong correlation, but "dual to black holes"
evaporate with no preference.

[quote]This does not help, since you invoke a
singularity to help with "reversing" the second
law of thermo. You were trying to do this
without a singularity.

A "singularity" of zero volume is not acceptable
according to quantum physics,
[/quote]
Quantum physics does not care at all about size. Classical
mechanics does.

[quote]but I did invoke a "singularity" of a non-zero
volume. You see, the iron that is absorbed by
the black hole will flow towards the center of
the black hole.
[/quote]
But not all iron ends up in black holes. A good portion of it
does not.

David A. Smith


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