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Representative Trantis
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 Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:37 am Post subject: The Darwinian Package |
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Darwin proposed the idea of human evolution as a package, with bipedalism,
technology and intelligence/a large brain, all came together. Today we know
that isn>t true. There is a rather large gap between bipedalism and the
emergence of intelligence and technology, certainly enough for it not to be
a package.
Human females have a rather difficult time giving birth, that>s a little bit
of an understatement! This is because we first evolved bipedal locomotion,
requiring narrow hips. We then developed bigger brains. This obviously
requires a bigger head. Humans however, having a narrow pelvis, can only
stay in for nine months before they are only just large enough to still
enable them to fit the head through the pelvis. Consequently we come out
much earlier than we should for our optimal brain development. This is one
of the major theories as to why human babies are so helpless for their first
year.
It seems to me, that if you accept the general view that organisms can>t
evolve into anything less fit, in order to get fitter, they can>t go down
the slope of mount improbable to get further up in the long run as one
famous Zoologist would put it. Then something stares you in the face.
This something (I finally get to the point) is that it seems clear that
bipedalism evolved first, and that the intelligence developed later, having
to simply make do with what it has, ie, an inadequatly narrow pelvis for
such a large brain/skull.
For me this seems to stare you in the face. Why wasn>t this picked up upon
much earlier? (Or am I missing something about the specifics of the
anatomical requirements of bipedalism in apes/humans? ) |
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pete
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: The Darwinian Package |
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Representative Trantis wrote:
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Darwin proposed the idea of human evolution as a package,
with bipedalism, technology and intelligence/a large brain,
all came together.
[/quote]
On what page ?
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-descent-of-man/
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/
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Representative Trantis
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: The Darwinian Package |
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"pete" <pfiland@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Representative Trantis wrote:
Darwin proposed the idea of human evolution as a package,
with bipedalism, technology and intelligence/a large brain,
all came together.
On what page ?
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-descent-of-man/
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/
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[/quote]
Here:
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-descent-of-man/chapter-
02.html |
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Jim McGinn
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:12 am Post subject: Re: The Darwinian Package |
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"Representative Trantis" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:<bl9o4j$r0s$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
[quote]"pete" <pfiland@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Representative Trantis wrote:
Darwin proposed the idea of human evolution as a package,
[/quote]
I don>t know that Darwin ever proposed this, but if he did all the
better. Because he is absolutely right on this point. Like the
evolution of any and all species, human evolution must be a package. |
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Representative Trantis
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: The Darwinian Package |
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"Jim McGinn" <jimmcginn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[quote]"Representative Trantis" <a@a.com> wrote in message
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"pete" <pfiland@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Representative Trantis wrote:
Darwin proposed the idea of human evolution as a package,
I don>t know that Darwin ever proposed this, but if he did all the
better. Because he is absolutely right on this point. Like the
evolution of any and all species, human evolution must be a package.
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Although he didn>t say package he did propose the main fatures evolving
together. However, this was significant, because it was wrong. Humans didn>t
evolve their main features all together. For example there is a massive gap
between the emergence of bipedalism and the emergance of a bigger brain. |
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