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Prime Minister of the Kin · Guest

The Constitution of the Kingdom of God, Earth (www.grishenkoff.com)

AltWorlder · Guest

Too bad your site doesn>t say anything about Mormonism.

imipak · Guest

On Nov 24, 7:11 am, Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God
<jewna...@googlemail.com> wrote:
[quote]The Constitution of the Kingdom of God, Earth (www.grishenkoff.com)
[/quote]
I don>t know what disturbs me more - people telling God what to think,
or people talking about executing those who think differently. Power
corrupts, but religious power seems to corrupt in all kinds of highly
ingenious and original ways.

Shawn · Guest

"imipak" <imipak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:85842d1e-1bc3-4e14-a070-8cba5d4f31ca@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 24, 7:11 am, Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God
<jewna...@googlemail.com> wrote:
[quote]The Constitution of the Kingdom of God, Earth (www.grishenkoff.com)
[/quote]
I don>t know what disturbs me more - people telling God what to think,
or people talking about executing those who think differently. Power
corrupts, but religious power seems to corrupt in all kinds of highly
ingenious and original ways.

That website is slightly ridiculous. It looks like this fella kind of made
his religion to suit his own megalomania.

Alfie · Guest

imipak wrote:
[quote]On Nov 24, 7:11 am, Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God
jewna...@googlemail.com> wrote:
The Constitution of the Kingdom of God, Earth (www.grishenkoff.com)

I don>t know what disturbs me more - people telling God what to think,
or people talking about executing those who think differently. Power
corrupts, but religious power seems to corrupt in all kinds of highly
ingenious and original ways.
[/quote]
Absolutely

mike t · Guest

On Nov 25, 8:38 am, J.J. O>Shea <try.not...@but.see.sig> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:07:32 -0500, VtSkier wrote
(in article <6p2bkpF627p...@mid.individual.net>):

imipak wrote:
On Nov 24, 7:11 am, Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God
jewna...@googlemail.com> wrote:
The Constitution of the Kingdom of God, Earth (www.grishenkoff.com)

I don>t know what disturbs me more - people telling God what to think,
or people talking about executing those who think differently. Power
corrupts, but religious power seems to corrupt in all kinds of highly
ingenious and original ways.

Looks to be another anti-jewish site
to me.

Of course it is. The PM of the K of G _is_ the nutbag who once said that
Stalin was really Jewish, 'cause he was named 'Joseph' and that>s a _Jewish_
name and only a filthy Jew would use a Jewish name. That was in the classic
thread "Stalin is the best and the bloodiest example of the Jew in power" way
back in December of 2006, when the PM of the K of G wasn>t quite as nutso as
he is today.

This, of course, means that _I_ am Jewish (James Joseph O>Shea... Sounds
Jewish to me, and I>ve definitely got a filthy mind...) and so were Abraham
Lincoln, Elizabeth Tudor, John Knox, John Calvin, Ivan the Terrible, Mary
Stuart, all of the various James Stuarts, John Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, Joseph
Goebels, Benjamin Franklin... It also means that Bob Kolker is _not_ Jewish.

The PM of the K of G went way off the deep end a long, long, _long_ time ago.
He>s certifiable.

--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
[/quote]
In addition to all the anti-semitic BS, anyone know what this idiot
has against Malta and Albania?

Prime Minister Serge Gris · Guest

Mike,

Malta is Arabo-Semitic (Yellow) Christian and Albania is a Semitic
Muslim Nations. (www.grishenkoff.com)

VtSkier · Guest

imipak wrote:
[quote]On Nov 24, 7:11 am, Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God
jewna...@googlemail.com> wrote:
The Constitution of the Kingdom of God, Earth (www.grishenkoff.com)

I don>t know what disturbs me more - people telling God what to think,
or people talking about executing those who think differently. Power
corrupts, but religious power seems to corrupt in all kinds of highly
ingenious and original ways.
[/quote]
Looks to be another anti-jewish site
to me.

The god I grew up with may have been
a bit militaristic, but there was ever
forgiveness and you always got a
second chance. There were no summary
executions even though there were some
in the OT.

This guy has corrupted the Christian
message even more than the Catholic
Church, which did more than its share
of corrupting that message.

J.J. O'Shea · Guest

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:07:32 -0500, VtSkier wrote
(in article <6p2bkpF627pcU1@mid.individual.net>):

[quote]imipak wrote:
On Nov 24, 7:11 am, Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God
jewna...@googlemail.com> wrote:
The Constitution of the Kingdom of God, Earth (www.grishenkoff.com)

I don>t know what disturbs me more - people telling God what to think,
or people talking about executing those who think differently. Power
corrupts, but religious power seems to corrupt in all kinds of highly
ingenious and original ways.

Looks to be another anti-jewish site
to me.
[/quote]
Of course it is. The PM of the K of G _is_ the nutbag who once said that
Stalin was really Jewish, 'cause he was named 'Joseph' and that>s a _Jewish_
name and only a filthy Jew would use a Jewish name. That was in the classic
thread "Stalin is the best and the bloodiest example of the Jew in power" way
back in December of 2006, when the PM of the K of G wasn>t quite as nutso as
he is today.

This, of course, means that _I_ am Jewish (James Joseph O>Shea... Sounds
Jewish to me, and I>ve definitely got a filthy mind...) and so were Abraham
Lincoln, Elizabeth Tudor, John Knox, John Calvin, Ivan the Terrible, Mary
Stuart, all of the various James Stuarts, John Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, Joseph
Goebels, Benjamin Franklin... It also means that Bob Kolker is _not_ Jewish.

The PM of the K of G went way off the deep end a long, long, _long_ time ago.
He>s certifiable.

--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

Guest · Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: The Corruption of Religion

Major religions have it that when a mother and a father contemplate
the bundle of joy they>ve nourished in the womb for nine months; the
fruit of their love, the delight of their senses.

While other parents live the exultation to look for the first time at
the infant>s tiny but perfectly formed fingers, they veiled gaze of
his little eyes, the plump baby fat under the rosy skin and the first
cries. OTHER religious parents are thinking.

"Let>s get a sharp knife, or scissors, or stone, or rabbinical teeth
and let>s hack his genitals."

Yes folks. THAT>S HOW RELIGION CORRUPTS.

Guest · Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: The Corruption of Religion

On Nov 27, 1:07 pm, te...@tiglath.net wrote:
[quote]Major religions have it that when a mother and a father contemplate
the bundle of joy they>ve nourished in the womb for nine months; the
fruit of their love, the delight of their senses.

While other parents live the exultation to look for the first time at
the infant>s tiny but perfectly formed fingers, they veiled gaze of
his little eyes, the plump baby fat under the rosy skin and the first
cries. OTHER religious parents are thinking.

"Let>s get a sharp knife, or scissors, or stone, or rabbinical teeth
and let>s hack his genitals."

Yes folks. THAT>S HOW RELIGION CORRUPTS.
[/quote]
And you will hear that health organizations have declared that
circumcision helps fights AIDS, implying that somehow that makes it
all right.

It>s the typical non-argument from believers.

Amputation is an excellent way to fight gangrene.

I do not recommend it for newborn infants.

These are the same people who themselves believe, and hope you will
join them, that in the long human history of some 200,000 years, their
deity of choice watched us impassibly for hundreds of thousand of
years as our species came perilously close to extinction in Africa, as
it plodded through climatic and other natural ravages, including
disease and as human lives were extinguished in the second or third
decade on average, and that only about four thousand years ago the
deity said that enough was enough and decided to intervene.

The deity did so not globally but by inspiring scribes in the Middle
East to write a mangled and garbled message that it>s
indistinguishable from what one would expect men in the Bronze and
Iron Ages to write. It took 3500 years for the message to arrive in
America, for instance. Where it was promptly mangled some more.

Yes folk, they expect you to believe THAT.

Can you for an instant imagine if there was an all-knowing, all-
powerful deity of infinite wisdom who decided to give us a book of
revelation? Imagine what such a book might contain. Mind blowing
doesn>t begin to describe it.

Instead we have the Bible and the Koran, and other succedanea.

There is no mention of electricity in the Bible or the Koran, or
germs, or galaxies.

In fact there is NOTHING in either of those books that is not
consistent what an ancient man would write. Where is the divine
touch?

Religion was our FIRST and WORST attempt to make sense of all that had
confounded us since the onset of human consciousness. It was a way to
deal with the terrifying and massive human ignorance of our beginnings
as primates that were distancing themselves from their cousins by
getting smarter rapidly.

We have come a long way, and why our ignorance is still considerable
we understand ourselves and how the world works far better.

To explain the world to us, we no longer need the FIRST and WORST book
of explanations. We have much better ones.

And THAT is precisely what believers want you to use to understand the
world and to guide your life.

Cease and desist, believers. We know better, and YOU should.

Guest · Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: The Corruption of Religion

The believer has many arrows in his quiver.

It>s fun to see them miss the mark, over and over again.

Once you point out to the believer how little sense all makes and that
his religion has all the appearances of being man made. If it looks
like a duck....

Then he>ll change the subject, because things aren>t going well.
He>ll say that God must exist because he is the sole source of
morality. And to illustrate the point he>ll point at the godless
dictatorships of the 20th centuries and their death toll. You will
hear the names of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol-pot.

A mind that believes the Bible, can>t see how both those arguments are
completely invalid.

Morality?

Where from? The Ten Commandments?

If so, the believer expects you to accept that the Jews before Moses
and all the people of the world who didn>t get the Bible message just
yet, thought that murder and thievery and lying were in fact fine and
dandy. Moses came down and said, "enough of that!" and people became
moral.

That is of course nonsense. There would have been no human race if
that was the case. Human solidarity made it possible for our species
to survive, the same source of innate morality American Indians had
much before murderous Catholics told them the murder was a sin.

There is morality outside the Ten Commandments in the bible, they
say.

Ok. Let>s take a couple of examples...

'Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The
entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when
he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.'

-- Leviticus 24:16

Anyone who stones a blasphemer will likely be prosecuted for murder.

Here is a juicier one...

'If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and
slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman,
but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,"
then the girl>s father and mother shall bring proof that she was a
virgin to the town elders at the gate. The girl>s father will say to
the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he
dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your
daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter>s
virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders
of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19
They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver [a] and give them to
the girl>s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a
bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her
as long as he lives. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of
the girl>s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of
her father>s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to
death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous
while still in her father>s house. You must purge the evil from among
you.

-- Deuteronomy 22:13-21

Anyone who stones a woman who pretends to be a virgin in her wedding
night will also likely be prosecuted for murder.

The believer misses the obvious point that if we no longer stone
people for those "terrible" things is that our TRUE source of morality
has told us to disregard the parts of the Bible that are incompatible
with it.

Yet they insists on teaching a book of morals that largely doesn>t
apply?

Because people acted morally well before the Bible came into being,
and because we ignore, in fact we make illegal, many of the moral
teachings of the Bible, the Bible cannot possibly be the source of
human morality.

And similarly for the scripture of other religions.

Those are arguments believers cannot deflect with their reason, only
with their will.

And when the believer contrasts the evils made by religion with the
evils (with a higher body count) perpetrated by atheistic regimes,
Hitler, Stalin, etc., he doesn>t realize that it>s an imaginary
contrast.

It>s in fact a similarity.

Religion is just a form of dogmatism. But not all dogmatism is
religious.

Victims of Hitler, Stalin, etc., are not victims of atheism, but of
dogmatism. They just HAPPENED to be atheists.

The essential difference between the believer and the atheist is that
the believer is CERTAIN he is right. The atheist, the good one at
least, is a rational skeptic, who wants to know instead of
believing. Atheism would be at fault for the Holocaust if it had
been caused by extreme skepticism, or by a surfeit of refusing to
believe without evidence. But that is clearly not the case. It was
caused by religious-like, firm belief: dogmatic nationalism with
doctrinaire, firm beliefs that Arians were superior and the inferior
had to go.

DOGMATISM.

It doesn>t matter who is believed to be God or god-like and absolutely
right, Yahweh, Hitler, Marx, or the Eternal President of North Korea,
a dead man, Kim Il-sung. It>s the same thing.

The believer thinks he is making a great point towards condemning
atheism when he rattles on about Hitler, Stalin, etc., but he is
unwittingly reinforcing the argument against religions, one of the
worse forms of DOGMATISM.

Guest · Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:41 am Post subject: Re: The Corruption of Religion

On Nov 27, 4:41 pm, DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
[quote]This is off-topic in soc.history.what-if
[/quote]
I don>t think so...

What (would history be like) IF the Bible required circumcisions to be
done by one-arm men with a chain saw?

Peter Jason · Guest

It>s a form of branding. They mark the child for life as a
member of a religion or tribe or gang.

Funny how the Jews complain when force to wear yellow stars:
it>s just more of the same thing.

Religion never claims to be logical.

<temp6@tiglath.net> wrote in message
news:d909a137-d64b-4245-86f6-358056648b67@k8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
[quote]
Major religions have it that when a mother and a father
contemplate
the bundle of joy they>ve nourished in the womb for nine
months; the
fruit of their love, the delight of their senses.

While other parents live the exultation to look for the
first time at
the infant>s tiny but perfectly formed fingers, they
veiled gaze of
his little eyes, the plump baby fat under the rosy skin
and the first
cries. OTHER religious parents are thinking.

"Let>s get a sharp knife, or scissors, or stone, or
rabbinical teeth
and let>s hack his genitals."

Yes folks. THAT>S HOW RELIGION CORRUPTS.[/quote]

James Hogg · Guest

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:44:32 +1100, "Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com>
wrote:

[quote]It>s a form of branding. They mark the child for life as a
member of a religion or tribe or gang.

Funny how the Jews complain when force to wear yellow stars:
it>s just more of the same thing.

Religion never claims to be logical.
[/quote]
Well, the advantage of the yellow stars, from the Nazis' point of
view, was that they were rather more visible than a missing
foreskin. More practical than requiring men to go around with
their fly open as proof of whether or not they were Jewish.

Yellow stars could also be pinned to women, who evidently did not
need any physical mutilation to be counted as members of the
tribe.

James


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