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William Black · Guest

"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
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[quote]It>s a form of branding. They mark the child for life as a member of a
religion or tribe or gang.

Funny how the Jews complain when force to wear yellow stars: it>s just
more of the same thing.
[/quote]
Well no.

There>s a difference between a target and a symbol...

It>s like soldiers objecting to fluorescent rank badges...

--
William Black

I>ve seen things you people wouldn>t believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Peter Jason · Guest

"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in
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[quote]
"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
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It>s a form of branding. They mark the child for life as
a member of a religion or tribe or gang.

Funny how the Jews complain when force to wear yellow
stars: it>s just more of the same thing.

Well no.

There>s a difference between a target and a symbol...

It>s like soldiers objecting to fluorescent rank badges...

--
William Black
[/quote]
Yellow stars were a symbol or label, not a target. This
might be a good time for you to take up reading history.

I can imagine any officer objecting to wearing fluorescent
rank badges because wheras the common soldier gets whacked
by the enemy, the rank brigade tends to get it in the back
from their own men. Oz soldiers use the more practical
way, by rolling a pin-less handgrenade into the toff>s tent.

William Black · Guest

"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
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"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
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It>s a form of branding. They mark the child for life as a member of a
religion or tribe or gang.

Funny how the Jews complain when force to wear yellow stars: it>s just
more of the same thing.

Well no.

There>s a difference between a target and a symbol...

It>s like soldiers objecting to fluorescent rank badges...

--
William Black

Yellow stars were a symbol or label, not a target.
[/quote]
They were in Nazi Germany, which is, when you think about it (I know you
don>t think much, but for once please try) all that matters...

--
William Black

I>ve seen things you people wouldn>t believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

DJensen · Guest

This is off-topic in soc.history.what-if

Martin Edwards · Guest

Peter Jason wrote:
[quote]It>s a form of branding. They mark the child for life as a
member of a religion or tribe or gang.

Funny how the Jews complain when force to wear yellow stars:
it>s just more of the same thing.

I and many men my age in the UK were circumcised because the NHS was in[/quote]
its first flush and was finding things to do.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

Martin Edwards · Guest

Bryan Olson wrote:
[quote]VtSkier wrote:
The god I grew up with may have been
a bit militaristic, but there was ever
forgiveness and you always got a
second chance. There were no summary
executions even though there were some
in the OT.

As Christopher Hitchens points out, brutal as the OT is, at least the
torments it commands end upon death. Not until the gentle and loving
Jesus of the NT does holy scripture threaten eternal torture.

A close reading will show that these references are to a real place, the[/quote]
valley of Hinnom, the garbage dump of the day, where the fire never went
out (but of course did eventually). The maggots, which is what the
worms really were, did not die. They turned into insects, then died.
The Hell we came to hear about in childhood is the result of centuries
of speculation, and speculation about speculation.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

Bryan Olson · Guest

VtSkier wrote:
[quote]The god I grew up with may have been
a bit militaristic, but there was ever
forgiveness and you always got a
second chance. There were no summary
executions even though there were some
in the OT.
[/quote]
As Christopher Hitchens points out, brutal as the OT is, at least the
torments it commands end upon death. Not until the gentle and loving
Jesus of the NT does holy scripture threaten eternal torture.

Comedian Bill Hicks summed up the Christian message, "eternal suffering
awaits anyone who questions God>s infinite love."

[quote]This guy has corrupted the Christian
message even more than the Catholic
Church, which did more than its share
of corrupting that message.
[/quote]
Christianity is a twisted mess of good and bad ideas, which is not
surprising because people made it and we>re like that.

--
--Bryan

Renia · Guest

Martin Edwards wrote:
[quote]Peter Jason wrote:
It>s a form of branding. They mark the child for life as a member of
a religion or tribe or gang.

Funny how the Jews complain when force to wear yellow stars: it>s just
more of the same thing.

I and many men my age in the UK were circumcised because the NHS was in
its first flush and was finding things to do.
[/quote]
Too much info!

(I always think if chaps were born like that they should stay like that.
It>s not for man to interfere with the reproductive bits and pieces.)

Guest · Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: The Corruption of Religion

On Nov 28, 2:56 am, Martin Edwards <big_mart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]Peter Jason wrote:
It>s a form of branding. They mark the child for life as a
member of a religion or tribe or gang.

Funny how the Jews complain when force to wear yellow stars:
it>s just more of the same thing.

I and many men my age in the UK were circumcised because the NHS was in
its first flush and was finding things to do.

[/quote]
You must feel a little bit lost.

Bryan Olson · Guest

Martin Edwards wrote:
[quote]Bryan Olson wrote:
VtSkier wrote:
The god I grew up with may have been
a bit militaristic, but there was ever
forgiveness and you always got a
second chance. There were no summary
executions even though there were some
in the OT.

As Christopher Hitchens points out, brutal as the OT is, at least the
torments it commands end upon death. Not until the gentle and loving
Jesus of the NT does holy scripture threaten eternal torture.

A close reading will show that these references are to a real place, the
valley of Hinnom, the garbage dump of the day, where the fire never went
out (but of course did eventually).
[/quote]
A more complete reading will find other words for hell in the New Testament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell#Biblical_words_translated_as_.22Hell.22

[quote]The maggots, which is what the
worms really were, did not die. They turned into insects, then died.
[/quote]
There>s no particular import to the fact that "Gehenna", a name for the
supernatural Hell, derived from an actual place of garbage incineration.

[quote]The Hell we came to hear about in childhood is the result of centuries
of speculation, and speculation about speculation.
[/quote]
Not just centuries, millennia, including the tails told in the Bible.

--
--Bryan

Martin Edwards · Guest

temp6@tiglath.net wrote:
[quote]On Nov 28, 2:56 am, Martin Edwards <big_mart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
It>s a form of branding. They mark the child for life as a
member of a religion or tribe or gang.
Funny how the Jews complain when force to wear yellow stars:
it>s just more of the same thing.
I and many men my age in the UK were circumcised because the NHS was in
its first flush and was finding things to do.

You must feel a little bit lost.

I was about three before I learned that other men had them.[/quote]

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

Martin Edwards · Guest

Renia wrote:
[quote]Martin Edwards wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
It>s a form of branding. They mark the child for life as a member of
a religion or tribe or gang.

Funny how the Jews complain when force to wear yellow stars: it>s
just more of the same thing.

I and many men my age in the UK were circumcised because the NHS was
in its first flush and was finding things to do.

Too much info!

(I always think if chaps were born like that they should stay like that.
It>s not for man to interfere with the reproductive bits and pieces.)
[/quote]
I only meant that it is not always done for religious reasons.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”


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