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cyril
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 Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 4:33 am Post subject: Re: The case for the best fuel in the future |
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pochas@chartermi.net (pochas), notre ami(e) à tous, qu>on aime
tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de Lussac-St
Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
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Air Products has 350 miles of them.
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Their are 600 milesof H2 pipelines in the US, and 900 miles in europe
(Northern France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany).
Their are enough pipelines in this part of Europe to call it an
hydrogen networks. All are interconnected.
But they deliver H2 for industry, their capacity is not enormous.
Because of its now density, H2 would need much bigger pipe-lines than
natural gas for a given equivalent power (i mean : the thermal power
one would get burning all the coming gas).
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"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."
Aldous Huxley |
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TCS
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 5:06 am Post subject: Re: The case for the best fuel in the future |
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:33:11 +0100, cyril <meyn#ie#r.cy#ril@wan#adoo.fr//virezles#> wrote:
[quote]pochas@chartermi.net (pochas), notre ami(e) à tous, qu>on aime
tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de Lussac-St
Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
Air Products has 350 miles of them.
Their are 600 milesof H2 pipelines in the US, and 900 miles in europe
(Northern France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany).
[/quote]
Name a single 100 mile stretch in the US. Put up or shut up. |
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pochas
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 8:15 am Post subject: Re: The case for the best fuel in the future |
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In article <slrnbvein1.33h.The-Central-Scrutinizer@c-24-8-35-132.client.comcast.net>, TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:33:11 +0100, cyril <meyn#ie#r.cy#ril@wan#adoo.fr//virezles#> wrote:
pochas@chartermi.net (pochas), notre ami(e) à tous, qu>on aime
tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de Lussac-St
Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
Air Products has 350 miles of them.
Their are 600 milesof H2 pipelines in the US, and 900 miles in europe
(Northern France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany).
Name a single 100 mile stretch in the US. Put up or shut up.
[/quote]
Get lost. |
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TCS
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 8:34 am Post subject: Re: The case for the best fuel in the future |
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:15:19 -0500, pochas <pochas@chartermi.net> wrote:
[quote]In article <slrnbvein1.33h.The-Central-Scrutinizer@c-24-8-35-132.client.comcast.net>, TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:33:11 +0100, cyril <meyn#ie#r.cy#ril@wan#adoo.fr//virezles#> wrote:
pochas@chartermi.net (pochas), notre ami(e) à tous, qu>on aime
tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de Lussac-St
Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
Air Products has 350 miles of them.
Their are 600 milesof H2 pipelines in the US, and 900 miles in europe
(Northern France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany).
Name a single 100 mile stretch in the US. Put up or shut up.
Get lost.
[/quote]
Put up or shut up. |
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cyril
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: The case for the best fuel in the future |
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TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com>, notre ami(e) à tous,
qu>on aime tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de
Lussac-St Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
[quote]On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:15:19 -0500, pochas <pochas@chartermi.net> wrote:
In article <slrnbvein1.33h.The-Central-Scrutinizer@c-24-8-35-132.client.comcast.net>, TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:33:11 +0100, cyril <meyn#ie#r.cy#ril@wan#adoo.fr//virezles#> wrote:
pochas@chartermi.net (pochas), notre ami(e) à tous, qu>on aime
tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de Lussac-St
Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
Air Products has 350 miles of them.
Their are 600 milesof H2 pipelines in the US, and 900 miles in europe
(Northern France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany).
Name a single 100 mile stretch in the US. Put up or shut up.
Get lost.
Put up or shut up.
[/quote]
check :
http://www.afh2.org/archive/fiche_4_1_alphea.pdf
Text is in French, but the mpas show existing H2 pipe-lines.
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"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."
Aldous Huxley |
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Don Lancaster
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: The case for the best fuel in the future |
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cyril wrote:
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TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com>, notre ami(e) à tous,
qu>on aime tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de
Lussac-St Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:15:19 -0500, pochas <pochas@chartermi.net> wrote:
In article <slrnbvein1.33h.The-Central-Scrutinizer@c-24-8-35-132.client.comcast.net>, TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:33:11 +0100, cyril <meyn#ie#r.cy#ril@wan#adoo.fr//virezles#> wrote:
pochas@chartermi.net (pochas), notre ami(e) à tous, qu>on aime
tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de Lussac-St
Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
Air Products has 350 miles of them.
Their are 600 milesof H2 pipelines in the US, and 900 miles in europe
(Northern France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany).
Name a single 100 mile stretch in the US. Put up or shut up.
Get lost.
Put up or shut up.
check :
http://www.afh2.org/archive/fiche_4_1_alphea.pdf
Text is in French, but the mpas show existing H2 pipe-lines.
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"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."
Aldous Huxley
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These specialty pipllines are all refinery related, delivering on-demand
hydrogen whose value GREATLY EXCEEDS its meager energy content.
Their design and construction is extremely specialized, as is their use.
There is NOT ONE hydrogen pipeline anywhere of significant length that
is delivering bulk hydrogen intended for raw energy use. The reason is
that the energy density of such a pipeline would not be remotely cost
effective.
Ordinary pipelines cannot handle hydrogen because of its pathetic energy
density, embrittlement, and diffusion.
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Many thanks,
Don Lancaster
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
voice: (928)428-4073 email: don@tinaja.com fax 847-574-1462
Please visit my GURU>s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com |
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Tony Wesley
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: The case for the best fuel in the future |
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cyril <meyn#ie#r.cy#ril@wan#adoo.fr//virezles#> wrote in message news:<bjlfvv4uolvcfo3cscim1voviutsi2m99r@4ax.com>...
[quote]TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com>, notre ami(e) à tous,
qu>on aime tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de
Lussac-St Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:15:19 -0500, pochas <pochas@chartermi.net> wrote:
In article <slrnbvein1.33h.The-Central-Scrutinizer@c-24-8-35-132.client.comcast.net>, TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:33:11 +0100, cyril <meyn#ie#r.cy#ril@wan#adoo.fr//virezles#> wrote:
pochas@chartermi.net (pochas), notre ami(e) à tous, qu>on aime
tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de Lussac-St
Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
Air Products has 350 miles of them.
Their are 600 milesof H2 pipelines in the US, and 900 miles in europe
(Northern France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany).
Name a single 100 mile stretch in the US. Put up or shut up.
Get lost.
Put up or shut up.
check :
http://www.afh2.org/archive/fiche_4_1_alphea.pdf
Text is in French, but the mpas show existing H2 pipe-lines.
[/quote]
I looked at this file.
Here is the statement by Don Lancaster that seems to have started this
brew-ha-ha:
[quote]Note that US hydrogen is ALWAYS liquified if it is to be transported
more than a hundred miles.
[/quote]
The PDF referenced above shows a H2 pipeline from Corpus Christi, Texas to
Three Rivers, Texas. Mapquest show the driving distance between these two
towns to be 73 miles.
There is also a shorter one outside of Houston.
So this PDF supports Don>s statement about US hydrogen. |
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Don Lancaster
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| Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:12 am Post subject: Re: The case for the best fuel in the future |
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Tony Wesley wrote:
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cyril <meyn#ie#r.cy#ril@wan#adoo.fr//virezles#> wrote in message news:<bjlfvv4uolvcfo3cscim1voviutsi2m99r@4ax.com>...
TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com>, notre ami(e) à tous,
qu>on aime tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de
Lussac-St Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:15:19 -0500, pochas <pochas@chartermi.net> wrote:
In article <slrnbvein1.33h.The-Central-Scrutinizer@c-24-8-35-132.client.comcast.net>, TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:33:11 +0100, cyril <meyn#ie#r.cy#ril@wan#adoo.fr//virezles#> wrote:
pochas@chartermi.net (pochas), notre ami(e) à tous, qu>on aime
tellement qu>on ne l'échangerait pas contre un carton de Lussac-St
Emilion 1990 (deux cartons, je dis pas), a écrit :
Air Products has 350 miles of them.
Their are 600 milesof H2 pipelines in the US, and 900 miles in europe
(Northern France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany).
Name a single 100 mile stretch in the US. Put up or shut up.
Get lost.
Put up or shut up.
check :
http://www.afh2.org/archive/fiche_4_1_alphea.pdf
Text is in French, but the mpas show existing H2 pipe-lines.
I looked at this file.
Here is the statement by Don Lancaster that seems to have started this
brew-ha-ha:
Note that US hydrogen is ALWAYS liquified if it is to be transported
more than a hundred miles.
The PDF referenced above shows a H2 pipeline from Corpus Christi, Texas to
Three Rivers, Texas. Mapquest show the driving distance between these two
towns to be 73 miles.
There is also a shorter one outside of Houston.
So this PDF supports Don>s statement about US hydrogen.
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My reference was specifically for road transport.
There is ZERO hydrogen pipeline use for bulk energy apps.
Gaseous tube trailers are normally only used for short distances.
Strongly suggesting that compressed gaseous hydrogen is useless for
personal transport.
And a brew ha ha is simply a mixture of beer and nitrous oxide.
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Many thanks,
Don Lancaster
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
voice: (928)428-4073 email: don@tinaja.com fax 847-574-1462
Please visit my GURU>s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com |
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No One
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:16 am Post subject: Re: The case for the best fuel in the future |
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[quote]Air Products has 350 miles of them.
Their are 600 milesof H2 pipelines in the US, and 900 miles in europe
(Northern France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany).
Name a single 100 mile stretch in the US. Put up or shut up.
Get lost.
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Oooo, way to make a cite and a point. |
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