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Thomas Paterson
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 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: Synchronizing Pyros and Lighting - Architectural |
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Hi All,
We>ve just been appointed lighting consultants on a huge commercial
development which will be focus of NYE celebrations, etcetera. We
can>t discuss where this is, at this stage, but it>s left pond.
Question is this - what types of signal outputs do we need for the
lighting system (which runs year round, but with limited shows on
average days) to cue synchronized pyros and fireworks (think Sydney
Harbor Bridge or the Eifel Tower).
Are there standard signal formats, etcetera?
Thomas Paterson
http://www.luxpopuli.com |
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Adam Aglionby
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Synchronizing Pyros and Lighting - Architectural |
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On Jul 23, 3:53 pm, Thomas Paterson <t_p_pater...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Hi All,
We>ve just been appointed lighting consultants on a huge commercial
development which will be focus of NYE celebrations, etcetera. We
can>t discuss where this is, at this stage, but it>s left pond.
Question is this - what types of signal outputs do we need for the
lighting system (which runs year round, but with limited shows on
average days) to cue synchronized pyros and fireworks (think Sydney
Harbor Bridge or the Eifel Tower).
Are there standard signal formats, etcetera?
Thomas Patersonhttp://www.luxpopuli.com
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Don`t know the answer directly but couple resources that might help
http://www.controlgeek.net/
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Show-Control/
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Duncan Wood
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:27 am Post subject: Re: Synchronizing Pyros and Lighting - Architectural |
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:53:29 +0100, Thomas Paterson
<t_p_paterson@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Hi All,
We>ve just been appointed lighting consultants on a huge commercial
development which will be focus of NYE celebrations, etcetera. We
can>t discuss where this is, at this stage, but it>s left pond.
Question is this - what types of signal outputs do we need for the
lighting system (which runs year round, but with limited shows on
average days) to cue synchronized pyros and fireworks (think Sydney
Harbor Bridge or the Eifel Tower).
Are there standard signal formats, etcetera?
Thomas Paterson
http://www.luxpopuli.com
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Not for Pyro. All the interfaces (& more importantly the estop/safety
systems) are proprietary. The interfaces nearly all work down cat 5 cable
nowadays though, & the control to the pyro system still tends to be MIDI.
(If you imagine a flame organ it does sort of make sense) |
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Torrance Bell
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:51 am Post subject: Re: Synchronizing Pyros and Lighting - Architectural |
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[quote]Not for Pyro. All the interfaces (& more importantly the estop/safety
systems) are proprietary. The interfaces nearly all work down cat 5
cable nowadays though, & the control to the pyro system still tends to
be MIDI. (If you imagine a flame organ it does sort of make sense)
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I do seem to remember reading somewhere that it could be acceptable to initiate pyro from a device using a protocol on top of TCP/IP, something to do
with IP requiring packet acknowledgements......no random pyro being set off by a bad signal or loss of signal or interference or the like because it
wont go off without the packet being received, ACK>d, checksum>d, etc.
Or I could be blowing a bunch of hot gas. Don>t take my word for it, I>m not a pyro.
Torrance |
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Duncan Wood
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Synchronizing Pyros and Lighting - Architectural |
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:51:48 +0100, Torrance Bell
<starlite528@yahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.com> wrote:
[quote]Not for Pyro. All the interfaces (& more importantly the estop/safety
systems) are proprietary. The interfaces nearly all work down cat 5
cable nowadays though, & the control to the pyro system still tends to
be MIDI. (If you imagine a flame organ it does sort of make sense)
I do seem to remember reading somewhere that it could be acceptable to
initiate pyro from a device using a protocol on top of TCP/IP, something
to do with IP requiring packet acknowledgements......no random pyro
being set off by a bad signal or loss of signal or interference or the
like because it wont go off without the packet being received, ACK>d,
checksum>d, etc.
Or I could be blowing a bunch of hot gas. Don>t take my word for it,
I>m not a pyro.
Torrance
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Cue,confirm go protocol>s de rigeur on most life critical control systems.
Not that that means pyro uses it.... |
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Richard Crowley
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Synchronizing Pyros and Lighting - Architectural |
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"Thomas Paterson" wrote ...
[quote]We>ve just been appointed lighting consultants on a huge commercial
development which will be focus of NYE celebrations, etcetera. We
can>t discuss where this is, at this stage, but it>s left pond.
Question is this - what types of signal outputs do we need for the
lighting system (which runs year round, but with limited shows on
average days) to cue synchronized pyros and fireworks (think Sydney
Harbor Bridge or the Eifel Tower).
Are there standard signal formats, etcetera?
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Who are the major contractors/suppliers/producers
of pyro shows in your city/region? I>d start with them
and get 2-3 consults and/or refererrals. If they can>t
identify industry standards, at least they can tell you
what they prefer when interfacing to architectural
systems.
It just occured to me to Google and turned up...
American Pyrotechnics Association
http://www.americanpyro.com/
apparently an industry trade association.
Might be a good starting place. |
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Thomas Paterson
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:58 am Post subject: Re: Synchronizing Pyros and Lighting - Architectural |
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| Thanks everyone, all good thoughts. |
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