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John Fields
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 Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:13:43 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
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John Fields wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote:
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Nope, the top imploded, stupid.
Totally unsupported by all the photographic evidence.
Wrong, as always. You>re just using the WRONG meaning of the word imploded, stupid.
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Clearly you>ve been thoroughly beaten and now all you>re doing is
thrashing around hoping for some miracle to come along and save your
miserable ass.
I wonder if he>s ever seen a real implosion ?
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Dunno, but I>m sure he>ll claim he has.
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Sevenhundred Elves
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:30:50 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
I saw it live on TV. They collapsed vertically. Not imploded.
They imploded vertically.
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ROTFLMAO
Rod, do you work in a circus? As a clown? You could, you know. :-D
But seriously, they FELL DOWN. Vertically. In the direction of
gravity, you know. Just don>t ask me to prove to you that there is
such a thing as gravity, and that it>s always vertical, please. I>m
sure I could never convince you.
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]disgoftunwells wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Pure fantasy. Show us the plant doing anything like that.
Here you go:http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/
It>s actually 100 feet per minute, or about 1mph.(Not even 2
orders of magnitude error)
On the other hand, this isn>t a plant doing 1GW (capacity) per
year. It>s a machine.
They expect $1 / watt.
To the best of my knowledge nanosolar product has not been
independently tested and is only being sold to 'selected' customers.
At 1GW capacity per year you shouldn>t have to wait too long - I>m
pretty sure their shipping stuff.. Though I don>t think they>ll deal
direct with the public.
Though for some reason their first municipal customer is in Eastern
Germany, that well known sunny spot.
When there>s one of the shelf I can buy I>ll believe it. If they
can do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical
principles of an extraordinary order that they would have had to
overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be
oriented at a certain angle for the the thing to function.
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Nope.
[quote]How you can do that with printing baffles me.
[/quote]
Baffling you is never hard.
[quote]Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is)
which is a diffused junction device ?
[/quote]
If they>ve patented it, you should be able to look the details up there.
If they havent, its just another scam. |
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Bill Ward
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:30:24 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
[quote]
disgoftunwells wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Pure fantasy. Show us the plant doing anything like that.
Here you go:http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/
It>s actually 100 feet per minute, or about 1mph.(Not even 2 orders
of magnitude error)
On the other hand, this isn>t a plant doing 1GW (capacity) per year.
It>s a machine.
They expect $1 / watt.
To the best of my knowledge nanosolar product has not been
independently tested and is only being sold to 'selected' customers.
At 1GW capacity per year you shouldn>t have to wait too long - I>m
pretty sure their shipping stuff.. Though I don>t think they>ll deal
direct with the public.
Though for some reason their first municipal customer is in Eastern
Germany, that well known sunny spot.
When there>s one of the shelf I can buy I>ll believe it. If they can
do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical principles of
an extraordinary order that they would have had to overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be oriented at a
certain angle for the the thing to function. How you can do that with
printing baffles me.
Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is) which is a
diffused junction device ?
[/quote]
I think this is the device they>re talking about:
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy05osti/37404.pdf |
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Eeyore
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
When there>s one of the shelf I can buy I>ll believe it. If they
can do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical
principles of an extraordinary order that they would have had to
overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be
oriented at a certain angle for the the thing to function.
Nope.
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Well it certainly does for LEDS IIRC.
[quote]How you can do that with printing baffles me.
Baffling you is never hard.
Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is)
which is a diffused junction device ?
If they>ve patented it, you should be able to look the details up there.
[/quote]
I may do just that.
[quote]If they havent, its just another scam.
[/quote]
Who knows ?
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Eeyore
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:42 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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Bill Ward wrote:
[quote]Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Pure fantasy. Show us the plant doing anything like that.
Here you go:http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/
It>s actually 100 feet per minute, or about 1mph.(Not even 2 orders
of magnitude error)
On the other hand, this isn>t a plant doing 1GW (capacity) per year.
It>s a machine.
They expect $1 / watt.
To the best of my knowledge nanosolar product has not been
independently tested and is only being sold to 'selected' customers.
At 1GW capacity per year you shouldn>t have to wait too long - I>m
pretty sure their shipping stuff.. Though I don>t think they>ll deal
direct with the public.
Though for some reason their first municipal customer is in Eastern
Germany, that well known sunny spot.
When there>s one of the shelf I can buy I>ll believe it. If they can
do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical principles of
an extraordinary order that they would have had to overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be oriented at a
certain angle for the the thing to function. How you can do that with
printing baffles me.
Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is) which is a
diffused junction device ?
I think this is the device they>re talking about:
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy05osti/37404.pdf
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Thanks Bill. That document sheds some light on the matter. It looks like these
were still constructed using sputtering rather than 'printing' though.
Graham |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
disgoftunwells wrote
Eeyore wrote
When there>s one of the shelf I can buy I>ll believe it. If they can
do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical principles
of an extraordinary order that they would have had to overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be
oriented at a certain angle for the the thing to function.
Nope.
Well it certainly does for LEDS IIRC.
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Nope and leds aint PV collectors anyway.
[quote]How you can do that with printing baffles me.
Baffling you is never hard.
Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is)
which is a diffused junction device ?
If they>ve patented it, you should be able to look the details up there.
I may do just that.
If they havent, its just another scam.
Who knows ?
[/quote]
It certainly smells like a scam when you cant buy what they claim to be producing.
If it was that easy and cheap to produce PV panels, why cant you buy them from them ? |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Bill Ward wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Pure fantasy. Show us the plant doing anything like that.
Here you go:http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/
It>s actually 100 feet per minute, or about 1mph.(Not even 2
orders of magnitude error)
On the other hand, this isn>t a plant doing 1GW (capacity) per
year. It>s a machine.
They expect $1 / watt.
To the best of my knowledge nanosolar product has not been
independently tested and is only being sold to 'selected'
customers.
At 1GW capacity per year you shouldn>t have to wait too long - I>m
pretty sure their shipping stuff.. Though I don>t think they>ll
deal direct with the public.
Though for some reason their first municipal customer is in Eastern
Germany, that well known sunny spot.
When there>s one of the shelf I can buy I>ll believe it. If they
can do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical
principles of an extraordinary order that they would have had to
overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be oriented at a
certain angle for the the thing to function. How you can do that
with printing baffles me.
Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is)
which is a diffused junction device ?
I think this is the device they>re talking about:
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy05osti/37404.pdf
Thanks Bill. That document sheds some light on the matter. It looks
like these were still constructed using sputtering rather than 'printing' though.
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And you cant get anything like the 'print' rate they claim using sputtering. |
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John Fields
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:54:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Nope and leds aint PV collectors anyway.
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Really?
Connect a voltmeter across an LED, then take it outside and point it
at the sun. What does your voltmeter say?
JF |
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John Fields
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:07:41 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:54:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope and leds aint PV collectors anyway.
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Really?
Connect a voltmeter across an LED, then take it outside and point it (the LED)
at the sun. What does your voltmeter say?
JF
JF[/quote] |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:54:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope and leds aint PV collectors anyway.
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Really?
Connect a voltmeter across an LED, then take it outside and point it
at the sun. What does your voltmeter say?
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Pity about the power, fuckwit. |
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John Fields
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:30:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:54:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope and leds aint PV collectors anyway.
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Really?
Connect a voltmeter across an LED, then take it outside and point it
at the sun. What does your voltmeter say?
Pity about the power, fuckwit.
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Wow, a talking voltmeter that cusses! I>m impressed.
Power has nothing to do with: "leds aint PV collectors anyway." you
pig-ignorant churl.
JF |
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage. |
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John Fields
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:47:41 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:30:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:54:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope and leds aint PV collectors anyway.
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Really?
Connect a voltmeter across an LED, then take it outside and point it
at the sun. What does your voltmeter say?
Pity about the power, fuckwit.
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Wow, a talking voltmeter that cusses! I>m impressed.
Power has nothing to do with: "leds aint PV collectors anyway." you
pig-ignorant churl.
[/quote]
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Oh wait, I forgot,
P = IE
Do you want to argue about that?
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Rod Speed
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: Re: ZEBRA electric school bus |
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Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage. |
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