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Robert Flory wrote:
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Robert Flory wrote:

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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The latest Toyota Prius hybrid seems not to need recharging via
external means:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tech/TechSnapPrius1_5_01b.pdf

=================================================================
Why doesn>t the Prius ever need to be plugged in for recharging?
Because the car recharges its batteries primarily by using its own
gasoline engine, in addition to regenerative braking. Some of the
power from the engine is "split off" and stored in the car>s battery
pack.
=================================================================
- Franc Zabkar

It is my understanding the Honda hybrids gain mileage by charging the
batteries during deceleration, hence they get better mileage in the right
type of stop and go driving not going flat out on the highway.

Or so the people who drive the ones at work. The down side is they seem
to tear up the transmissions and wipe out the batteries. Both expensive.
Real down side ... idiots who leave the dome light on over the weekend.
Try starting a one of them with a dead battery.

Bob

Bob, I have been driving a Honda hybrid for the last 3 months... Yes, it
does use regenerative braking to recharge the battery pack. It also uses
the gas engine (which is the primary power source) to recharge the battery
pack whenever the power load allows it (coasting down a hill, etc), and it
has a feature that shuts off the gas engine when you are sitting at a
stoplight, then restarts it as soon as you remove foot from brake.

My drive to work is 56 miles each way. About a third is country road,
about half is freeway (65 to 75mph), and a few miles of city driving at
the end. I have also driven it from Omaha to Denver twice, getting about
40 mpg westbound (uphill) and 46 mpg eastbound (downhill). No problems
with the transmission or battery, even on my side trips up into the Estes
Park area. The Honda engineers have created a very nice powertrain that
pulls up those hills like it had a V-8, and still got > 30 mpg doing it...

Toyotas are optimized for the city driving, with the gas engine only
kicking in to supplement the batteries as needed. Hondas are optimized
for highway, with the gas engine as primary and the battery pack
supplementing as needed. The big advantage of that system (for me anyway)
is that should I have a problem with the car>s battery pack, I can still
drive the 150 miles to the nearest Honda dealership instead of sitting by
the side of the road...

Jim

Ahh, the dealer says we drive too much city traffic. makes sense.

We>ve blow the transmissions if both Hondas, one twice and found both dead
in the water on a Monday morning. We>ve had to get them towed once each.
Replaced batteries in each too. Of course it could be the pack of "kids"
that drive them. They>ll run the brakes to metal on metal before they say
anything. The group of geologists I work with drive pickups. They destroy
them in pretty short order too, but I>ve got kids older than any of them
including the boss too.

Bob

[/quote]
Sounds like the "kids" need to start supplying their own transportation,
then maybe they>ll learn about taking care of 'em... Of course, the
techs at work are kinda hard on their gov>t vehicles too, but they at
least *try* to keep them in proper shape...

My sister>s had Honda>s for years and had no problems at all. She>s
thinking about jumping up to the hybrid too, with gas prices in Seattle....

Jim

Robert Flory · Guest

"J. F. Cornwall" <JCornwall@cox.net> wrote in message
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[quote]
Sounds like the "kids" need to start supplying their own transportation,
then maybe they>ll learn about taking care of 'em... Of course, the
techs at work are kinda hard on their gov>t vehicles too, but they at
least *try* to keep them in proper shape...

My sister>s had Honda>s for years and had no problems at all. She>s
thinking about jumping up to the hybrid too, with gas prices in
Seattle....

Jim
[/quote]
They will be driving their own vehicles, the decision has been made not to
get any more vehicles for the Phase I Dept. I like Hondas, I helped drive
the wheels off a Honda (Civic) my folks passed down to me when I was between
the oil patch the current remediation services work, .... at 230,000 miles.
Of course my geo-kids can bang up a truck backing out of the garage.

Of course the kids driving their own cars presents a problem too, most of
them live in the City (San Francisco) and have to commute out from SF to the
East bay when they have to visit a site. Really drives them nuts, the
ecologic cost and all. They prefer BART. They want to be GREEN. Of course
an old foggy like me who used to drive hundred of miles a day in a 3/4 ton
truck, I live 2 miles from the office and car pool to work.

I miss my truck but when I need one and the kids have all ours checked out,
I rent one. What I need is a reasonably priced electric car that could be
charged off peak at night.

Bob

Belba Grubb · Guest

Are there any other volcano tourists watching Kilauea? If so, any
thoughts on what is apparently steam coming from multiple sites on the
exterior crater wall, outside the crater, in the foreground? I hadn>t
noticed that before. In the crater, over on the far right (source
obscured by the angle of camera view), I thought that white cloud was
just blow-back of some sort from the main plume (which is going great
guns just now). However, it does seem to have some sort of an activity
of its own.

It looks like rainy weather there, though, and perhaps this is the
effect of water falling on hot rock. But it>s interesting.

Barb
---------
Las montañas,
siempre las montañas.
El lago del recuerdo,
que hubo,
que ya no hay.
Los volcanes al oriente,
los volcanes siempre.
Los volcanes al oriente,
la punta de nieve
ya blanca, ya breve.
-- From "RECONCILIACIÓN" at
http://www.periodicodepoesia.unam.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=469&Itemid=82

Jo Schaper · Guest

I think it>s about 60 miles by road from here to Winfield-- about 45
miles as the crow flies. If you take your Missouri map, and look way
east in St. Charles County between the Missouri River and the
Mississippi, (on what is called the Missouri Point) you will see a tiny
town called West Alton. You will also see Federal Lock and Dam 26. My
great grandparents farmed out Red School Road between town and the Mel
Price Lock and Dam...some of their land was purchased for the Riverlands
Demo (wetlands) restoration.

They fought the Mississippi and the Missouri both, depending on which
was in flood. Two years they raised corn and soybeans, and the third
year, catfish. When my grandma was 17, she got married, moved to St.
Louis on the high south St. Louis bluffs, and never looked back.
(Ok, she did help her parents clean up after floods until they passed
away, and my dad "went to the country" as a small boy, but there was
never a second thought about ever moving out of the city.)

Belba Grubb wrote:
[quote]Jo, I don>t know if you>re near the Pin Oak Levee, but if so, stay
dry.

Barb
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-AanPHMbC4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SrNc7ueMDA (the original, based on the
1927 floods)[/quote]

BradGuth · Guest

On Jun 21, 9:22 pm, windbag <jaunty.akhena...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]jonathan wrote:
"Pat Flannery" <flan...@daktel.com> wrote in message
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George wrote:

NASA said today that the hole is directly beneath a thruster, and so is
probably the result of a thruster firing when the craft landed. They also
said that that might indicate that the slab is ice.

Or dry ice... I took a Bernz-O-Matic torch to water ice with very poor results
indeed, and the total time of the landing engine>s impinging on the Martian
surface would be be very low, measured in a few seconds at most.

I was wondering about that. But I think they>re going to find the white
slabs and material in the trench is indeed water ice. That area has
observations from the Odyssey orbiter showing from 30% to 60%
water ice in the first meter or so. Even in the first few inches.

The poles are all covered with Co2 ice, but on the fringes surrounding
the poles is a region of water ice. Which is where they landed.
So I think that>s a slab of water ice with naturally bored holes.

The data supports a ...currently active...water cycle on Mars in
these areas. Which is what life needs. I believe the best conditions
for life would be where water transitions from water-ice-vapor
and back again. Not so much in any one of those realms, but where
the transition takes place. This landing site is looking better every
day. I>m getting psyched up!

Water Mass Map from Neutron Spectrometer
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/multimedia/6433-20080513.html

ASU scientist finds Martian ice is patchy and variable

"The fact that ice is present near the depth of stability in the current
Martian climate shows that the ground ice is responding to
climate cycles," he says." "This implies that water ice in the ground
can swap places with water vapor in the atmosphere as the climate
changes, he says, adding:
"The THEMIS measurements support an active water cycle on Mars,
such as other research has predicted."
http://asunews.asu.edu/stories/200705/20070503_marsice.htm

It really didn>t help that it took so long to get the soil sample into the
test chamber - any CO2 or water ice in it might have sublimated into the
atmosphere between the time it was scooped up and the time it finally got into
the test chamber days later.
Ideally, the soil sample goes into the test chamber within a few minutes after
the arm scoops it up, to preserve any volatile ices in it.
I still have grave doubts about it finding water ice, but would happily admit
to being wrong about this if firm proof of water ice is found, because of the
profound implications of such a finding.

Here>s a really nice paper on the presumed history of water ice at
the Phoenix Mars landing site. Aptly named....

THE HISTORY OF ICE AT THE PHOENIX MARS
LANDING SITE
Lunar and Planetary Science XXXIX (2008) 1479

What>s interesting is this statement below is about the age
of the ice.

"It is not reliably known when the last massive ice sheet
formed [14, 5, 6] or how humidity varies with time. In total,
four climate scenarios are simulated: Precipitation 5640 ka
ago and 632 ka ago (the most recent obliquity maximum with
~35 d) with constant humidity and time ï¿½varying humidity.
Figure 3 shows preliminary model results for the vertical
ice profile, if the last ice sheet formed 632 ka ago. The massive
ice sheet is much closer to the surface than it would be had
it last formed millions of years ago."
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/1479.pdf

Not so old as we>ve been led to believe all this time.
Nearer the surface means younger. And if that is ice
they>ve photographed so close to the surface....it must
be very young. Since the soil is thought to build from
dust accumulation from the air.

Since other data indicates Mars is just now exiting
an ice age and warming, it may be the last warm
period with liquid water near the surface could have
have been that figure of 630,000 years ago.

Not billions, maybe not even millions of years ago.
And another thing, it>s pretty clear from the much
greater lag deposit at the Phoenix site that it>s a much
older surface than at Meridiani, which is pure soil
with hardly a rock to be found. That implies water
ice could have been at Meridiani even more recently.

I>m going with ...all the white stuff... is water ice.

Pat

Under what conditions does carbonated salt water stay frozen?

Also, frozen hydrogen peroxide is not entirely impossible.

kk
[/quote]
Why no mass spectrometer readings?

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

snippythebushmohel · Guest

"J. F. Cornwall" <JCornwall@cox.net> wrote in message news:W4s9k.8682$F97.1888@newsfe18.lga...
[quote]Robert Flory wrote:

Sounds like the "kids" need to start supplying their own transportation, then maybe they>ll learn about taking care
of 'em... Of course, the techs at work are kinda hard on their gov>t vehicles too, but they at least *try* to keep
them in proper shape...

My sister>s had Honda>s for years and had no problems at all. She>s thinking about jumping up to the hybrid too,
with gas prices in Seattle....
[/quote]
Would depend on the differential, price , assumed future price ,
assumed extra mileage, difference in mechanical running cost, future
and current legislated encouragement for hybrids and against conventional.

What is the depreciation on a new hybrid compared to an old
banger bought cheap?
How does that factor into ,
assuming for now $70 to fill x 52 $3,640 a year for fuel
(oz price) and $14,000 for a new small conventional.

Motorbikes and mopeds would be far cheaper , if fuel cost was the only factor.

Given that the fuel cost per hour is about $10 in city,
registration insurance and other running costs about the same,
$20 an hour to run. The car moves a person costing $60 to
employ to do a $150 an hour job. For private use it
depends what price you put on your time.

Walking would save fuel, saving 25c a km, by paying someone
$1,$5,$12 per km to walk.

Private feels the fuel pinch but has great leeway to modify use,
business should be looking at the relative cost.

I>ve seen 12 would be wars of immediate local concern,
7 price spikes, 9 economic collapses
each with their share of doomsayers.
All worked through.
Basically, don>t panic :-) it is just another blip. There will be more, possibly worse,
save the adrenaline for the really panicworthy moments.

MANFRED the heat seeking · Guest

Mr Obama could "kiss my ass" in return for support
-- Bill Clinton>08

Screw 'em, You don>t owe them a thing, Bill.
-- Hillary>95.

The Clinton undead;
they>re NOT dead, they>re just RESTING!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VHQS5q6je0
If only we could read her mind.

Nicolas Krebs · Guest

Carole wrote in news:O9P7k.13935$IK1.1589@news-server.bigpond.net.au

[quote]http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/supressed_inventions/suppressed_inventions00.htm
[/quote]
See Rudis Muiznieks, "Brain On, Brain Off", Cectic, 163,
http://cectic.com/163.html http://cectic.com/comics/163.png

J. F. Cornwall · Guest

snippythebushmohel wrote:
[quote]"J. F. Cornwall" <JCornwall@cox.net> wrote in message news:W4s9k.8682$F97.1888@newsfe18.lga...

Robert Flory wrote:

Sounds like the "kids" need to start supplying their own transportation, then maybe they>ll learn about taking care
of 'em... Of course, the techs at work are kinda hard on their gov>t vehicles too, but they at least *try* to keep
them in proper shape...

My sister>s had Honda>s for years and had no problems at all. She>s thinking about jumping up to the hybrid too,
with gas prices in Seattle....

Would depend on the differential, price , assumed future price ,
assumed extra mileage, difference in mechanical running cost, future
and current legislated encouragement for hybrids and against conventional.

What is the depreciation on a new hybrid compared to an old
banger bought cheap?
How does that factor into ,
assuming for now $70 to fill x 52 $3,640 a year for fuel
(oz price) and $14,000 for a new small conventional.

Motorbikes and mopeds would be far cheaper , if fuel cost was the only factor.

Given that the fuel cost per hour is about $10 in city,
registration insurance and other running costs about the same,
$20 an hour to run. The car moves a person costing $60 to
employ to do a $150 an hour job. For private use it
depends what price you put on your time.

Walking would save fuel, saving 25c a km, by paying someone
$1,$5,$12 per km to walk.

Private feels the fuel pinch but has great leeway to modify use,
business should be looking at the relative cost.

I>ve seen 12 would be wars of immediate local concern,
7 price spikes, 9 economic collapses
each with their share of doomsayers.
All worked through.
Basically, don>t panic :-) it is just another blip. There will be more, possibly worse,
save the adrenaline for the really panicworthy moments.

[/quote]
I bought it without doing all those calculations, because I am *not*
going to be dependent on an "old banger bought cheap" - my daily commute
is 112 miles, there is no public transportation covering that span, and
a good portion of the distance is between cities. And, I have Midwest
winters to consider. My sister bought her Hondas because she likes them
and they get good mileage and they>re dependable.

Jim

snippythebushmohel · Guest

"J. F. Cornwall" <JCornwall@cox.net> wrote in message news:YJN9k.2703$oY2.2519@newsfe21.lga...
[quote]snippythebushmohel wrote:
"J. F. Cornwall" <JCornwall@cox.net> wrote in message news:W4s9k.8682$F97.1888@newsfe18.lga...

Robert Flory wrote:

Sounds like the "kids" need to start supplying their own transportation, then maybe they>ll learn about taking care
of 'em... Of course, the techs at work are kinda hard on their gov>t vehicles too, but they at least *try* to keep
them in proper shape...

My sister>s had Honda>s for years and had no problems at all. She>s thinking about jumping up to the hybrid too,
with gas prices in Seattle....

Would depend on the differential, price , assumed future price ,
assumed extra mileage, difference in mechanical running cost, future
and current legislated encouragement for hybrids and against conventional.

What is the depreciation on a new hybrid compared to an old
banger bought cheap?
How does that factor into ,
assuming for now $70 to fill x 52 $3,640 a year for fuel
(oz price) and $14,000 for a new small conventional.

Motorbikes and mopeds would be far cheaper , if fuel cost was the only factor.

Given that the fuel cost per hour is about $10 in city,
registration insurance and other running costs about the same,
$20 an hour to run. The car moves a person costing $60 to
employ to do a $150 an hour job. For private use it
depends what price you put on your time.

Walking would save fuel, saving 25c a km, by paying someone
$1,$5,$12 per km to walk.

Private feels the fuel pinch but has great leeway to modify use,
business should be looking at the relative cost.

I>ve seen 12 would be wars of immediate local concern,
7 price spikes, 9 economic collapses
each with their share of doomsayers.
All worked through.
Basically, don>t panic :-) it is just another blip. There will be more, possibly worse,
save the adrenaline for the really panicworthy moments.

I bought it without doing all those calculations, because I am *not* going to be dependent on an "old banger bought
cheap" - my daily commute is 112 miles, there is no public transportation covering that span, and a good portion of
the distance is between cities. And, I have Midwest winters to consider. My sister bought her Hondas because she
likes them and they get good mileage and they>re dependable.
[/quote]
So fuel remains a minor consideration. In all but a few situations it will
continue to be because the price you pay is what value it delivers to you.

J. F. Cornwall · Guest

snippythebushmohel wrote:
[quote]"J. F. Cornwall" <JCornwall@cox.net> wrote in message news:YJN9k.2703$oY2.2519@newsfe21.lga...

snippythebushmohel wrote:

"J. F. Cornwall" <JCornwall@cox.net> wrote in message news:W4s9k.8682$F97.1888@newsfe18.lga...

Robert Flory wrote:

Sounds like the "kids" need to start supplying their own transportation, then maybe they>ll learn about taking care
of 'em... Of course, the techs at work are kinda hard on their gov>t vehicles too, but they at least *try* to keep
them in proper shape...

My sister>s had Honda>s for years and had no problems at all. She>s thinking about jumping up to the hybrid too,
with gas prices in Seattle....

Would depend on the differential, price , assumed future price ,
assumed extra mileage, difference in mechanical running cost, future
and current legislated encouragement for hybrids and against conventional.

What is the depreciation on a new hybrid compared to an old
banger bought cheap?
How does that factor into ,
assuming for now $70 to fill x 52 $3,640 a year for fuel
(oz price) and $14,000 for a new small conventional.

Motorbikes and mopeds would be far cheaper , if fuel cost was the only factor.

Given that the fuel cost per hour is about $10 in city,
registration insurance and other running costs about the same,
$20 an hour to run. The car moves a person costing $60 to
employ to do a $150 an hour job. For private use it
depends what price you put on your time.

Walking would save fuel, saving 25c a km, by paying someone
$1,$5,$12 per km to walk.

Private feels the fuel pinch but has great leeway to modify use,
business should be looking at the relative cost.

I>ve seen 12 would be wars of immediate local concern,
7 price spikes, 9 economic collapses
each with their share of doomsayers.
All worked through.
Basically, don>t panic :-) it is just another blip. There will be more, possibly worse,
save the adrenaline for the really panicworthy moments.

I bought it without doing all those calculations, because I am *not* going to be dependent on an "old banger bought
cheap" - my daily commute is 112 miles, there is no public transportation covering that span, and a good portion of
the distance is between cities. And, I have Midwest winters to consider. My sister bought her Hondas because she
likes them and they get good mileage and they>re dependable.

So fuel remains a minor consideration. In all but a few situations it will
continue to be because the price you pay is what value it delivers to you.

[/quote]
Fuel is a significant factor, actually, though it>s certainly not the
only one. I have to keep the drive if I wish to maintain both my job
and my marriage. The Honda>s mileage is enough greater than my previous
car (low 40s vs 27) that it>s worthwhile *to me*. And, while the
overall cost of the car may be higher than the old one, it>s in a fixed
monthly payment and not in the form of a fluctuating and unpredictable
gas bill.

Jim

cmdr buzz corey · Guest

On Jun 29, 4:27 am, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
[quote]On 29 juin, 07:31,cmdr buzz corey<cmdr-buzz-co...@mailcity.com
wrote:> blues...@hotmail.com wrote:

but also the unknown universe."

If it is unknown, then how do you know it>s out there?-

You completely missed the point Mate !
The point is to prevent you & other blokes to become addicted to
sleeping pills... you toss with the Plank, Bubble, Abbé Lemaire etc
and other relatiivity crap a few minutes before going to bed, and it
will make you snooze for the rest of the night

Thank you for that Plank to a sound & restful sleep without side
effect indeed

Bye jpturcaud
[/quote]
Obviously a bit of tongue in cheek passes right over you.

Guest

On 30 juin, 06:46, cmdr buzz corey <cmdr-buzz-co...@mailcity.com>
wrote:
[quote]On Jun 29, 4:27 am, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:

On 29 juin, 07:31,cmdr buzz corey<cmdr-buzz-co...@mailcity.com
wrote:> blues...@hotmail.com wrote:

but also the unknown universe."

If it is unknown, then how do you know it>s out there?-

You completely missed the point Mate !
The point is to prevent you & other blokes to become addicted to
sleeping pills... you toss with the Plank, Bubble, Abbé Lemaire etc
and other relatiivity crap a few minutes before going to bed, and it
will make you snooze for the rest of the night

Thank you for that Plank to a sound & restful sleep without side
effect indeed

Bye jpturcaud

Obviously a bit of tongue in cheek passes right over you.-
[/quote]
No tongue in cheek, just bare remedy against insomny !

Bob Hawke · Guest

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... just for the sake of clarity, I am writing my answer again for
that australian Manure at large

You would not know clarity if it bit you on your enema arse, you fraud.

[/quote]
Poor old Le-Turd - He>s on a BENDER again !!

A few brain cells must have had a collission in that big empty cavity of his
and all he can come up with is a tiraide of demented shit !

Poor old Horus and Titi must be lonely - Le-Turd. You had better go down to
the bottom of your garden and have a good talk to them.

Don>t forget to have a word or two to those nasty little fairies at the same
time.


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