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 Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Delayed reaction to the Fed rate cut? Why? |
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"oriel36" <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Your thinking is typical of the vacuousness of this era,unable to look
back or forward to lessons learned and all too willing to conjure up
whatever story is needed to reach whatever conclusion is required,what
many here believe is something new is really just something that
occurs when a society gets jaded,in this case Western consumerist
agenda.
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Jaded? It>s a bubble bursting, that>s all. And it should be noted that
most bubbles burst as a result of too much of a good thing.
Growing too fast in this case. Rach time the system learns from
it>s mistakes to some extent.
[quote]"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and
causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have
been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and
the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by
working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is
aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed."
Abraham Lincoln
[/quote]
The internet is doing just the opposite, bringing more and more
people into the market, into wealth and in charge. What the
recent crash shows is that the people are taking over. As
the chart dynamics clearly show the little guys panicked first.
With the big guys being forced out last.
There are only two ways a system approaches the brink of disaster.
And it depends on which camp is panicking and causing the
drop in price. When the big guys or insiders panic sell first, then
the system will almost always go belly up. When the little guys
panic first, the system will almost always bounce back some
half the total loss and pretty quickly.
I can be confident in my predictions since I know these two patterns
very well, they are established and have clear tendencies.
Nothing sinister or unnatural about it. In fact it shows the little
guys have at last acquired a roughly equal weight with the
institutions and such.
It is a new day. One with a very happy ending.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Delayed reaction to the Fed rate cut? Why? |
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On Nov 3, 2:55 am, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]You sound a bit too PollyAnna jonathan.
jonathan wrote:
"oriel36" <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jaded? It>s a bubble bursting, that>s all. And it should be noted that
most bubbles burst as a result of too much of a good thing.
Growing too fast in this case. Rach time the system learns from
it>s mistakes to some extent.
[/quote]
.... interesting comments to Jonathan 's input from our Elder Oriel36.
What Oriel36 sees clearly, is a poker gamble going on not based on the
real goods but on the blood of economy :Money. The real dividends from
companies once the yearly balance sheet is computed are addressing the
real goods, but the everyday play on the supposed value those very
companies could be worth.is a sick game, in which there is NO
difference between the big and small guys, just as in Vegas ... They
are all equally trying to get it big, quick and free, and equally
fucked up in the head.
Further still the real goods at the basis of the business don>t matter
a bit, be it hand grenades, addictive drugs of the Quack Industry,
chemical fertilizers, pesticide etc So what is happening was
predictable.
By the way Jonathan you have no right to speak about the Holy Grail.
This is senseless in that form & cannot be translated from the old
French 'San Graal' .
.... and 'San Graal' is NOT the Holy Grail |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re: TRUE GEOLOGY BULLSHIT vs KOSHER GEOLOGY |
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"Greatest Mining Fraud of all Times" <
Turcaud_Rubber_Room@Sainte_Anne_asylum.fr > wrote in message
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Here below is a kind forward of answer on another thread
<crap deleted>
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Spam to dozens of news groups you mean.
Sad embarrassment to France
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Discoverer of low grade copper ore
Founder and sole member of the True Geology
Inventor of UPL - Useless Pontificating Lunatic
DDD - Demented Delusional Drongo
Insane Celtic Lunatic
Psychotic French Spamming Twit
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Failed Drought Maker/weather controller
Fraud water expert
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jonathan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Delayed reaction to the Fed rate cut? Why? |
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"raylopez99" <raylopez99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[quote]You sound a bit too PollyAnna jonathan.
jonathan wrote:
"oriel36" <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jaded? It>s a bubble bursting, that>s all. And it should be noted that
most bubbles burst as a result of too much of a good thing.
Growing too fast in this case. Rach time the system learns from
it>s mistakes to some extent.
Bubble bursting that nobody saw coming?
[/quote]
I saw it coming when the market was still at 10,300. Which was when
I first recognized the pattern.
http://www.prophet.net/default.jsp
The next day the panic began and Dow dropped 800 points. And at that
point I predicted the bottoms would be 8500 and 1700 in the Dow
and Nasdaq. Looking back both those were very good calls.
On Friday Oct 3, the day before the panic began in earnest I wrote.....
(yes I>m bragging)
........................................
"This is a typical panic-sell situation due to the massive
system wide uncertainty concerning mortgage debt.
The cliché "buy on the rumor, sell on the news"
most certainly applies I believe.
The 'news' in this particular panic is the rescue bill.
Which was just signed, making the next few weeks a sure
sell-off, and big time imho.
People will look around the next week or so asking ...
"is it over, are we saved?"
"No, not really, nothing much has changed!"
Might be the reply.
And like a shotgun blast to a flock of birds, the panic-sell
will resume, ....and with a fervor not yet seen.
This kind of panic sells always have a false bottom
around half way down. For the Dow it was just above
11,000, and the Nasdaq at around 2200.
The bottom will be around 8500 for the Dow, and
around 1700 for the Nasdaq ...imho.
I aint getting back in till then. "
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.invest.stocks/browse_thread/thread/2b4730963cc1f09e/4606bf0bc5cb0330?lnk=st&q=#4606bf0bc5cb0330
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[quote]And if they saw it coming,
why did the 'protection' via derivative contracts fail?
[/quote]
Well, with such a large fall, who says the contracts will be
honored if they>re going belly up too? Not too many highly
margined positions can stand a sudden 20% plus drop.
Panics set off all kinds of stop losses and margin calls, far too
many unintended consequences to count. But it>s the
uncertainty driven panic that>s the fault. Uncertainty
is the fault, not any one company. Once the uncertainty
reaches a certain level, almost anything can set off
the panic. Just about anything, and the first to step
up is the one that falls the hardest.
[quote]Why did AIG
fail (which sophisticated parties like Merrill Lynch and Goldman Sachs
relied upon).
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Aig? Well that>s easy to see why it failed. It has two qualities that
stand out and make it the biggest target. It>s huge size and huge level
of leverage, some 10 to 1.
There are two ways panics occur in general. If the large scale money
walks first, the smaller investors follow later and you have a complete
collapse as with Aig, Enron or Worldcom.
But when there>s a rumor or too much uncertainty for an outsider, the
small scale money goes first. The large scale money, or insiders, stay
since they know if the rumor is true or not, they know more. So they
buy up stock at bargain prices and the price bounces back somewhat.
And the fall is just short of 50%... like clockwork. And the total fall
reflects the level of problems for the ticker. The Dow dropped really
only 35% since May, which is when the current pattern started.
The selling started in May.
The day traders love the volatility that occurs when such a huge ticker
like Aig is pulled low like that. For instance, if you>d bought AIG a week
ago, your money would>ve almost doubled by today. That>s what they
go for, the volatility, and at a huge scale so everyone can join it.
And if you look at the chart of Aig for the last 20 days, you>ll see the
very same outsider panic pattern that the Dow displayed. A 50% fall
in two steps, first a small one, then a pause followed by a much steeper
second fall for a total of about 50% drop. Aig has done that three times
since the crash. Wait for a 50% or so fall with a spike in volume and
buy, hold for a couple of days....reliable as rain...during the volatility
around a panic that is.
http://www.prophet.net/quotes/quotePopup.jsp?symbol=AIG&colorscheme=home&duration=20d&frequency=i5
[quote]
The internet is doing just the opposite, bringing more and more
people into the market, into wealth and in charge.
This is just a function of population growth. Arguably the telephone
did more.
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No no no...the internet has changed everything. Soon, half the people
in China will be day trading off their cell phones. The online traders
have increased by orders of magnitudes in just a few years.
And wait until all the video gamers grow up~
Pattern recognition and system dynamics, not specifics, will
rule the day before long.
[quote]
It is a new day. One with a very happy ending.
What drug are you on? We want some too.
[/quote]
Well, since the fall I>ve played three stocks.
And mentioned all three in this ng.
First pl, look at the two nice 50% ish drops
and the resulting bounces.
http://www.prophet.net/quotes/quotePopup.jsp?symbol=pl&colorscheme=home&duration=20d&frequency=i5
Then ticker din, look at the 50% fall from $12, and the
spectacular bounce, which I mostly missed~
http://www.prophet.net/quotes/quotePopup.jsp?symbol=din&colorscheme=home&duration=20d&frequency=i5
Then ticker ego, chart speaks for itself
http://www.prophet.net/quotes/quotePopup.jsp?symbol=ego&colorscheme=home&duration=20d&frequency=i5
And I>m currently watching ticker hil for a good entry point maybe
tomorrow.
http://www.prophet.net/quotes/quotePopup.jsp?symbol=HIL&colorscheme=home&duration=20d&frequency=i5
I>ve been milking this pattern for a couple of years.
"It>s my bag, baby....yeah!"
Now that the Dow and Nasdaq have showed this
pattern to the entire world, I figure there>s no sense
in trying to keep it myself anymore.
Dow six month chart
http://www.prophet.net/quotes/quotePopup.jsp?symbol=%24INDU&colorscheme=home&duration=6m&frequency=0
Nasdaq six month chart
http://www.prophet.net/quotes/quotePopup.jsp?symbol=%24COMPQ&colorscheme=home&duration=6m&frequency=0
jonathan
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: Re: MURRAY RIVER NEVER TO RUN AGAIN ... BY ORDER § ! |
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On Nov 5, 11:43 am, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
*> ... and we can already see such Order being enforced with the
Lower
*> Lakes opened to rising South Seas this very year !
*> Excellent news all the more since a dozen more Desal plants will
have
*> to be built to compensate the petering out of both Heaven & Earth
*> water resources which I have required. May be the Mining
Criminals
&
*> their Political accomplices will enjoy that ?
*>
*> I am satisfied the progression of the Collective Chastiment is
going
*> ahead as well as possible in the Land of Bastards, Australia, and
I
am
*> indeed monitoring & controlling all things from here ! More &
more
*> rain brought in France at the present time too & upon my command,
to
*> prevent any falling in the LOB indeed... a bit annoying at time
but
I
*> have to put up with it so as to achieve best results
*>
*> Good !
*>
*> "Je commande et la Nature obeit à ma voix"
*> Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
*> Australia Mining Pioneer
with recent confirmation by Garnault himself as written in the "The
australian" Rag
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24546508-11949,00....
Please read on, since it is most interesting to follow the Collective
Chastiment being implemented by our Almighty & Loving Celtic Pagan
God
upon a Nation of Heinous Bastards. They are squealing & whining now
but this is only thing they can do, since unable to recognize their
Collective Crimes & the right application hence of Eternal Cosmic
Laws
of Justice
HONOR & GRATEFUL THANKS TO OUR CELTIC GOD
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer of Telfer Mine ( Australia largest Copper & Gold MIne)
Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert
Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
33 6 50 17 14 64
Founder of the True Geology
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~
for background info.
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/nac.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm
True Geology Foundation document :
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: TRUE GEOLOGY vs KOSHER GEOLOGY |
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On Nov 8, 6:16 pm, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
[quote]The Lord of the Shithouse must be too some Lony Tang veteran, just as
Sunny ze rat !
australia is very proud of such shit they call Heroes indeed....
frauds, liars & criminals !
That>s the standard in the Land of Bastards ... fortunately the DDD
is going ahead "non obstant" and bringing the whole Japanese
surredndering Toadland to its knees* ! Good !
*as " The australian" Rag confirms it indeed
[/quote]
Go f ck yourself fraud. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: Re: MURRAY RIVER NEVER TO RUN AGAIN ... BY ORDER § ! |
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On Nov 8, 9:16 am, "Bob "Shithead" Hawke" <bobha...@bigpond.com>
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THE MURRAY NEVER TO RUN AGAIN AS PER MY COMMAND ...
ORDER !
.... and I note that some australian rats are already moving their rice
paddies to the North East ....but to no avail indeed
I have just know required a shift in the regime of rain of that
australia Toadland, so that precipitation should fall into the sea,
or into the Papua Abos land to irrigate their forests .
By my command all the Heaven & Earth water resources are locked in the
whole Land of Bastards australia, so that the Murray Darling Dust Bowl
becomes integral part of the Great Sandy Desert ....as well of course
as the rest of that Shitland & Hell on Earth indeed !
.... including the Avon, the De Gray, Carnarvon & all rivers of the
West seaboard
ORDER !
POUR LE ROYAL KHRANFAUSS DE L' OUED RIR, DES SAHARAS, TASSILI &
HOGGAR
Et PAR SON GESTE
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Founder of the True Geology |
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Carole
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: MURRAY RIVER NEVER TO RUN AGAIN ... BY ORDER § ! |
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<sir.jean-paul.turcaud@neuf.fr> wrote in message
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On Nov 8, 9:16 am, "Bob "Shithead" Hawke" <bobha...@bigpond.com>
wrote:
Poop!
We are sick of hearing this tired old crap.
The world is a stuffed enough place without having to read this boring
tripe.
People would like some real insights ...if you haven>t got any, then give it
a break.
carole
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:16 am Post subject: Re: MURRAY RIVER NEVER TO RUN AGAIN ... BY ORDER § ! |
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FINALLY I DECLARE OPEN THE MEGAFIRES SEASON !
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer of Telfer Mine ( Australia largest Copper & Gold MIne)
Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert
Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
Mobile + 33 6 50 17 14 64
Office + 33 5 16 19 14 21
Founder of the True Geology
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~
for background info.
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
ttp://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/nac.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm
True Geology Foundation document :
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69327 |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: Re: MURRAY RIVER NEVER TO RUN AGAIN ... BY ORDER § ! |
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On Nov 10, 4:16 am, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
[quote]FINALLY I DECLARE OPEN THE MEGAFIRES SEASON !
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer of Telfer Mine ( Australia largest Copper & Gold MIne)
Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert
Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
Mobile + 33 6 50 17 14 64
Office + 33 5 16 19 14 21
Founder of the True Geology
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~
for background info.http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.htmlhttp://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
ttp://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/nac.htmlhttp://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htmhttp://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm
True Geology Foundation document :http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69327
[/quote]
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: Re: MURRAY RIVER NEVER TO RUN AGAIN ... BY ORDER ! |
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Carole wrote:
[quote]Poop!
[/quote]
One man>s poop is another man>s caramel merangue pudding.
[quote]We are sick of hearing this tired old crap.
The world is a stuffed enough place without having to read this
boring tripe. People would like some real insights ...if you haven>t
got any, then give it a break.
[/quote]
Is it time to drag out the tired old Hollow Earth/Admiral
BirdBrain/Tesla fairy tales yet again?
Please invent some new conspiracy theories.
Eduard |
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Moses Lim
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: Re: MURRAY RIVER NEVER TO RUN AGAIN ... BY ORDER ! |
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Eduard Groenstein wrote:
[quote]Carole wrote:
Poop!
One man>s poop is another man>s caramel merangue pudding.
We are sick of hearing this tired old crap.
The world is a stuffed enough place without having to read this
boring tripe. People would like some real insights ...if you haven>t
got any, then give it a break.
Is it time to drag out the tired old Hollow Earth/Admiral
BirdBrain/Tesla fairy tales yet again?
[/quote]
Tesla fairy tales? Please do tell :) It>s been a slow start to the week here
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: MURRAY RIVER NEVER TO RUN AGAIN ... BY ORDER § ! |
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<jpturcaud@neuf.fr> wrote in message
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[quote]
FINALLY I DECLARE OPEN THE MEGAFIRES SEASON !
Like 12 months ago ?[/quote]
14 Oct 07 (Turd speak) ;
"The 37th year Celebrations of the 14th of October 1970 will go ahead
then as planned with Mega Fireworks all around the LoB, whole tracks
of the Bastards' abode being gutted down into oblivion, all dams
going down to mud caked level so that the scarce water resources of
such heinous & abject country going to be evaporated by order.
jpturcaud"
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: Re: MURRAY RIVER NEVER TO RUN AGAIN ... BY ORDER § ! |
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On Nov 8, 6:55 pm, sir.jean-paul.turc...@neuf.fr wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 11:43 am, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
*> ... and we can already see such Order being enforced with the
Lower
*> Lakes opened to rising South Seas this very year !
*> Excellent news all the more since a dozen more Desal plants will
have
*> to be built to compensate the petering out of both Heaven & Earth
*> water resources which I have required. May be the Mining
Criminals
&
*> their Political accomplices will enjoy that ?
*
*> I am satisfied the progrdocument :http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69327
[/quote]
"Not misleading Kanga, but warning people well in advance of what
lies
ahead !!! "
You fuckwit...you want us to die....and yet you>re "warning" us ?
Turdville...please go f ck yourself , even on this day when
Australian
diggers went to war to save your stinking arse.
Have you no shame.....of course not ! You collected $25 Grand and yet
you still bleed like a stinking french cunt.
May your celtic god bless you . CUNT.
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don findlay
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: Re: Who is the Great Celtic God? |
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Who? Billy Connolly.
Who else? |
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