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John Jones
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 Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:58 am Post subject: 'Step', and 'Event'. A distinction. |
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Logical, computer and mechanical operations are not comprised of STEPS.
Steps refer to a task or argument. Rather, such operations are comprised
of discrete, independent, isolated EVENTS. Each event is both a new
start and a finish, with no powers of task representation. It is down to
the operator to read into a multitude of inherently directionless fixed,
logical or mathematical events such things as tasks, steps, inferences
and conclusions. |
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LudovicoVan
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: 'Step', and 'Event'. A distinction. |
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On 12 Oct, 22:58, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]Logical, computer and mechanical operations are not comprised of STEPS.
Steps refer to a task or argument. Rather, such operations are comprised
of discrete, independent, isolated EVENTS. Each event is both a new
start and a finish, with no powers of task representation. It is down to
the operator to read into a multitude of inherently directionless fixed,
logical or mathematical events such things as tasks, steps, inferences
and conclusions.
[/quote]
So, isn>t there any difference between:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 LET a = a + 1
40 PRINT a
and:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 PRINT a
40 LET a = a + 1
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LudovicoVan
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: 'Step', and 'Event'. A distinction. |
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On 13 Oct, 19:24, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]LudovicoVan wrote:
On 12 Oct, 22:58, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
Logical, computer and mechanical operations are not comprised of STEPS.
Steps refer to a task or argument. Rather, such operations are comprised
of discrete, independent, isolated EVENTS. Each event is both a new
start and a finish, with no powers of task representation. It is down to
the operator to read into a multitude of inherently directionless fixed,
logical or mathematical events such things as tasks, steps, inferences
and conclusions.
So, isn>t there any difference between:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 LET a = a + 1
40 PRINT a
and:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 PRINT a
40 LET a = a + 1
-LV
No. There>s no difference. All you have given is a list of start/finish
events that lead nowhere.
[/quote]
That>s two working programs man, and they do *different* things, that
you get it or not!
[quote]It is down to the operator to read into these
inherently directionless fixed events such things as tasks, steps,
inferences, completions and conclusions.
[/quote]
Nonsense. To start from, the logic of natural language is not formal
logic, although it is the base for it. I think that>s in fact the
basic *difference* you keep missing.
-LV |
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LudovicoVan
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: 'Step', and 'Event'. A distinction. |
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On 13 Oct, 22:10, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]LudovicoVan wrote:
On 13 Oct, 19:24, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
LudovicoVan wrote:
On 12 Oct, 22:58, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
Logical, computer and mechanical operations are not comprised of STEPS.
Steps refer to a task or argument. Rather, such operations are comprised
of discrete, independent, isolated EVENTS. Each event is both a new
start and a finish, with no powers of task representation. It is down to
the operator to read into a multitude of inherently directionless fixed,
logical or mathematical events such things as tasks, steps, inferences
and conclusions.
So, isn>t there any difference between:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 LET a = a + 1
40 PRINT a
and:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 PRINT a
40 LET a = a + 1
-LV
No. There>s no difference. All you have given is a list of start/finish
events that lead nowhere.
That>s two working programs man, and they do *different* things, that
you get it or not!
There>s no parameter in those 'programs' that show that they are
working, or that they do things. The above aren>t programs anyway. They
are different collections of fixed events.
[/quote]
Tell the butcher next time he asks for his money, then you>re gonna
learn what BASIC sense is.
-LV |
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John Jones
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: 'Step', and 'Event'. A distinction. |
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LudovicoVan wrote:
[quote]On 12 Oct, 22:58, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
Logical, computer and mechanical operations are not comprised of STEPS.
Steps refer to a task or argument. Rather, such operations are comprised
of discrete, independent, isolated EVENTS. Each event is both a new
start and a finish, with no powers of task representation. It is down to
the operator to read into a multitude of inherently directionless fixed,
logical or mathematical events such things as tasks, steps, inferences
and conclusions.
So, isn>t there any difference between:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 LET a = a + 1
40 PRINT a
and:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 PRINT a
40 LET a = a + 1
-LV
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No. There>s no difference. All you have given is a list of start/finish
events that lead nowhere. It is down to the operator to read into these
inherently directionless fixed events such things as tasks, steps,
inferences, completions and conclusions. |
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John Jones
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: Re: 'Step', and 'Event'. A distinction. |
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LudovicoVan wrote:
[quote]On 13 Oct, 19:24, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
LudovicoVan wrote:
On 12 Oct, 22:58, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
Logical, computer and mechanical operations are not comprised of STEPS.
Steps refer to a task or argument. Rather, such operations are comprised
of discrete, independent, isolated EVENTS. Each event is both a new
start and a finish, with no powers of task representation. It is down to
the operator to read into a multitude of inherently directionless fixed,
logical or mathematical events such things as tasks, steps, inferences
and conclusions.
So, isn>t there any difference between:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 LET a = a + 1
40 PRINT a
and:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 PRINT a
40 LET a = a + 1
-LV
No. There>s no difference. All you have given is a list of start/finish
events that lead nowhere.
That>s two working programs man, and they do *different* things, that
you get it or not!
[/quote]
There>s no parameter in those 'programs' that show that they are
working, or that they do things. The above aren>t programs anyway. They
are different collections of fixed events.
To be clear on it, a machine has no program, just as a person has no
accent. These things are read into them, not found in them. |
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John Jones
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: Re: 'Step', and 'Event'. A distinction. |
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LudovicoVan wrote:
[quote]On 13 Oct, 22:10, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
LudovicoVan wrote:
On 13 Oct, 19:24, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
LudovicoVan wrote:
On 12 Oct, 22:58, John Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote:
Logical, computer and mechanical operations are not comprised of STEPS.
Steps refer to a task or argument. Rather, such operations are comprised
of discrete, independent, isolated EVENTS. Each event is both a new
start and a finish, with no powers of task representation. It is down to
the operator to read into a multitude of inherently directionless fixed,
logical or mathematical events such things as tasks, steps, inferences
and conclusions.
So, isn>t there any difference between:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 LET a = a + 1
40 PRINT a
and:
10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 PRINT a
40 LET a = a + 1
-LV
No. There>s no difference. All you have given is a list of start/finish
events that lead nowhere.
That>s two working programs man, and they do *different* things, that
you get it or not!
There>s no parameter in those 'programs' that show that they are
working, or that they do things. The above aren>t programs anyway. They
are different collections of fixed events.
Tell the butcher next time he asks for his money, then you>re gonna
learn what BASIC sense is.
-LV
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10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 LET a = a + 1
40 PRINT a
10, 20, 30, and 40 all refer to completed events. Each of these events
define a machine. It is you who define the whole series as a machine, as
a task. But that task is not found in the 'program'. |
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Jan Burse
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: 'Step', and 'Event'. A distinction. |
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John Jones schrieb:
[quote]10 LET a = 1
20 PRINT a
30 LET a = a + 1
40 PRINT a
10, 20, 30, and 40 all refer to completed events. Each of these events
define a machine. It is you who define the whole series as a machine, as
a task. But that task is not found in the 'program'.
[/quote]
You know, there were two fisher men... |
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