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Squabbles at The Planetary Society
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kT
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Rand Simberg : American Fascist Reply with quote

Jorge R. Frank wrote:
[quote]mholt@ohiohills.com wrote:
On Nov 19, 3:40 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
My theory is that you are an American fascist, and your ridiculous blog
and usenet statements used as evidence appear to support my theory.

I>ll be back in a couple of weeks. The adults have left the building.

The adults left the building long ago. You just now noticed?
[/quote]
He>s too busy, he>s got important work to do on the Ares I.

Ares I, get it? Hahahahahaha hahaha hahaha haha ha heh ...

If it wasn>t so fucking funny I>d be crying my eyes out.
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jacob navia
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

Pat Flannery wrote:
[quote]Harrison Schmitt jumps ship over new Mars/asteroids agenda:
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/11/former_nac_chai.html

Pat
[/quote]
The planetary society makes a mistake by trying to get us to send
humans to Mars

We can>t send humans to Mars until we know for certain that there are no
living things there. Many things point to a biosphere in Mars like the
methane gas leaking, the existence of vast amounts of water and good
conditions in the soil.

That is why we must go on exploring Mars with automatic, biologically
clean machines. We can sterilize them but we can>t sterilize a human.
Humans would contaminate completely the planet with earth microbes.

And a last point against humans is that we must bring them back,
exposing the whole planet to contamination from possible mars bacteria.
This last point can have potentially catastrophic consequences that
should never be ignored. We just can>t take those kind of risks,
however minimal some people will tell us they are.

Until we are 100% CERTAIN that there are NO bacteria in Mars
or until we are 100% certain that those bacteria are harmless
we just can>t risk contamination.

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jacob navia
jacob at jacob point remcomp point fr
logiciels/informatique
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32
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Fred J. McCall
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

Pat Flannery <flanner@daktel.com> wrote:

:
:
:Eric Chomko wrote:
:>> I>ve always said that about politicians.
:>>
:>
:> Politicians should NOT make scientific decisions.
:>
:
:Based on the Texas legislature, who once passed a law that Pi equaled 3.0.
:

Never happened. Even urban legend doesn>t mention Texas in this
regard, so I>m not sure where you dredged that up from. The usual
candidates are Kansas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma.

The closest thing to it actually happening was in Indiana, where they
had a bill (which never passed) that proposed several different values
for pi.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/805/did-a-state-legislature-once-pass-a-law-saying-pi-equals-3

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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Fred J. McCall
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

Philip <none@nospam.net> wrote:
:
:And evolution is "just a theory".
:

Uh, don>t look now, but evolution *is* "just a theory"...

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it>s such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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Jeff Findley
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5hqai4t7e3pmda6q4fnuh58nrdnqn83dh6@4ax.com...
[quote]Philip <none@nospam.net> wrote:
:
:And evolution is "just a theory".
:

Uh, don>t look now, but evolution *is* "just a theory"...
[/quote]
True, but "intelligent design" isn>t even a theory. The suggestion that it
be taught in school is ludicrous. That>s a slippery slope I don>t want to
start down.

Jeff
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beb - To paraphrase Stephen Colbert, reality has an anti-Ares I bias.
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Fred J. McCall
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

"Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote in message
:news:5hqai4t7e3pmda6q4fnuh58nrdnqn83dh6@4ax.com...
:> Philip <none@nospam.net> wrote:
:> :
:> :And evolution is "just a theory".
:> :
:>
:> Uh, don>t look now, but evolution *is* "just a theory"...
:>
:
:True, but "intelligent design" isn>t even a theory.
:

True, but so what? There was no suggestion in Philip>s posting of any
"intelligent design".

:
:The suggestion that it
:be taught in school is ludicrous. That>s a slippery slope I don>t want to
:start down.
:

On the contrary, I don>t object to it being taught in school. Just
not the way proponents of intelligent design think it should. I think
it should either be brought up during the discussion of what
constitutes a scientific 'theory' and why 'intelligent design' is not
one or else taught explicitly as a non-scientific alternative to
evolution (and why it>s not a scientific theory explained in detail).

--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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kT
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

Fred J. McCall wrote:

[quote]Philip <none@nospam.net> wrote:

:And evolution is "just a theory".

Uh, don>t look now, but evolution *is* "just a theory"...
[/quote]
Yes, it>s quite possible that 'nothing never changes'.

What we really need now is a 'theory of nothing'.
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Eric Chomko
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

On Nov 19, 3:40 pm, simberg.interglo...@org.trash (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:26:25 -0800, in a place far, far away, Philip
n...@nospam.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
as to indicate that:





Pat Flannery wrote:

Eric Chomko wrote:
I>ve always said that about politicians.

Politicians should NOT make scientific decisions.

Based on the Texas legislature, who once passed a law that Pi equaled 3.0.
Meanwhile, back in Texas:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h9PvQtj8plxTnRZS7hH....

Yup, what goes around comes around, doesn>t it? :-D

Pat

And evolution is "just a theory".

What>s wrong with theories?
[/quote]
I guess nothing is wrong with the theory of evolution just as long as
you get the myth of creation.
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Neil Gerace
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

On Nov 20, 10:46 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Philip <n...@nospam.net> wrote:

:
:And evolution is "just a theory".
:

Uh, don>t look now, but evolution *is* "just a theory"...
[/quote]

I think you don>t understand why Philip used the ironic quotes.
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The Big DP
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Re: Rand Simberg : American Fascist Reply with quote

"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:4a288fa8.597030886@news.giganews.com...
[quote]On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:34:44 -0600, in a place far, far away, Elfritz
Non Grata made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to
indicate that:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:40:48 -0600, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:

My theory is that you are an American fascist, and your ridiculous blog
and usenet statements used as evidence appear to support my theory.

My theory is that you>re a troll and a child molester, and your
trolling on usenet is evidence to support my theory as well.

My theory is that the troll should be in everyone>s kill file, and
that no one should feed it.
[/quote]
I agree....but lately with these two I am beginning to wonder *which* of
them is the troll?

Sorry, but it had to be said.
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Rand Simberg
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:51 am    Post subject: Re: Rand Simberg : American Fascist Reply with quote

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:28:17 -0800, in a place far, far away, "The Big
DP" <bigdp@stanford.edu> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:

[quote]
"Rand Simberg" <simberg.interglobal@org.trash> wrote in message
news:4a288fa8.597030886@news.giganews.com...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:34:44 -0600, in a place far, far away, Elfritz
Non Grata made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to
indicate that:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:40:48 -0600, kT <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote:

My theory is that you are an American fascist, and your ridiculous blog
and usenet statements used as evidence appear to support my theory.

My theory is that you>re a troll and a child molester, and your
trolling on usenet is evidence to support my theory as well.

My theory is that the troll should be in everyone>s kill file, and
that no one should feed it.

I agree....but lately with these two I am beginning to wonder *which* of
them is the troll?

Sorry, but it had to be said.
[/quote]
Why can>t it be both?
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Pat Flannery
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:58 am    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

jacob navia wrote:
[quote]Pat Flannery wrote:
The planetary society makes a mistake by trying to get us to send
humans to Mars

We can>t send humans to Mars until we know for certain that there are
no living things there.
[/quote]
Particularly things like this:
http://www.badmovies.org/movies/angryred/angryred6.jpg

Pat
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Neil Gerace
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

On Nov 21, 2:03 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]Why is it that whenever someone like Neil doesn>t 'get it' they always
think it>s the OTHER people who "don>t understand"?
[/quote]
I understood the irony in saying evolution is "just a theory", as if
theories weren>t to be trusted.
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Neil Gerace
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

On Nov 21, 3:08 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]Hint:  You missed something.  Now go figure it out.
[/quote]
What we both missed is that text is not a good way to transmit
information :-)
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jacob navia
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: Squabbles at The Planetary Society Reply with quote

Pat Flannery wrote:
[quote]

jacob navia wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:
The planetary society makes a mistake by trying to get us to send
humans to Mars

We can>t send humans to Mars until we know for certain that there are
no living things there.

Particularly things like this:
http://www.badmovies.org/movies/angryred/angryred6.jpg

Pat
[/quote]
Unable to have any rational discussion.

I raised some concrete points in my post. You ignore them and just
try to ridicule them.

Typical of this group.

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jacob navia
jacob at jacob point remcomp point fr
logiciels/informatique
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32
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