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Many people have various theories why the current financial situation
has appeared. Most have a % of truth, from globalisation, to poor
regulations etc.
One thing that no amount of regulation will reduce, is human greed.
Even reasonable , decent people can get the 'bug', just as in the case
of any disease
One essential 'cure' is to re motivate our brightest and best, and to
nationalise law and medicine.
We wouldnt tollerate a private police forces so why provide 'obscene'
profit motives for the legal profession?
The more litigious a country becomes, the greater the profits to the
lawyers.Same with medicine. The sicker a country becomes, the greater
their share of the national cake.
Of course, this is hardly going to happen, when it takes vast amounts
of money from such sources (particularly the legal and pharma lobby)
to put candidates in power.
So the third suggestion, is to have a limit of 'public money' to be
spent on political campaigns, proportional to the parties numbers.
Just remember that third generation of mafia style organisation, can
afford to have their families go to the ivy league institutions, and
take their places at the top. If you think that is naive, then you
likely are yourself.
There are always solutions, and as Churchill said, "democracy is the
worst political system, except for every other system invented".
Time to introduce new systems, in line with modern technology and
globalisation.
It will take generational changes. Be intertesting to see if it starts
with Obama.
I have no doubt it will, when the real 'fallout' of recent events come
home to roost. It is amazing what changes can be introduced when
desperation and fear dominate a society.
BOfL |
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<bigfletch8@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Many people have various theories why the current financial situation
has appeared. Most have a % of truth, from globalisation, to poor
regulations etc.
One thing that no amount of regulation will reduce, is human greed.
Even reasonable , decent people can get the 'bug', just as in the case
of any disease
One essential 'cure' is to re motivate our brightest and best, and to
nationalise law and medicine.
We wouldnt tollerate a private police forces so why provide 'obscene'
profit motives for the legal profession?
The more litigious a country becomes, the greater the profits to the
lawyers.Same with medicine. The sicker a country becomes, the greater
their share of the national cake.
Of course, this is hardly going to happen, when it takes vast amounts
of money from such sources (particularly the legal and pharma lobby)
to put candidates in power.
So the third suggestion, is to have a limit of 'public money' to be
spent on political campaigns, proportional to the parties numbers.
Just remember that third generation of mafia style organisation, can
afford to have their families go to the ivy league institutions, and
take their places at the top. If you think that is naive, then you
likely are yourself.
There are always solutions, and as Churchill said, "democracy is the
worst political system, except for every other system invented".
Time to introduce new systems, in line with modern technology and
globalisation.
It will take generational changes. Be intertesting to see if it starts
with Obama.
I have no doubt it will, when the real 'fallout' of recent events come
home to roost. It is amazing what changes can be introduced when
desperation and fear dominate a society.
BOfL
[/quote]
Tis all about some Reasonable Balance, n>est pa?
and a little common sense, imho.
PLUS having a good LOOK around to see the real benefits and cost
minimisation of what others are doing who confront the exact same Life
issues in the world today. <smile>
I mean the economy is supposed to mean "economical with minimal waste" ...
throwing money away, and taking unreasonable risks seems entirely counter
productive when it comes to High Productivity and Economical use of
available resources .... but gee, damned if I know why it has to be the
complete opposite of this.
Health care should actually become HEALTH CARE .... expensive heart disease
surgery & medication etc isn>t health care, it>s a waste of resources being
spent on individual UN-healthy lifestyle choices in 95% of the cases.
Like you said, no self-interested Medical system is going to do a thing
about reducing heart disease, or increasing patient true health .... but a
national system would, and in fact DOES eg the NHS system in the UK albeit
not perfect it has got a more rational approach overall than the USA does,
which is way beyond being rational, logical, or economically sound or
sustainable.
But hey, it;s their life, and their money .... it;s theirs to waste if they
so choose. <shrug>
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"SORR Point" <Relaxing@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote in message
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bigfletch8@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[/quote]
[quote]Like you said, no self-interested Medical system is going to do a thing
about reducing heart disease, or increasing patient true health .... but a
national system would, and in fact DOES eg the NHS system in the UK albeit
not perfect it has got a more rational approach overall than the USA does,
which is way beyond being rational, logical, or economically sound or
sustainable.
[/quote]
PS General practice Doctors in the UK are actually PAID a bonus each year
for the number of their regular patients who meet certain health parameters
inlcuding weight, and the lower the high cost hospitalisations of these
patients the more money he makes .... so rather than just being paid for
time of service to patients, he actually has a HIGH proportion of income to
be earnt if he helps them STAY HEALTHIER ....
like how SANE and Rational is that approach, vs GM has to find $50 billion
it doesn NOT have to pay for pensions and the highest health care costs and
insurance on the planet .... no wonder they are broke, it just ridiculous to
manage a nations overall health care in this way and expect anything good to
come of it longterm.
imho, of course.
[quote]But hey, it;s their life, and their money .... it;s theirs to waste if
they so choose. <shrug
cheers sean
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On Nov 19, 1:44 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org>
wrote:
[quote]"SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote in message
news:49238a33$0$28215$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6589bb3e-0dd6-4f8a-8a63-0f0c9aa61815@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Like you said, no self-interested Medical system is going to do a thing
about reducing heart disease, or increasing patient true health .... but a
national system would, and in fact DOES eg the NHS system in the UK albeit
not perfect it has got a more rational approach overall than the USA does,
which is way beyond being rational, logical, or economically sound or
sustainable.
PS General practice Doctors in the UK are actually PAID a bonus each year
for the number of their regular patients who meet certain health parameters
inlcuding weight, and the lower the high cost hospitalisations of these
patients the more money he makes .... so rather than just being paid for
time of service to patients, he actually has a HIGH proportion of income to
be earnt if he helps them STAY HEALTHIER ....
like how SANE and Rational is that approach, vs GM has to find $50 billion
it doesn NOT have to pay for pensions and the highest health care costs and
insurance on the planet .... no wonder they are broke, it just ridiculous to
manage a nations overall health care in this way and expect anything good to
come of it longterm.
imho, of course.
But hey, it;s their life, and their money .... it;s theirs to waste if
they so choose. <shrug
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
You are spot on. Dont forget, their constitution guarantees only the
opportunity to seek happiness. Not to find it :-).
They associate (generally speaking) success as being obscenely rich.
All these handouts will only delay the inevitable.
GM will still run out of money even if they are 'loaned' $25
bill.Perhaps China will buy them out.
Absolutely correct regarding their long term commitments re pensions
and health care.
Was based on a belief in their own indestructability. History always
repeats.
I think it is going to be one hell of a mess, which will change the
power structure of the world.
This year was only a beginning.
BOfL |
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<bigfletch8@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 1:44 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org>
wrote:
[quote]"SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote in message
news:49238a33$0$28215$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6589bb3e-0dd6-4f8a-8a63-0f0c9aa61815@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Like you said, no self-interested Medical system is going to do a thing
about reducing heart disease, or increasing patient true health .... but
a
national system would, and in fact DOES eg the NHS system in the UK
albeit
not perfect it has got a more rational approach overall than the USA
does,
which is way beyond being rational, logical, or economically sound or
sustainable.
PS General practice Doctors in the UK are actually PAID a bonus each year
for the number of their regular patients who meet certain health
parameters
inlcuding weight, and the lower the high cost hospitalisations of these
patients the more money he makes .... so rather than just being paid for
time of service to patients, he actually has a HIGH proportion of income
to
be earnt if he helps them STAY HEALTHIER ....
like how SANE and Rational is that approach, vs GM has to find $50 billion
it doesn NOT have to pay for pensions and the highest health care costs
and
insurance on the planet .... no wonder they are broke, it just ridiculous
to
manage a nations overall health care in this way and expect anything good
to
come of it longterm.
imho, of course.
But hey, it;s their life, and their money .... it;s theirs to waste if
they so choose. <shrug
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
You are spot on. Dont forget, their constitution guarantees only the
opportunity to seek happiness. Not to find it :-).
They associate (generally speaking) success as being obscenely rich.
All these handouts will only delay the inevitable.
GM will still run out of money even if they are 'loaned' $25
bill.Perhaps China will buy them out.
Absolutely correct regarding their long term commitments re pensions
and health care.
Was based on a belief in their own indestructability. History always
repeats.
I think it is going to be one hell of a mess, which will change the
power structure of the world.
This year was only a beginning.
BOfL
----------------------------------------------------
Sean:
Yes it is just the beginning, a long long way to go.
next year an 11/2 maybe a bit stand-offish between some, fair bit of hidden
deception i would think, and yet great co-operation amongst others.
But the writing will well and trully be on the wall for the USA in July
09 -- and the truth will out finally! And Bush thinks he had a bad run of
events to deal with, sheesh, what about mr obama, his hair will be turning
white before his first year is up.
Do you perhaps recall a cpl years back i was often suggesting to our
american mates that getting out of the city, disconnecting from the *norm*
and going self-sufficient if at all possible would be a great idea to act
upon? anyway, I did, many times. c>est la vie.
I>m still amazed my then 21 yo son told me in 2004/05 this financial
collapse & deep depression for the usa was coming, and would be triggered by
the then fake and unsustainable real estate bubble. What a clever dick! :)
oh, btw 2012 things may be looking decidedly different ... Obama will be
looking back and thinking, gee I did say Change has come to America didn>t I
, as he enters his re-election campaign. And Tolle and Oprah may be
pondering about their New Earth series they ran via the Net this year.
hehehe
Interesting times indeed .... amazing actually.
cheers sean |
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On Nov 20, 1:43 am, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org>
wrote:
[quote]bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6260c6ff-6b83-4499-8420-33269908a244@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 19, 1:44 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
"SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote in message
news:49238a33$0$28215$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6589bb3e-0dd6-4f8a-8a63-0f0c9aa61815@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com....
Like you said, no self-interested Medical system is going to do a thing
about reducing heart disease, or increasing patient true health .... but
a
national system would, and in fact DOES eg the NHS system in the UK
albeit
not perfect it has got a more rational approach overall than the USA
does,
which is way beyond being rational, logical, or economically sound or
sustainable.
PS General practice Doctors in the UK are actually PAID a bonus each year
for the number of their regular patients who meet certain health
parameters
inlcuding weight, and the lower the high cost hospitalisations of these
patients the more money he makes .... so rather than just being paid for
time of service to patients, he actually has a HIGH proportion of income
to
be earnt if he helps them STAY HEALTHIER ....
like how SANE and Rational is that approach, vs GM has to find $50 billion
it doesn NOT have to pay for pensions and the highest health care costs
and
insurance on the planet .... no wonder they are broke, it just ridiculous
to
manage a nations overall health care in this way and expect anything good
to
come of it longterm.
imho, of course.
But hey, it;s their life, and their money .... it;s theirs to waste if
they so choose. <shrug
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are spot on. Dont forget, their constitution guarantees only the
opportunity to seek happiness. Not to find it :-).
They associate (generally speaking) success as being obscenely rich.
All these handouts will only delay the inevitable.
GM will still run out of money even if they are 'loaned' $25
bill.Perhaps China will buy them out.
Absolutely correct regarding their long term commitments re pensions
and health care.
Was based on a belief in their own indestructability. History always
repeats.
I think it is going to be one hell of a mess, which will change the
power structure of the world.
This year was only a beginning.
BOfL
----------------------------------------------------
Sean:
Yes it is just the beginning, a long long way to go.
next year an 11/2 maybe a bit stand-offish between some, fair bit of hidden
deception i would think, and yet great co-operation amongst others.
But the writing will well and trully be on the wall for the USA in July
09 -- and the truth will out finally! And Bush thinks he had a bad run of
events to deal with, sheesh, what about mr obama, his hair will be turning
white before his first year is up.
Do you perhaps recall a cpl years back i was often suggesting to our
american mates that getting out of the city, disconnecting from the *norm*
and going self-sufficient if at all possible would be a great idea to act
upon? anyway, I did, many times. c>est la vie.
I>m still amazed my then 21 yo son told me in 2004/05 this financial
collapse & deep depression for the usa was coming, and would be triggered by
the then fake and unsustainable real estate bubble. What a clever dick! :)
oh, btw 2012 things may be looking decidedly different ... Obama will be
looking back and thinking, gee I did say Change has come to America didn>t I
, as he enters his re-election campaign. And Tolle and Oprah may be
pondering about their New Earth series they ran via the Net this year.
hehehe
Interesting times indeed .... amazing actually.
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
Hehehehe...you wouldnt read about it..(aussie slang, for you
foreigners) unless you read some very obscure books.!!!
Great to look at of the bigger picture for those who believe that they
are somehow guilty of contributing to this 'cycle'.
I have been standing back lately, and watching how the legal
profession has a major role in both the macro and micro events.
Their whole growth relies on perpetuating the problems.
BOfL |
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<bigfletch8@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 1:43 am, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org>
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[quote]bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 1:44 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
"SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote in message
news:49238a33$0$28215$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6589bb3e-0dd6-4f8a-8a63-0f0c9aa61815@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Like you said, no self-interested Medical system is going to do a
thing
about reducing heart disease, or increasing patient true health ....
but
a
national system would, and in fact DOES eg the NHS system in the UK
albeit
not perfect it has got a more rational approach overall than the USA
does,
which is way beyond being rational, logical, or economically sound or
sustainable.
PS General practice Doctors in the UK are actually PAID a bonus each
year
for the number of their regular patients who meet certain health
parameters
inlcuding weight, and the lower the high cost hospitalisations of these
patients the more money he makes .... so rather than just being paid for
time of service to patients, he actually has a HIGH proportion of income
to
be earnt if he helps them STAY HEALTHIER ....
like how SANE and Rational is that approach, vs GM has to find $50
billion
it doesn NOT have to pay for pensions and the highest health care costs
and
insurance on the planet .... no wonder they are broke, it just
ridiculous
to
manage a nations overall health care in this way and expect anything
good
to
come of it longterm.
imho, of course.
But hey, it;s their life, and their money .... it;s theirs to waste if
they so choose. <shrug
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are spot on. Dont forget, their constitution guarantees only the
opportunity to seek happiness. Not to find it :-).
They associate (generally speaking) success as being obscenely rich.
All these handouts will only delay the inevitable.
GM will still run out of money even if they are 'loaned' $25
bill.Perhaps China will buy them out.
Absolutely correct regarding their long term commitments re pensions
and health care.
Was based on a belief in their own indestructability. History always
repeats.
I think it is going to be one hell of a mess, which will change the
power structure of the world.
This year was only a beginning.
BOfL
----------------------------------------------------
Sean:
Yes it is just the beginning, a long long way to go.
next year an 11/2 maybe a bit stand-offish between some, fair bit of
hidden
deception i would think, and yet great co-operation amongst others.
But the writing will well and trully be on the wall for the USA in July
09 -- and the truth will out finally! And Bush thinks he had a bad run of
events to deal with, sheesh, what about mr obama, his hair will be turning
white before his first year is up.
Do you perhaps recall a cpl years back i was often suggesting to our
american mates that getting out of the city, disconnecting from the *norm*
and going self-sufficient if at all possible would be a great idea to act
upon? anyway, I did, many times. c>est la vie.
I>m still amazed my then 21 yo son told me in 2004/05 this financial
collapse & deep depression for the usa was coming, and would be triggered
by
the then fake and unsustainable real estate bubble. What a clever dick! :)
oh, btw 2012 things may be looking decidedly different ... Obama will be
looking back and thinking, gee I did say Change has come to America didn>t
I
, as he enters his re-election campaign. And Tolle and Oprah may be
pondering about their New Earth series they ran via the Net this year.
hehehe
Interesting times indeed .... amazing actually.
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
Hehehehe...you wouldnt read about it..(aussie slang, for you
foreigners) unless you read some very obscure books.!!!
Great to look at of the bigger picture for those who believe that they
are somehow guilty of contributing to this 'cycle'.
I have been standing back lately, and watching how the legal
profession has a major role in both the macro and micro events.
Their whole growth relies on perpetuating the problems.
BOfL
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<smile>
But don;t forget those Bankers Brian.
Report from Real estate friend ... twice this week in one agency the SIGNED
house sales contracts have fallen thru because the banks [ 2 different
ones ] have renegged on PRE-Approval Guarantee of Loans to the purchasers.
BANK said ... only IF you lift your Cash Deposit to 25% of contract price ,
OR you get the Owner to drop their Contract Price by at least 5% .. ... =
$50,000 price drop.
Interesting days indeed mate!
One needed 25% at the major banks way back in the 70>s and 80>s for home
mortgages in aus .... havn>t things changed. WOW |
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[quote]On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:11:18 -0800, bigflet...@gmail.com wrote:
Dont forget, their constitution guarantees only the opportunity to seek
happiness.
You are referring to the Declaration Of Independence not the Constitution..
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I stand corrected. Of course if 'under God' then is makes little
difference.:-)
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On Nov 20, 4:49 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org>
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[quote]bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 1:43 am, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6260c6ff-6b83-4499-8420-33269908a244@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com....
On Nov 19, 1:44 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
"SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote in message
news:49238a33$0$28215$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6589bb3e-0dd6-4f8a-8a63-0f0c9aa61815@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com....
Like you said, no self-interested Medical system is going to do a
thing
about reducing heart disease, or increasing patient true health .....
but
a
national system would, and in fact DOES eg the NHS system in the UK
albeit
not perfect it has got a more rational approach overall than the USA
does,
which is way beyond being rational, logical, or economically sound or
sustainable.
PS General practice Doctors in the UK are actually PAID a bonus each
year
for the number of their regular patients who meet certain health
parameters
inlcuding weight, and the lower the high cost hospitalisations of these
patients the more money he makes .... so rather than just being paid for
time of service to patients, he actually has a HIGH proportion of income
to
be earnt if he helps them STAY HEALTHIER ....
like how SANE and Rational is that approach, vs GM has to find $50
billion
it doesn NOT have to pay for pensions and the highest health care costs
and
insurance on the planet .... no wonder they are broke, it just
ridiculous
to
manage a nations overall health care in this way and expect anything
good
to
come of it longterm.
imho, of course.
But hey, it;s their life, and their money .... it;s theirs to waste if
they so choose. <shrug
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are spot on. Dont forget, their constitution guarantees only the
opportunity to seek happiness. Not to find it :-).
They associate (generally speaking) success as being obscenely rich.
All these handouts will only delay the inevitable.
GM will still run out of money even if they are 'loaned' $25
bill.Perhaps China will buy them out.
Absolutely correct regarding their long term commitments re pensions
and health care.
Was based on a belief in their own indestructability. History always
repeats.
I think it is going to be one hell of a mess, which will change the
power structure of the world.
This year was only a beginning.
BOfL
----------------------------------------------------
Sean:
Yes it is just the beginning, a long long way to go.
next year an 11/2 maybe a bit stand-offish between some, fair bit of
hidden
deception i would think, and yet great co-operation amongst others.
But the writing will well and trully be on the wall for the USA in July
09 -- and the truth will out finally! And Bush thinks he had a bad run of
events to deal with, sheesh, what about mr obama, his hair will be turning
white before his first year is up.
Do you perhaps recall a cpl years back i was often suggesting to our
american mates that getting out of the city, disconnecting from the *norm*
and going self-sufficient if at all possible would be a great idea to act
upon? anyway, I did, many times. c>est la vie.
I>m still amazed my then 21 yo son told me in 2004/05 this financial
collapse & deep depression for the usa was coming, and would be triggered
by
the then fake and unsustainable real estate bubble. What a clever dick! :)
oh, btw 2012 things may be looking decidedly different ... Obama will be
looking back and thinking, gee I did say Change has come to America didn>t
I
, as he enters his re-election campaign. And Tolle and Oprah may be
pondering about their New Earth series they ran via the Net this year.
hehehe
Interesting times indeed .... amazing actually.
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hehehehe...you wouldnt read about it..(aussie slang, for you
foreigners) unless you read some very obscure books.!!!
Great to look at of the bigger picture for those who believe that they
are somehow guilty of contributing to this 'cycle'.
I have been standing back lately, and watching how the legal
profession has a major role in both the macro and micro events.
Their whole growth relies on perpetuating the problems.
BOfL
-----------------------------------------------
smile
But don;t forget those Bankers Brian.
Report from Real estate friend ... twice this week in one agency the SIGNED
house sales contracts have fallen thru because the banks [ 2 different
ones ] have renegged on PRE-Approval Guarantee of Loans to the purchasers..
BANK said ... only IF you lift your Cash Deposit to 25% of contract price ,
OR you get the Owner to drop their Contract Price by at least 5% .. .... > $50,000 price drop.
Interesting days indeed mate!
One needed 25% at the major banks way back in the 70>s and 80>s for home
mortgages in aus .... havn>t things changed. WOW- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
Just happened to me on the sale of my last small property. On top of
that, the friend who>s daughter was going to buy it, had a heart
attack.Selfish bugger :-)
Im sure the interest rates will come to about 4%. The only way I can
see that prices of existing homes will stay high enough to sustain the
building inbdustry, and stimulate the rental/investment supply.
In Perth, I was looking for a rental for myself and my daughter. $500
per week, pretty crappy, and over twenty families showed up. Went to
the highest tender. Dont know how much.
Big winds a blowin in the answers:-)
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<bigfletch8@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 4:49 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org>
wrote:
[quote]bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 1:43 am, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 1:44 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
"SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote in message
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bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6589bb3e-0dd6-4f8a-8a63-0f0c9aa61815@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Like you said, no self-interested Medical system is going to do a
thing
about reducing heart disease, or increasing patient true health ....
but
a
national system would, and in fact DOES eg the NHS system in the UK
albeit
not perfect it has got a more rational approach overall than the USA
does,
which is way beyond being rational, logical, or economically sound
or
sustainable.
PS General practice Doctors in the UK are actually PAID a bonus each
year
for the number of their regular patients who meet certain health
parameters
inlcuding weight, and the lower the high cost hospitalisations of
these
patients the more money he makes .... so rather than just being paid
for
time of service to patients, he actually has a HIGH proportion of
income
to
be earnt if he helps them STAY HEALTHIER ....
like how SANE and Rational is that approach, vs GM has to find $50
billion
it doesn NOT have to pay for pensions and the highest health care
costs
and
insurance on the planet .... no wonder they are broke, it just
ridiculous
to
manage a nations overall health care in this way and expect anything
good
to
come of it longterm.
imho, of course.
But hey, it;s their life, and their money .... it;s theirs to waste
if
they so choose. <shrug
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are spot on. Dont forget, their constitution guarantees only the
opportunity to seek happiness. Not to find it :-).
They associate (generally speaking) success as being obscenely rich.
All these handouts will only delay the inevitable.
GM will still run out of money even if they are 'loaned' $25
bill.Perhaps China will buy them out.
Absolutely correct regarding their long term commitments re pensions
and health care.
Was based on a belief in their own indestructability. History always
repeats.
I think it is going to be one hell of a mess, which will change the
power structure of the world.
This year was only a beginning.
BOfL
----------------------------------------------------
Sean:
Yes it is just the beginning, a long long way to go.
next year an 11/2 maybe a bit stand-offish between some, fair bit of
hidden
deception i would think, and yet great co-operation amongst others.
But the writing will well and trully be on the wall for the USA in July
09 -- and the truth will out finally! And Bush thinks he had a bad run
of
events to deal with, sheesh, what about mr obama, his hair will be
turning
white before his first year is up.
Do you perhaps recall a cpl years back i was often suggesting to our
american mates that getting out of the city, disconnecting from the
*norm*
and going self-sufficient if at all possible would be a great idea to
act
upon? anyway, I did, many times. c>est la vie.
I>m still amazed my then 21 yo son told me in 2004/05 this financial
collapse & deep depression for the usa was coming, and would be
triggered
by
the then fake and unsustainable real estate bubble. What a clever dick!
:)
oh, btw 2012 things may be looking decidedly different ... Obama will be
looking back and thinking, gee I did say Change has come to America
didn>t
I
, as he enters his re-election campaign. And Tolle and Oprah may be
pondering about their New Earth series they ran via the Net this year.
hehehe
Interesting times indeed .... amazing actually.
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hehehehe...you wouldnt read about it..(aussie slang, for you
foreigners) unless you read some very obscure books.!!!
Great to look at of the bigger picture for those who believe that they
are somehow guilty of contributing to this 'cycle'.
I have been standing back lately, and watching how the legal
profession has a major role in both the macro and micro events.
Their whole growth relies on perpetuating the problems.
BOfL
-----------------------------------------------
smile
But don;t forget those Bankers Brian.
Report from Real estate friend ... twice this week in one agency the
SIGNED
house sales contracts have fallen thru because the banks [ 2 different
ones ] have renegged on PRE-Approval Guarantee of Loans to the purchasers.
BANK said ... only IF you lift your Cash Deposit to 25% of contract price
,
OR you get the Owner to drop their Contract Price by at least 5% .. ... =
$50,000 price drop.
Interesting days indeed mate!
One needed 25% at the major banks way back in the 70>s and 80>s for home
mortgages in aus .... havn>t things changed. WOW- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
Just happened to me on the sale of my last small property. On top of
that, the friend who>s daughter was going to buy it, had a heart
attack.Selfish bugger :-)
---------------
Sheesh, just NO pleasing some people !! Fair dinkum, the young people of
today hurmp!
-----------------------------------
Im sure the interest rates will come to about 4%. The only way I can
see that prices of existing homes will stay high enough to sustain the
building inbdustry, and stimulate the rental/investment supply.
In Perth, I was looking for a rental for myself and my daughter. $500
per week, pretty crappy, and over twenty families showed up. Went to
the highest tender. Dont know how much.
Big winds a blowin in the answers:-)
BOfL
-----------------------------------------------------------
Sean :
Are you moving back to Perth then ???
If u are a friend form the GC moved there not long ago .... yeah she said
rentals was MADNESS, very very hard, but she worked it out ... somewhere in
northern beaches area, out of perth itself ...???
Anyway, my predictions???? outside of sydney, maybe perth too, likely that
home prices still to drop another 20% in next year on average. .... I
suspect foreclosures of Investor properties, as well as home owners to
really jump next year, as some unemployment bites, the stock market losses
really start to bite some, especially those with Margin Loans ... of which
there are Hundreds of thousands out there. ...........
I think the to date and ongoing losses, less and harder to get lending, will
keep pushing Prices down overall ... I know this doesn;t make sense re
shortages overall of rentals ...... can;t my head around that, but I still
think there will be BARGAINS to get for cash flushed folks next year to buy
up properties in country, and potential investment homes ... eg sellers stay
in home and rent back options.
Now, where>s that cash ..... isn;t it around here somewhere ... ????
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On Nov 21, 4:41 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org>
wrote:
[quote]bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 4:49 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 1:43 am, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 1:44 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
"SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote in message
news:49238a33$0$28215$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6589bb3e-0dd6-4f8a-8a63-0f0c9aa61815@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Like you said, no self-interested Medical system is going to do a
thing
about reducing heart disease, or increasing patient true health .....
but
a
national system would, and in fact DOES eg the NHS system in the UK
albeit
not perfect it has got a more rational approach overall than the USA
does,
which is way beyond being rational, logical, or economically sound
or
sustainable.
PS General practice Doctors in the UK are actually PAID a bonus each
year
for the number of their regular patients who meet certain health
parameters
inlcuding weight, and the lower the high cost hospitalisations of
these
patients the more money he makes .... so rather than just being paid
for
time of service to patients, he actually has a HIGH proportion of
income
to
be earnt if he helps them STAY HEALTHIER ....
like how SANE and Rational is that approach, vs GM has to find $50
billion
it doesn NOT have to pay for pensions and the highest health care
costs
and
insurance on the planet .... no wonder they are broke, it just
ridiculous
to
manage a nations overall health care in this way and expect anything
good
to
come of it longterm.
imho, of course.
But hey, it;s their life, and their money .... it;s theirs to waste
if
they so choose. <shrug
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are spot on. Dont forget, their constitution guarantees only the
opportunity to seek happiness. Not to find it :-).
They associate (generally speaking) success as being obscenely rich.
All these handouts will only delay the inevitable.
GM will still run out of money even if they are 'loaned' $25
bill.Perhaps China will buy them out.
Absolutely correct regarding their long term commitments re pensions
and health care.
Was based on a belief in their own indestructability. History always
repeats.
I think it is going to be one hell of a mess, which will change the
power structure of the world.
This year was only a beginning.
BOfL
----------------------------------------------------
Sean:
Yes it is just the beginning, a long long way to go.
next year an 11/2 maybe a bit stand-offish between some, fair bit of
hidden
deception i would think, and yet great co-operation amongst others.
But the writing will well and trully be on the wall for the USA in July
09 -- and the truth will out finally! And Bush thinks he had a bad run
of
events to deal with, sheesh, what about mr obama, his hair will be
turning
white before his first year is up.
Do you perhaps recall a cpl years back i was often suggesting to our
american mates that getting out of the city, disconnecting from the
*norm*
and going self-sufficient if at all possible would be a great idea to
act
upon? anyway, I did, many times. c>est la vie.
I>m still amazed my then 21 yo son told me in 2004/05 this financial
collapse & deep depression for the usa was coming, and would be
triggered
by
the then fake and unsustainable real estate bubble. What a clever dick!
:)
oh, btw 2012 things may be looking decidedly different ... Obama will be
looking back and thinking, gee I did say Change has come to America
didn>t
I
, as he enters his re-election campaign. And Tolle and Oprah may be
pondering about their New Earth series they ran via the Net this year..
hehehe
Interesting times indeed .... amazing actually.
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hehehehe...you wouldnt read about it..(aussie slang, for you
foreigners) unless you read some very obscure books.!!!
Great to look at of the bigger picture for those who believe that they
are somehow guilty of contributing to this 'cycle'.
I have been standing back lately, and watching how the legal
profession has a major role in both the macro and micro events.
Their whole growth relies on perpetuating the problems.
BOfL
-----------------------------------------------
smile
But don;t forget those Bankers Brian.
Report from Real estate friend ... twice this week in one agency the
SIGNED
house sales contracts have fallen thru because the banks [ 2 different
ones ] have renegged on PRE-Approval Guarantee of Loans to the purchasers.
BANK said ... only IF you lift your Cash Deposit to 25% of contract price
,
OR you get the Owner to drop their Contract Price by at least 5% .. ... > > $50,000 price drop.
Interesting days indeed mate!
One needed 25% at the major banks way back in the 70>s and 80>s for home
mortgages in aus .... havn>t things changed. WOW- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Just happened to me on the sale of my last small property. On top of
that, the friend who>s daughter was going to buy it, had a heart
attack.Selfish bugger :-)
---------------
Sheesh, just NO pleasing some people !! Fair dinkum, the young people of
today hurmp!
-----------------------------------
Im sure the interest rates will come to about 4%. The only way I can
see that prices of existing homes will stay high enough to sustain the
building inbdustry, and stimulate the rental/investment supply.
In Perth, I was looking for a rental for myself and my daughter. $500
per week, pretty crappy, and over twenty families showed up. Went to
the highest tender. Dont know how much.
Big winds a blowin in the answers:-)
BOfL
-----------------------------------------------------------
Sean :
Are you moving back to Perth then ???
If u are a friend form the GC moved there not long ago .... yeah she said
rentals was MADNESS, very very hard, but she worked it out ... somewhere in
northern beaches area, out of perth itself ...???
Anyway, my predictions???? outside of sydney, maybe perth too, likely that
home prices still to drop another 20% in next year on average. .... I
suspect foreclosures of Investor properties, as well as home owners to
really jump next year, as some unemployment bites, the stock market losses
really start to bite some, especially those with Margin Loans ... of which
there are Hundreds of thousands out there. ...........
I think the to date and ongoing losses, less and harder to get lending, will
keep pushing Prices down overall ... I know this doesn;t make sense re
shortages overall of rentals ...... can;t my head around that, but I still
think there will be BARGAINS to get for cash flushed folks next year to buy
up properties in country, and potential investment homes ... eg sellers stay
in home and rent back options.
Now, where>s that cash ..... isn;t it around here somewhere ... ????
LOL- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
Still in GC.Came back after two weeks there.
I had to take the local lawyers representing me on Q1 to the
complaints committee, as I did in Perth. If I can actually get them to
go to court for a summary judgment, I will be viable again.
The case is simple, the defendant (his r/e agent) confirms what I
claim in her affidavit, and is backed up by the contract.The legal
precident has been confirmed a number of times
Too simple for both sets of lawyers who have screwed me (and also the
vendor) of $50 k each...so far.
There are some rentals in Perth, but way out. Northen beaches stretch
up to Broome :-).
I agree with your predictions,but I feel as though there is something
with a much bigger impact on the way.
The rental shortage in Perth, I think, is to do with the pop growth.
Even people who go over for temp employment tend to stay for the
lifestyle...even as far as south Broome :-)
Saw a great doco on Aztecs on SBS, and how Cortez walked all over
them. There was a mention of Montezumas treasure...perhaps thats where
you left it!
Quetzlcoatl fortold of the "Gods" returning after they kicked him
out.They thought it was Cortez. Im sure you knew that. A missing part
of my education Always interesting when spirituality (the religious
version that is)...mixes with politics.
Kaboooom ;-)
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<bigfletch8@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 21, 4:41 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org>
wrote:
[quote]bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 4:49 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 1:43 am, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 1:44 pm, "SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org
wrote:
"SORR Point" <Relax...@theBeach.DownUnder.org> wrote in message
news:49238a33$0$28215$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6589bb3e-0dd6-4f8a-8a63-0f0c9aa61815@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Like you said, no self-interested Medical system is going to do a
thing
about reducing heart disease, or increasing patient true health
....
but
a
national system would, and in fact DOES eg the NHS system in the
UK
albeit
not perfect it has got a more rational approach overall than the
USA
does,
which is way beyond being rational, logical, or economically sound
or
sustainable.
PS General practice Doctors in the UK are actually PAID a bonus each
year
for the number of their regular patients who meet certain health
parameters
inlcuding weight, and the lower the high cost hospitalisations of
these
patients the more money he makes .... so rather than just being paid
for
time of service to patients, he actually has a HIGH proportion of
income
to
be earnt if he helps them STAY HEALTHIER ....
like how SANE and Rational is that approach, vs GM has to find $50
billion
it doesn NOT have to pay for pensions and the highest health care
costs
and
insurance on the planet .... no wonder they are broke, it just
ridiculous
to
manage a nations overall health care in this way and expect anything
good
to
come of it longterm.
imho, of course.
But hey, it;s their life, and their money .... it;s theirs to
waste
if
they so choose. <shrug
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are spot on. Dont forget, their constitution guarantees only the
opportunity to seek happiness. Not to find it :-).
They associate (generally speaking) success as being obscenely rich.
All these handouts will only delay the inevitable.
GM will still run out of money even if they are 'loaned' $25
bill.Perhaps China will buy them out.
Absolutely correct regarding their long term commitments re pensions
and health care.
Was based on a belief in their own indestructability. History always
repeats.
I think it is going to be one hell of a mess, which will change the
power structure of the world.
This year was only a beginning.
BOfL
----------------------------------------------------
Sean:
Yes it is just the beginning, a long long way to go.
next year an 11/2 maybe a bit stand-offish between some, fair bit of
hidden
deception i would think, and yet great co-operation amongst others.
But the writing will well and trully be on the wall for the USA in
July
09 -- and the truth will out finally! And Bush thinks he had a bad run
of
events to deal with, sheesh, what about mr obama, his hair will be
turning
white before his first year is up.
Do you perhaps recall a cpl years back i was often suggesting to our
american mates that getting out of the city, disconnecting from the
*norm*
and going self-sufficient if at all possible would be a great idea to
act
upon? anyway, I did, many times. c>est la vie.
I>m still amazed my then 21 yo son told me in 2004/05 this financial
collapse & deep depression for the usa was coming, and would be
triggered
by
the then fake and unsustainable real estate bubble. What a clever
dick!
:)
oh, btw 2012 things may be looking decidedly different ... Obama will
be
looking back and thinking, gee I did say Change has come to America
didn>t
I
, as he enters his re-election campaign. And Tolle and Oprah may be
pondering about their New Earth series they ran via the Net this year.
hehehe
Interesting times indeed .... amazing actually.
cheers sean- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Hehehehe...you wouldnt read about it..(aussie slang, for you
foreigners) unless you read some very obscure books.!!!
Great to look at of the bigger picture for those who believe that they
are somehow guilty of contributing to this 'cycle'.
I have been standing back lately, and watching how the legal
profession has a major role in both the macro and micro events.
Their whole growth relies on perpetuating the problems.
BOfL
-----------------------------------------------
smile
But don;t forget those Bankers Brian.
Report from Real estate friend ... twice this week in one agency the
SIGNED
house sales contracts have fallen thru because the banks [ 2 different
ones ] have renegged on PRE-Approval Guarantee of Loans to the
purchasers.
BANK said ... only IF you lift your Cash Deposit to 25% of contract
price
,
OR you get the Owner to drop their Contract Price by at least 5% .. ...
=
$50,000 price drop.
Interesting days indeed mate!
One needed 25% at the major banks way back in the 70>s and 80>s for home
mortgages in aus .... havn>t things changed. WOW- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Just happened to me on the sale of my last small property. On top of
that, the friend who>s daughter was going to buy it, had a heart
attack.Selfish bugger :-)
---------------
Sheesh, just NO pleasing some people !! Fair dinkum, the young people of
today hurmp!
-----------------------------------
Im sure the interest rates will come to about 4%. The only way I can
see that prices of existing homes will stay high enough to sustain the
building inbdustry, and stimulate the rental/investment supply.
In Perth, I was looking for a rental for myself and my daughter. $500
per week, pretty crappy, and over twenty families showed up. Went to
the highest tender. Dont know how much.
Big winds a blowin in the answers:-)
BOfL
-----------------------------------------------------------
Sean :
Are you moving back to Perth then ???
If u are a friend form the GC moved there not long ago .... yeah she said
rentals was MADNESS, very very hard, but she worked it out ... somewhere
in
northern beaches area, out of perth itself ...???
Anyway, my predictions???? outside of sydney, maybe perth too, likely that
home prices still to drop another 20% in next year on average. .... I
suspect foreclosures of Investor properties, as well as home owners to
really jump next year, as some unemployment bites, the stock market losses
really start to bite some, especially those with Margin Loans ... of which
there are Hundreds of thousands out there. ...........
I think the to date and ongoing losses, less and harder to get lending,
will
keep pushing Prices down overall ... I know this doesn;t make sense re
shortages overall of rentals ...... can;t my head around that, but I still
think there will be BARGAINS to get for cash flushed folks next year to
buy
up properties in country, and potential investment homes ... eg sellers
stay
in home and rent back options.
Now, where>s that cash ..... isn;t it around here somewhere ... ????
LOL- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
Still in GC.Came back after two weeks there.
I had to take the local lawyers representing me on Q1 to the
complaints committee, as I did in Perth. If I can actually get them to
go to court for a summary judgment, I will be viable again.
The case is simple, the defendant (his r/e agent) confirms what I
claim in her affidavit, and is backed up by the contract.The legal
precident has been confirmed a number of times
Too simple for both sets of lawyers who have screwed me (and also the
vendor) of $50 k each...so far.
-------------------------
Sean: mmmmm, well all the best as always. Keep the sword unsheathed, and
keepa da wits about ya me lad.
----------------------------
There are some rentals in Perth, but way out. Northen beaches stretch
up to Broome :-).
I agree with your predictions,but I feel as though there is something
with a much bigger impact on the way.
----------------------
Sean: Yes won>t disagree with you on that. I>m just kewl being up to speed
with where I am, but enough *research* for now, had enough. and, ha, very
funny about Broome ... :) but she likes it nearer to perth!
------------------------------------------
The rental shortage in Perth, I think, is to do with the pop growth.
Even people who go over for temp employment tend to stay for the
lifestyle...even as far as south Broome :-)
Saw a great doco on Aztecs on SBS, and how Cortez walked all over
them. There was a mention of Montezumas treasure...perhaps thats where
you left it!
Quetzlcoatl fortold of the "Gods" returning after they kicked him
out.They thought it was Cortez. Im sure you knew that. A missing part
of my education Always interesting when spirituality (the religious
version that is)...mixes with politics.
Kaboooom ;-)
BOfL
-------------------------------
Sean :
LOL yeah Montezuma>s gold, now I remember. :)
And yes Cortez is a VERY interesting story. Incredible what 400 soldiers
could do. Was way too weird that whole thing, imho.
Of course the aztecs were human sacrificing in a big way. and there>s
somewhat of a cross-over with them and the Maya as they are so close in time
and place.
here>s one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Castillo,_Chichen_Itza
The overall structure has nine levels, which may be a parallel to the Maya
cosmological view of there being nine levels in the Maya 'Underworlds'. We
are led to believe this because of the staircase in the center of the
pyramid having 13 levels, the number of levels in the "upper
worlds".[citation needed]
I can>t recall exactly, but i think it was either above or on the aztec site
that there was actually 5 Temple pyramids built one top the other .... but
they still had secret entrances into the inside chambers, .... [ or i>ve
forgotton too much LOL ]
This one is maya too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_the_Feathered_Serpent,_Teotihuacan
must connect back to Mu civilisation, and more than likely across to the
aboriginals [ rainbow serpent??] , as well as all of the pacific, easter
island etc etc.
"These are some of the earliest-known representations of the feathered
serpent, often identified with the much-later Aztec god Quetzalcoatl.[2]"
and these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_the_Sun
and this was the later Aztec, in central Mexico city
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenochtitlan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Tenochtitlan
[ I tend to be more attracted fascinated about Maya Chichen Itza area/time,
I give these few links because from Wiki pages like these, which are
easy/quick to read/follow, one can follow one>s nose out into the web and
find some really intriguing things you wished you knew, and probably did.
:) ]
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PS a quick search on my pc about Mayan connections found when travelling on
the WWW
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The Mayan Cosmic Calendar and its connection with essence spirit: All that
exists on Mother Earth has essence as well as spirit. To the Maya, essence
and spirit are one and the same and their never ending cyclic language tells
matter how to act to give way to the cyclic changes.
My uncle, Don Beto, explained this to me many years ago in a very simple
manner. One day, as my uncle and I were walking in the jungle near Espita,
my home town, he suddenly gestured indicating that we sit on some stones
that were under a beautiful tree. As we sat down I perceived the aroma of
mango fruit. My uncle was watching me and he asked me if I felt like eating
a mango. Then, he said: "This is the right day for you to understand the
essence-spirit concept."
My uncle asked me if I could see a mango on the tree and I answered that I
did not see any. He said: "Today, the mango fruit is not present. That is
the way of existence; everything arrives spiritually first. Just as the
mango fruit arrives, so does everything that exists. That is how we humans
arrived in this world, first spiritually and later physically."
"Hunbatz, remember the pyramids at X Wenk>al. That site is sacred to us, the
Maya. Our physical roots are in that ancient site and it was there that our
ancestors understood many laws on all that exists from the Great Spirit. In
X Wenk>al, as well as in hundreds of pyramids on this continent, our
ancestors performed ceremonies to honor all that was visible and all that
was not visible. You cannot see the mango fruit, yet you can perceive its
aroma."
Then, my uncle>s expression turned sad. I respectfully asked him the reason
for such change. There was a sad tone in his voice as he answered: "The way
things are changing makes me very sad. Modern civilization is losing respect
for all that comes from the Great Spirit." He continued: "Many of the
different animals that I used to see around this jungle are physically gone,
the big trees are gone too. Everything is disappearing physically and my
spirit grieves for this reason. I always implore the sacred Hunab K>u that
we are not left without the essence-spirit of all that is gone and that,
some day, He sends again the physical beauty we no longer see."
In 1994, my Solar Sister Anja Korner (founder of Avebury Mystery School)
invited me to give some lectures in England. While I was in that sacred
land, I had the privilege of walking on one of the crop formations that have
been found in wheat plantations at various locations in England. When I
walked on one that had recently been formed near the Avebury pyramid, I
could sense the change in frequency of the energy emitted and I felt as if
Mother Earth were emitting energy upwards.
It is important to note that the day before, a group of initiates and myself
had performed a ritual precisely in that magnetic site and the crop
formation was not there, but it was there the following day and, as we
walked on it, we entered its dimension. Some people claim that these
geometric designs are made by the farmers of the area. I am absolutely
certain that this formation was not man-made.
When I sat within the formation to meditate, I remembered my uncle telling
me to always remember the teaching of the essence-spirit concept. Then I
understood that, through this sacred site, Mother Earth was trying to
communicate with intelligent, open-minded human beings that could understand
the language of sacred geometry in its mathematical and vibrational aspects.
When I was in Florida in 1996, for reasons of cosmic coincidence, I met
Kathy Doore, who gave me a photograph of a recent crop formation in England,
which seemed to suggest that the essence and body of our Mother Earth was
not in the orbit it had occupied for millions of years and this saddened me.
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The purpose of the Mayan initiation work is to determine what can be done to
avoid the aforementioned, as we were sent to this planet to care for it and
to love it. Let us ask Hunab K>u to show us the way and, through meditation,
come to understand the calendar cycles, which will enable us to pinpoint our
errors.
All are invited to learn to adjust their lives in accordance with the sacred
Mayan calendars and ask Mother Earth what is their cyclic responsibility so
that we can all live in harmony with the essence-spirit of Mother Earth.
This is the only way to preserve the spirit of our planet.
I invoke the spirit of all the masters of all times and dimensions, as well
as the spirit of all forms of life so that they guide us and protect us and
that they all be present as essence of the solar light on March 21 (Mayan
New Year). At the Dzibilchaltun ceremonial center where the sacred Hunab K>u
illuminates his children, I will pray so that, once again, we can see the
light of wisdom as the Great Father Sun becomes visible for us to understand
his cosmic cycles. Hunbatz Men - Maya Tradition
As we become more and more sensitive to essence/spirit, we will be able to
perceive something about to manifest. If the essence/spirit of the next
dimension can be felt through resonance before it arrives we can be at the
right place at the right time just by being sensitive. Essence/spirit
becomes our well-worn unseen path to the next world. If we feel drawn to a
special place and/or feel an otherworldly presence or feel a higher
frequency this very well may be a doorway to the next dimension.
One of the main reasons so many are drawn to sacred sites around the Earth
is that all sacred sites exist on all dimensions at once. When we move into
the next reality sacred sites will remain, but our modern society built of
skyscrapers and superhighways will not. This is because sacred sites have a
thread of energy that ties them to all the dimensions.
Sacred sites are built on energy vortexes. Because of the centuries of solar
lightwork done in these places, a magnification of the frequencies has been
built. When we visit sacred sites, we feel excited, as they exhibit high
frequencies and lower magnetics. These altered frequencies and lower
magnetics attract those who are working to be free of limitations. Sacred
sites are actually preparing us for dimensional shifting. Higher frequencies
help us clear out the unnecessary baggage we have carried for lifetimes and
also give our body a workout so we will be in shape for the shifts. Lower
magnetics prepare us for the possible disorientation we can feel when we
enter a dimension that is timeless and non-linear. Sacred sites prepare our
body and spirit for the shift of the ages.
full article here
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Mayan_Elder_Hunbatz_Men/id/2371
and
"I think that by 2012 you will have people that are enlightened (open,
honest, caring, loving,united to the divine) and those that still seek
humanity>s lower natures (suffering, misery, hate, separation from the
divine) but at least the scale may be tipping more toward enlightened."
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