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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:42:45 GMT, jim <jim10293@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]
Raising taxes on the wealthy, or putting the rates back where they
were before Bush took office won>t destroy the wealthy.

What is 'wealthy' and where do they get their money? Bill Gates and
Buffet are certainly in that category. But what about the retiree who
has spent 40 years saving from their income in various ways. They
have a house and may even rent a couple out. They have an IRA account
and other savings. All of it may add up to several million dollars.
But, their income over years was often very modest.
[/quote]

And we>re talking an INCOME tax. Sheesh. Savings are not covered by
it. Are you confused or trying intentionally to create fear through
introducing confusion?

Guest

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:42:45 GMT, jim <jim10293@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]Remember what I am saying when you see it. Fucking idiots who have no
understanding of this socialism.
[/quote]
Well that certainly includes you. And you also seem to have no
understanding of income taxes or the proposals on the table.
Pretending income taxes will tax savings is disingenuous. And that>s
being kind. You are a fear mongerer and either confused or a liar.
Which is it??

Guest

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:12:46 -0700 (PDT), mg <mgkelson@yahoo.com>
wrote:

[quote]However, most of the taxes the idle rich
pay is based on capital gains and dividend payments which are taxed at
a
rate of 15%. In other words, a billionaire cashing dividend checks
pays at almost half the rate as the upper middle-class couple who have
worked their entire life to achieve the American dream.
[/quote]

Buffet notes his secretary pays 30% while he pays 17.8%.
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/taxes-warren-buffett-and-paying-my-fair-share/

*Poetic Justice* · Guest

retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:09:14 -0500, Starkiller
NoSpamSKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:56:22 -0700, retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:59:04 -0500, Starkiller
NoSpamSKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote:

"You cannot enrich the poor by impoverishing the rich."
robin hood did:)
He only gave temporary relief and a little charity.

If you destroy the wealthy then who do you think is going to give you
a paycheck? The government that taxes you for their own paycheck?
A little more tax is destroying them? LOL. More straw man nonsense.

Get honest grow a pair.
When have any of you fools ever said "a little more tax"?
Every time it is brought up you all have preached how you want to go
back to a 94% income tax. That>s not a little.
Get honest, quit lying.

[/quote]
This is exactly why we collapsed, people with money invested know that
if the Democrats get the "White House" and both Houses of Congress that
the taxes will go up and "Capital Gains Tax" will go way up, they need
to take all those gains before the election and it>s too late. Combine
that with the existing Democrat created crash in Mortgages and you>ve
got a stampede to get out of the Government controlled economy.

[quote]You>re lying again. Is that all you can do?

Most people are talking a return to the Reagan era 1987 rates of 38.5%
on those making over $250,000 or more.

Only the right wing liars and a few radicals are talking absurd
numbers like yours.

[/quote]
Liberals always want more, as soon as you get 38.5% you liberals will
want 78% then you>ll want 94%.... You are going to do what FDR did and
Socialize another large portion of the economy. The people who have
money want to keep it and they are leaving your soon to be socialist
economy.

--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL36nwCSYUM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJFO6COAMCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI
Can>t drill, can>t use alternatives, the only thing left is that the
Democrats want an energy shortage....

*Poetic Justice* · Guest

retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:12:46 -0700 (PDT), mg <mgkelson@yahoo.com
wrote:

However, most of the taxes the idle rich
pay is based on capital gains and dividend payments which are taxed at
a
rate of 15%. In other words, a billionaire cashing dividend checks
pays at almost half the rate as the upper middle-class couple who have
worked their entire life to achieve the American dream.

Buffet notes his secretary pays 30% while he pays 17.8%.
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/taxes-warren-buffett-and-paying-my-fair-share/
[/quote]
Thanks to the Liberals taxation plans.

--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL36nwCSYUM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJFO6COAMCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI
Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know where the nuts are?
-Gump that-

*Poetic Justice* · Guest

retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:42:45 GMT, jim <jim10293@gmail.com> wrote:

Remember what I am saying when you see it. Fucking idiots who have no
understanding of this socialism.

Well that certainly includes you. And you also seem to have no
understanding of income taxes or the proposals on the table.
Pretending income taxes will tax savings is disingenuous. And that>s
[/quote]
You>re pretending Obama hasn>t said he would double the Capital Gains
Tax.... How does that effect our "Savings".

[quote]being kind. You are a fear mongerer and either confused or a liar.
Which is it??
[/quote]

--
*Liberal Commandments*
1. Thou shalt always be a victim.
2. Spend thy Neighbors money to keep your Brothers in the comfort zone,
that which makes him happy.
3. That which is not Liberal is Evil, use any means possible to promote
Liberal/socialist agenda.
4. Do not covet Success and achievement, teach others to strive for
mediocrity.
5. Show your enemy your Bluster, before whining like a child.
6. Government is the only religion of man, serve no other cause.
7. Tithe all you have and will have to our cause, for that which is not
spent, will come back.
8. Believe in unconditional Peace and Love, so then shall you become
self important and omnipotent.
9. The truth of everything is that which you make it.
10. Life is above all else... until it would interfere with ones choice.

*Poetic Justice* · Guest

retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:42:45 GMT, jim <jim10293@gmail.com> wrote:

Raising taxes on the wealthy, or putting the rates back where they
were before Bush took office won>t destroy the wealthy.
What is 'wealthy' and where do they get their money? Bill Gates and
Buffet are certainly in that category. But what about the retiree who
has spent 40 years saving from their income in various ways. They
have a house and may even rent a couple out. They have an IRA account
and other savings. All of it may add up to several million dollars.
But, their income over years was often very modest.

And we>re talking an INCOME tax. Sheesh. Savings are not covered by
it. Are you confused or trying intentionally to create fear through
introducing confusion?
[/quote]
Higher income TAX means that you have less savings to put in the Bank or
stock market, Income tax does effect our savings. When you give it to
the Government, it>s not going into your savings.

--
*Liberal Commandments*
1. Thou shalt always be a victim.
2. Spend thy Neighbors money to keep your Brothers in the comfort zone,
that which makes him happy.
3. That which is not Liberal is Evil, use any means possible to promote
Liberal/socialist agenda.
4. Do not covet Success and achievement, teach others to strive for
mediocrity.
5. Show your enemy your Bluster, before whining like a child.
6. Government is the only religion of man, serve no other cause.
7. Tithe all you have and will have to our cause, for that which is not
spent, will come back.
8. Believe in unconditional Peace and Love, so then shall you become
self important and omnipotent.
9. The truth of everything is that which you make it.
10. Life is above all else... until it would interfere with ones choice.

*Poetic Justice* · Guest

*Poetic Justice* wrote:
[quote]retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:42:45 GMT, jim <jim10293@gmail.com> wrote:

Raising taxes on the wealthy, or putting the rates back where they
were before Bush took office won>t destroy the wealthy.
What is 'wealthy' and where do they get their money? Bill Gates and
Buffet are certainly in that category. But what about the retiree who
has spent 40 years saving from their income in various ways. They
have a house and may even rent a couple out. They have an IRA account
and other savings. All of it may add up to several million dollars.
But, their income over years was often very modest.

And we>re talking an INCOME tax. Sheesh. Savings are not covered by
it. Are you confused or trying intentionally to create fear through
introducing confusion?

Higher income TAX means that you have less savings to put in the Bank or
stock market, Income tax does effect our savings. When you give it to
the Government, it>s not going into your savings.

Then when you do get a few dollars to savings, Obama is promising to[/quote]
double the Capital Gains tax, that>s when you make money with your
savings. So good>ol Obama wants to get you coming and going.

--
*Liberal Commandments*
1. Thou shalt always be a victim.
2. Spend thy Neighbors money to keep your Brothers in the comfort zone,
that which makes him happy.
3. That which is not Liberal is Evil, use any means possible to promote
Liberal/socialist agenda.
4. Do not covet Success and achievement, teach others to strive for
mediocrity.
5. Show your enemy your Bluster, before whining like a child.
6. Government is the only religion of man, serve no other cause.
7. Tithe all you have and will have to our cause, for that which is not
spent, will come back.
8. Believe in unconditional Peace and Love, so then shall you become
self important and omnipotent.
9. The truth of everything is that which you make it.
10. Life is above all else... until it would interfere with ones choice.

Michael Coburn · Guest

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:32:00 -0400, *Poetic Justice* wrote:

[quote]*Poetic Justice* wrote:
retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:42:45 GMT, jim <jim10293@gmail.com> wrote:

Raising taxes on the wealthy, or putting the rates back where they
were before Bush took office won>t destroy the wealthy.
What is 'wealthy' and where do they get their money? Bill Gates and
Buffet are certainly in that category. But what about the retiree
who has spent 40 years saving from their income in various ways.
They have a house and may even rent a couple out. They have an IRA
account and other savings. All of it may add up to several million
dollars. But, their income over years was often very modest.

And we>re talking an INCOME tax. Sheesh. Savings are not covered by
it. Are you confused or trying intentionally to create fear through
introducing confusion?

Higher income TAX means that you have less savings to put in the Bank
or stock market, Income tax does effect our savings. When you give it
to the Government, it>s not going into your savings.

Then when you do get a few dollars to savings, Obama is promising to
double the Capital Gains tax, that>s when you make money with your
savings. So good>ol Obama wants to get you coming and going.
[/quote]
I don>t know why I bother. You have shown yourself to be totally
incompetent regarding taxation many times. Income taxation was the
politically expedient method of taxation adopted in the early part of the
last century because the farmers thought a "land value tax" would hit
them as opposed to the working people. The tax did not touch any wages
at its inception and it should not touch wages below about $50k now.
If that means that tax rates need to be 90% in order to fund government
then so be it.

The notion that higher income people should be given a tax break so they
will invest has been thoroughly debunked by reality. All they have done
is to line their greedy pockets and collect economic rent. The stupid
assertion that high income earners will quit their high income producing
activities and take up a pan handling position on a street corner has
also been nothing more that Laughter Curve stupidity since its inception.

You people are over.

Michael Coburn · Guest

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:26:15 -0400, *Poetic Justice* wrote:

[quote]retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:42:45 GMT, jim <jim10293@gmail.com> wrote:

Remember what I am saying when you see it. Fucking idiots who have no
understanding of this socialism.

Well that certainly includes you. And you also seem to have no
understanding of income taxes or the proposals on the table. Pretending
income taxes will tax savings is disingenuous. And that>s

You>re pretending Obama hasn>t said he would double the Capital Gains
Tax.... How does that effect our "Savings".
[/quote]
It doesn>t affect "our" savings. Any person living on a reasonable
income from dividends is not going to be adversely affected by a capital
gains tax increase. Those two forms of income were treated differently
in the past and one would assume that to be the case in the future. Now
is not the time, however, to be adjusting capital gains taxes. That is a
fine thing to do in theory but it is currently inappropriate. The
adjustments that need to be and that can be made in the near term are
increases in the progressive nature of the income tax.

Tax cuts for higher incomes have never made any economic sense and such
crap needs to be buried once and for all.

Guest

On Oct 9, 9:52 pm, Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
[quote]On Oct 9, 8:47 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:26:04 -0700 (PDT), Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
so far the free market has lost 2 trillion dollars alone out of 401k
plans recently.

and that was before today>s 700 point drop

correct. the bleeding from free market blunders is becoming a
avalanche. have you seen the pictures of the millions of unsold cars
piling up around the world? if you have, then you know, and i know you
do. that no matter what they do to try to turn this around, it will at
best, be short lived.
[/quote]
unfortunately the car dealers are now going to see their profit margin
cut. buying used cars for, say, $5,000 and selling them for $9,000
has been very easy money for them. and without having to have a
wrench turned on them. my heart feels so badly for the car
dealers........

and it>s not the car salesmen making the big money off of it, but the
general managers and owners of the dealerships.

Guest

On Oct 9, 10:01 pm, *Poetic Justice* <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
[quote]retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:26:04 -0700 (PDT), Vide...@tcq.net wrote:

so far the free market has lost 2 trillion dollars alone out of 401k
plans recently.

and that was before today>s 700 point drop

What did you expect when Obama wants to Double the taxes on capital
gains.... take all your gains now before he gets a chance to steal
twice as much of your money. It>s only the smart thing to do when you
get a Socialist Obama that might actually win.
[/quote]
Cite, please? Or are you on his council of advisers and giving this
info to us directly from him?

[quote]
Be prepared... things won>t be getting better if Obama wins and taxes
everything.

--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL36nwCSYUM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJFO6COAMCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI
It>s been said that a Communist is just a Socialist - - - with a gun.[/quote]

Guest

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:31:54 -0700 (PDT), Video61@tcq.net wrote:

[quote]On Oct 10, 10:11 am, *Poetic Justice* <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:09:14 -0500, Starkiller
NoSpamSKS_SK...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:56:22 -0700, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:59:04 -0500, Starkiller
NoSpamSKS_SK...@hotmail.com> wrote:

"You cannot enrich the poor by impoverishing the rich."
robin hood did:)
He only gave temporary relief and a little charity.

If you destroy the wealthy then who do you think is going to give you
a paycheck? The government that taxes you for their own paycheck?
A little more tax is destroying them? LOL. More straw man nonsense.

Get honest grow a pair.
When have any of you fools ever said "a little more tax"?
Every time it is brought up you all have preached how you want to go
back to a 94% income tax. That>s not a little.
Get honest, quit lying.

This is exactly why we collapsed, people with money invested know that
if the Democrats get the "White House" and both Houses of Congress that
the taxes will go up and "Capital Gains Tax" will go way up, they need
to take all those gains before the election and it>s too late. Combine
that with the existing Democrat created crash in Mortgages and you>ve
got a stampede to get out of the Government controlled economy.

You>re lying again. Is that all you can do?

Most people are talking a return to the Reagan era 1987 rates of 38.5%
on those making over $250,000 or more.

Only the right wing liars and a few radicals are talking absurd
numbers like yours.

Liberals always want more, as soon as you get 38.5% you liberals will
want 78% then you>ll want 94%.... You are going to do what FDR did and
Socialize another large portion of the economy. The people who have
money want to keep it and they are leaving your soon to be socialist
economy.

[/quote]

Keep whipping out those straw men. LOL.

President Obama. Say it with me now. Now that is Poetic Justice!

Guest

On Oct 10, 1:33 pm, *Poetic Justice* <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
[quote]retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:31:54 -0700 (PDT), Vide...@tcq.net wrote:

On Oct 10, 10:11 am, *Poetic Justice* <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:09:14 -0500, Starkiller
NoSpamSKS_SK...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:56:22 -0700, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:59:04 -0500, Starkiller
NoSpamSKS_SK...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"You cannot enrich the poor by impoverishing the rich."
robin hood did:)
He only gave temporary relief and a little charity.
If you destroy the wealthy then who do you think is going to give you
a paycheck? The government that taxes you for their own paycheck?
A little more tax is destroying them? LOL. More straw man nonsense..
Get honest grow a pair.
When have any of you fools ever said "a little more tax"?
Every time it is brought up you all have preached how you want to go
back to a 94% income tax. That>s not a little.
Get honest, quit lying.
This is exactly why we collapsed, people with money invested know that
if the Democrats get the "White House" and both Houses of Congress that
the taxes will go up and "Capital Gains Tax" will go way up, they need
to take all those gains before the election and it>s too late. Combine
that with the existing Democrat created crash in Mortgages and you>ve
got a stampede to get out of the Government controlled economy.

You>re lying again. Is that all you can do?
Most people are talking a return to the Reagan era 1987 rates of 38.5%
on those making over $250,000 or more.
Only the right wing liars and a few radicals are talking absurd
numbers like yours.
Liberals always want more, as soon as you get 38.5% you liberals will
want 78% then you>ll want 94%.... You are going to do what FDR did and
Socialize another large portion of the economy. The people who have
money want to keep it and they are leaving your soon to be socialist
economy.

Keep whipping out those straw men. LOL.

President Obama. Say it with me now. Now that is Poetic Justice!

You freezing your ass off and there is no oil or or coal or Nuclear
power to warm you. That will be Poetic Justice.

[/quote]
i have used wood pellets to heat my home for three years now. its a
by product of saw dust that used to be buried. i live in a very cold
northern climate, and my heat bills from wood pellets have not
exceeded $400.00, for sometimes as many as 6 straight months of
heating.
but i am a liberal, a free thinker, i am for change.

[quote]You going outside at zero degrees and your ELECTRIC CAR WON>T GO. That>s
Poetic Justice.

--
*Liberal Commandments*
1. Thou shalt always be a victim.
2. Spend thy Neighbors money to keep your Brothers in the comfort zone,
that which makes him happy.
3. That which is not Liberal is Evil, use any means possible to promote
Liberal/socialist agenda.
4. Do not covet Success and achievement, teach others to strive for
mediocrity.
5. Show your enemy your Bluster, before whining like a child.
6. Government is the only religion of man, serve no other cause.
7. Tithe all you have and will have to our cause, for that which is not
spent, will come back.
8. Believe in unconditional Peace and Love, so then shall you become
self important and omnipotent.
9. The truth of everything is that which you make it.
10. Life is above all else... until it would interfere with ones choice.[/quote]

Guest

On 10 Oct 2008 17:21:01 GMT, Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net>
wrote:

[quote]On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:26:15 -0400, *Poetic Justice* wrote:

retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:42:45 GMT, jim <jim10293@gmail.com> wrote:

Remember what I am saying when you see it. Fucking idiots who have no
understanding of this socialism.

Well that certainly includes you. And you also seem to have no
understanding of income taxes or the proposals on the table. Pretending
income taxes will tax savings is disingenuous. And that>s

You>re pretending Obama hasn>t said he would double the Capital Gains
Tax.... How does that effect our "Savings".
[/quote]

Another lie. SHow us where he said it.

<crickets>


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