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Italo · Guest

Martin Edwards wrote:

[quote]Italo wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:

Italo wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:

Italo wrote:

Kendall K Down wrote:

In message
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Italo <olati3@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ophel is well north of "city of David".

No it isn>t. Ophel is a ridge running south
from the Haram and ends in a low cliff -
probably man-made for defence. The city of
David was located on that ridge, as shown by
excavations conducted at various sites along
it.

Right. But another interpretation is that Ophel
is not synonymous with the city of David but a
fortification or tower, perhaps located just
outside the southern Haram wall.

Not only is it not synonymous, but there is no
evidence for any city of David, or any David,
outside the Bible.

The "Ir David" is a name for the old 'Jebusite'
center.. Remnants dating back to the middle bronze
age were found there, at Siloam/Silwan/Shelah/Silla
- or whatever the preferred spelling is, where it
was supposed to>ve been.

As for the Ophel, Josephus says "..a certain place
which they called Ophlas, where it [the city wall]
was joined to the eastern gallery of the temple."
If the temple was at the site of the al-Aqsa, then
I suppose that Ophel may>ve been where later was
the Silwan-gate. Maybe a gate-building, and perhaps
the same as the Siloam tower and the Millo. Now the
Millo and Ophel seem to be inside Ir-David/Siloam,
but 2 Kings 12:20 suggests rather that it may>ve
been _near_ Siloam: "And his servants arose, and
made a conspiracy, and smote Joash at the house of
Millo, [on the way] that goeth down to Silla."
IIUIC, the presumed late bronze age wall of the Ir
David does not reach all the way to the temple
mound, so if the Ophel was indeed touching on the
temple building, then _strictly speaking_ it can be
said to>ve been outside, to the north of, the Ir
David (if that is defined by its walls).

Thanks for the update, but how does it negate what I
said? There are piles of rocks reputed to be
Arthur>s seat all over the british Isles.

There is the phrase byt dwd on the Tel Dan stele.
Neither seems there anything obvious in the
archaeological data against the identification of that
area with the biblical City of David. It is ironic that
the area is now ethnically cleansed of the very people
who are "of the blood of David", the Palestinians.

As has been pointed out many times, the David could have
been anyone, and it was not, at least I don>t think so,
found in the part of Jerusalem under discussion.
[/quote]
'City of David' is a biblical toponym. To determinate a
location is not the same as arguing for the historicity of
king David.

[quote]Btw. In the Amarna letter 288 the vassal king of
Jerusalem mentions a "gate of Silu" as the location of
a triple killing, betrayed by servants. Which reminds
of how Joash was killed by his servants at the Millo,
on the way to Silla. Perhaps both at the same place
(the Silwan gate)?

Then again perhaps not.
[/quote]
Do you really believe that other identifications of Silu
(such as Sile/Tjaru) have more substance? If so, why?

--
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Colonel Sanders · Guest

On Oct 20, 2:14 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote]Martin Edwards wrote:

...

An interesting modern twist is that the British are now quite popular in
Greece, as they are quite respectful even if they don>t speak the
language. What they really dislike is Germans talking to them loudly in
English.

Unless I am mistaken the Brits are one of the few peoples who have not
invaded and conquered Greece. Perhaps they are simply making the best of a bad
lot.

--
God is a single parent who sent his son to earth on a suicide mission.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4065
http://www.giwersworld.org/palestine/answers.phtmla9
[/quote]
That is not true, Greece is a NATO member making it a British vassal,
effectively.

I would recommend a book by Daniele Ganser.

Nato>s Secret Armies - Operation Gladio And Terrorism In Western
Europe - 2005

Roger Gelder · Guest

Idiot!
They>re Family, didn>t you know?
Ours married their (ex) prince, far
far stronger than two hands in her hands,
kiss on both cheeks, top & bottom, no
divorce with a headman>s axe (out-of-date
technology). Start reading the London
Gazette 1947 November editions, far,far better than
some obscure Euro pseudo analyst, who is 3 years
out-of-date [2005? Move back, not on].
Beside, I watched it happen, can>t fool me
with all this wishful thinking nonsense.
My God, America will be wanting Independance
from their French Statue of Liberty before you
know it and Oz will be applying for Dutch
Dependency status and a share of North Sea gas,
all based on wreckage in Queensland creeks!
What is the World coming to, now it is no longer
subject to our ENGLISH gunboats
[Hang Nato & the UK, bring back ENGLAND].
roj
singing :-
Rule Brittania,
Marmalade & Jam
4 chinese crackers where it hurts,
Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang.
[Note:- Brittania refers to offshore island of Roman Empire]
that>s the archaeological bit - don>t you just love it?

"Colonel Sanders" <themailbox@unwired.com.au> wrote in message
news:be01865b-dd97-4bdf-b6ce-77ab3e28402b@d10g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 20, 2:14 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote]Martin Edwards wrote:

An interesting modern twist is that the British are now quite popular in
Greece, as they are quite respectful even if they don>t speak the
language. What they really dislike is Germans talking to them loudly in
English.

Unless I am mistaken the Brits are one of the few peoples who have not
invaded and conquered Greece. Perhaps they are simply making the best of a
bad
lot.
snip[/quote]

That is not true, Greece is a NATO member making it a British vassal,
effectively.

I would recommend a book by Daniele Ganser.

Nato>s Secret Armies - Operation Gladio And Terrorism In Western
Europe - 2005

Colonel Sanders · Guest

On Oct 21, 4:34 pm, Martin Edwards <big_mart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]Colonel Sanders wrote:
On Oct 20, 2:14 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards wrote:

...

An interesting modern twist is that the British are now quite popular in
Greece, as they are quite respectful even if they don>t speak the
language. What they really dislike is Germans talking to them loudly in
English.
Unless I am mistaken the Brits are one of the few peoples who have not
invaded and conquered Greece. Perhaps they are simply making the best of a bad
lot.

--
God is a single parent who sent his son to earth on a suicide mission.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4065
http://www.giwersworld.org/palestine/answers.phtmla9

That is not true, Greece is a NATO member making it a British vassal,
effectively.

I would recommend a book by Daniele Ganser.

Nato>s Secret Armies - Operation Gladio And Terrorism In Western
Europe - 2005

What a load of bollocks. Britain and the rest of NATO are all American
vassals. The nationalist right, on the other hand, wants to get out of
the EU, perhaps the greatest example of barking up the worng tree in
history.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”
[/quote]
Rockefeller>s UN is an ideological continuation Cecil Rhodes dream of
a global
empire, the European, Asian and American cooperation structures are
just the
preparation steps towards One World Government. The US is just a
corporate
playground. What is the leverage that US has over the UK? They don>t
even have the
right print their own money. Perhaps you will be right to think that
the Trillionaire
Anglo-American Globalists have no patriotic affiliations of any sort.
A good profiteer
never allows old-fashioned sentiments to get in the way of a good
money grab.

Matt Giwer · Guest

Italo wrote:
[quote]Matt Giwer wrote:
Italo wrote: ..

There is the phrase byt dwd on the Tel Dan stele.

There is the single word BYTDWD. EVERY usage of BYT is is
of a place to live, from shack to palace to temple to
town (BYTLHM, Bethlehem) to geographic area.

Suppose it means 'City of David'.
[/quote]
That does not fit the context.

[quote]One could consider that
David is an eponymic name inferred from the toponym, like
plenty examples from Greek and Roman mythology.
Then the origin of the toponym is the question.
As epithet of a deity dwd may also just mean 'the beloved'.
There was apparently also a deity Wadd ('love') in central
Arabia. In south Arabia Wadd seems to>ve been a name for the
moon god.
On the other hand, mesopotamian god names Dada, Dadu, Dadadu
seem to be variants of Adad/Hadad.
[/quote]
Because words used as names such as beloved remain words if you want an a
region named beloved, fine with me. But you can>t elevate a meaning to a
proper name.

[quote]Not a single usage of BYT is as DYNASTY as the Brits use
the word house is found in bibleland.

The British use of the word house was also ancient use.

e.g.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?layout.reflang=greek;layout.refembed=2;layout.refwordcount=1;layout.refdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057;layout.reflookup=oi%29%2Fkoio;layout.refcit=entry%3Da%29%2Fnac;doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3D%2372358

oikos, 'house' - III. a reigning house, oi. ho basileos
Hdt.5.31 , cf.6.9, Th. 1.137, Isoc.3.41 ; AgamemnoniÃƒÂ´n oikÃƒÂ´n
olethron A.Ch.862 (anap.), cf. S.Ant.594(lyr.) ; also of any
family, Is.10.4, LXXGe.7.1, D.H.1.85 ;
[/quote]
oikos is not BYT. That there is a word that may be interchangeable with
dynasty is one thing. That the translator chooses the word house in the
British sense is unrelated to what I said.

[quote]If in fact you should disagree you are FREE to present
those examples from non-biblical sources in bibleland.

One has to be profoundly ignorant of a lot of things not
to understand one cannot interchange meanings on one
language with meanings in another.

Semantics are often comparable. The ancient world was more
interconnected as you think.
[/quote]
It is not a matter of having the same ideas. It is the inference that a word
which can mean house among many others can also assume British meanings of the
word house. BYT does not mean house. The TRANSLATION given to BYT depends upon
the word associated with it. It is happenstance that the preferred translation
when BYT refers to a nobody it is translated house (if to a king it is
translated palace, if to a god then temple) and that house also in English is
used to mean dynasty.

Anyone can test this with no knowledge of any other language. Go to google>s
translation page and translate a word to another language then translate it
back. We have bottle cap and baseball cap. Those are not the same word in
other languages.

[quote]http://www.giwersworld.org/ancient-history/david.phtml
has details. You will note from the picture there are
dots separating words. BYTDWD is one word like BYTLHM,
Bethlehem.

Neither seems there anything obvious in the
archaeological data against the identification of that
area with the biblical City of David. It is ironic that
the area is now ethnically cleansed of the very people
who are "of the blood of David", the Palestinians.

Archaeology is a science. Science does not work that way.
There must be physical evidence found before one can make
a single positive statement. We do know that Egypt ruled
the region at the time David was supposed to have been
king. That bit of fact found in Egypt clearly demonstrates the bible
is no more than the childish
fiction it appears to be.

If you want read strictly hard facts you can always go read
a telephone book.
[/quote]
And if you want to talk a science like archaeology then you stick to known
facts. It is not meant to justify any and all fanciful ideas about the ancient
world.

[quote]Btw. In the Amarna letter 288 the vassal king of
Jerusalem mentions a "gate of Silu" as the location of
a triple killing, betrayed by servants. Which reminds
of how Joash was killed by his servants at the Millo,
on the way to Silla. Perhaps both at the same place
(the Silwan gate)?

Must has been found which shows the source of the
inspiration for names and such that served the creators
of the fantasy stories in the OT.

A good place for an ambush can remain so even 500 years
later. A narrow passageway perhaps, or an open crossing
between two fortified locations (one on the temple mount and
the other at the 'city of David'/Siloah.)
[/quote]
And that same pass can be used as the setting for a fanciful story created at
any time even today. So what? Try Leon Uris' Masada if you like bible stories.
Were it not for the very unflattering story in Josephus absolutely nothing
would be known about that event. Compare Josephus to Uris. What is not in
Josephus is modern creation.

[quote]All this time you have been talking around the subject.
Finally you say enough to show you are simply retreading
the long discredited nonsense of other believers.
[/quote]
--
The enemy of your enemy is not your friend when
his strategy is divide and conquer.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4067
http://www.giwersworld.org a1

Matt Giwer · Guest

jerry warner wrote:
[quote]Kendall K Down wrote:
In message <7a23e210-5112-41a7-919e-2d480de44e09@a2g2000prm.googlegrou
ps.com
"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:
Although this is not exactly what I am talking about it does nail down the
Zionist objection to what I am saying.
This has nothing to do with sci.lang.
Followups set.
It has nothing to do with archaeology either - it>s just Matt the
Pratt airing his nasty nazi views yet again.

calm down - you might learn something. Calling Matt a
Nazi! alone tells me you have a lot of lot to learn. Good
luck.
[/quote]
So far as I can tell, my crime is not believing in the stories in the Old
Testament. If that is the case then well over half the Jews in the world are
Nazis to his mind.

When Nazi becomes an all purpose epithet many strange things happen.

--
Seems to me becoming a POW is second only to getting killed on the
list of screw ups a military man can make.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4073
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Martin Edwards · Guest

Italo wrote:
[quote]Martin Edwards wrote:

Italo wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:

Italo wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:

Italo wrote:

Kendall K Down wrote:

In message
4c519$48f7764d$524b090b$22539@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl
Italo <olati3@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ophel is well north of "city of David".

No it isn>t. Ophel is a ridge running south
from the Haram and ends in a low cliff -
probably man-made for defence. The city of David was located on
that ridge, as shown by
excavations conducted at various sites along
it.

Right. But another interpretation is that Ophel
is not synonymous with the city of David but a
fortification or tower, perhaps located just
outside the southern Haram wall.

Not only is it not synonymous, but there is no
evidence for any city of David, or any David,
outside the Bible.

The "Ir David" is a name for the old 'Jebusite'
center.. Remnants dating back to the middle bronze
age were found there, at Siloam/Silwan/Shelah/Silla
- or whatever the preferred spelling is, where it
was supposed to>ve been.

As for the Ophel, Josephus says "..a certain place
which they called Ophlas, where it [the city wall]
was joined to the eastern gallery of the temple."
If the temple was at the site of the al-Aqsa, then
I suppose that Ophel may>ve been where later was
the Silwan-gate. Maybe a gate-building, and perhaps
the same as the Siloam tower and the Millo. Now the
Millo and Ophel seem to be inside Ir-David/Siloam,
but 2 Kings 12:20 suggests rather that it may>ve been _near_
Siloam: "And his servants arose, and
made a conspiracy, and smote Joash at the house of
Millo, [on the way] that goeth down to Silla."
IIUIC, the presumed late bronze age wall of the Ir
David does not reach all the way to the temple
mound, so if the Ophel was indeed touching on the temple building,
then _strictly speaking_ it can be
said to>ve been outside, to the north of, the Ir
David (if that is defined by its walls).

Thanks for the update, but how does it negate what I
said? There are piles of rocks reputed to be
Arthur>s seat all over the british Isles.

There is the phrase byt dwd on the Tel Dan stele. Neither seems there
anything obvious in the
archaeological data against the identification of that
area with the biblical City of David. It is ironic that
the area is now ethnically cleansed of the very people
who are "of the blood of David", the Palestinians.

As has been pointed out many times, the David could have
been anyone, and it was not, at least I don>t think so,
found in the part of Jerusalem under discussion.

'City of David' is a biblical toponym. To determinate a
location is not the same as arguing for the historicity of
king David.

Btw. In the Amarna letter 288 the vassal king of
Jerusalem mentions a "gate of Silu" as the location of
a triple killing, betrayed by servants. Which reminds
of how Joash was killed by his servants at the Millo,
on the way to Silla. Perhaps both at the same place
(the Silwan gate)?

Then again perhaps not.

Do you really believe that other identifications of Silu
(such as Sile/Tjaru) have more substance? If so, why?

It is all supposition. This is what bedevils, as it were, the debate.[/quote]
Believers start with a piece of evidence, and simply assume that it is
evidence of what they already believe.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

Martin Edwards · Guest

Colonel Sanders wrote:
[quote]On Oct 20, 2:14 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards wrote:

...

An interesting modern twist is that the British are now quite popular in
Greece, as they are quite respectful even if they don>t speak the
language. What they really dislike is Germans talking to them loudly in
English.
Unless I am mistaken the Brits are one of the few peoples who have not
invaded and conquered Greece. Perhaps they are simply making the best of a bad
lot.

--
God is a single parent who sent his son to earth on a suicide mission.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4065
http://www.giwersworld.org/palestine/answers.phtmla9

That is not true, Greece is a NATO member making it a British vassal,
effectively.

I would recommend a book by Daniele Ganser.

Nato>s Secret Armies - Operation Gladio And Terrorism In Western
Europe - 2005
[/quote]
What a load of bollocks. Britain and the rest of NATO are all American
vassals. The nationalist right, on the other hand, wants to get out of
the EU, perhaps the greatest example of barking up the worng tree in
history.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

jerry warner · Guest

Kendall K Down wrote:

[quote]In message <7a23e210-5112-41a7-919e-2d480de44e09@a2g2000prm.googlegrou
ps.com
"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

Although this is not exactly what I am talking about it does nail down the
Zionist objection to what I am saying.

This has nothing to do with sci.lang.
Followups set.

It has nothing to do with archaeology either - it>s just Matt the
Pratt airing his nasty nazi views yet again.

Ken Down

[/quote]
calm down - you might learn something. Calling Matt a
Nazi! alone tells me you have a lot of lot to learn. Good
luck.

[quote]
--
================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ===============
| Australia>s premier archaeological magazine |
| http://www.diggingsonline.com |
========================================================[/quote]

Matt Giwer · Guest

Italo wrote:
[quote]Martin Edwards wrote:
....
As has been pointed out many times, the David could have
been anyone, and it was not, at least I don>t think so,
found in the part of Jerusalem under discussion.

'City of David' is a biblical toponym. To determinate a
location is not the same as arguing for the historicity of
king David.

Btw. In the Amarna letter 288 the vassal king of
Jerusalem mentions a "gate of Silu" as the location of
a triple killing, betrayed by servants. Which reminds
of how Joash was killed by his servants at the Millo,
on the way to Silla. Perhaps both at the same place
(the Silwan gate)?
Then again perhaps not.

Do you really believe that other identifications of Silu
(such as Sile/Tjaru) have more substance? If so, why?
[/quote]
You are arguing to your conclusions. You try to explain everything in terms
of the OT myths. By definition the OT requires faith. Faith is incompatible
with reason in general and archaeology in particular as the latter is a science.

We have well known and indisputable facts. In the 5th c. BC Herodotus was in
the region and found the Syrians of Palestine or Palestine-Syrians depending
on how you like it translated. Two centuries later Alexander conquered the
region going directly from Tyre to Egypt without a side trip to Jerusalem.
Neither Herodotus nor the chroniclers of Alexander mention any Judeans/Jews or
any people who could have been them.

Everyone has to face the fact that Jews do not appear in the world nor their
stories or famous people until after Alexander. And archaeology does not find
anything showing there were any Jews prior to Alexander. The cult of Yahweh
appeared after Alexander with a wholly invented history much as the appearance
of the Latter Day Saints with the invented Book of Mormon. The LDS is an
invented religion as is Islam and Scientology and also so is Judaism. It
appears out of no where after Alexander. There is no evidence of a prior
existence.

Those are the facts. Nothing can be changed without the discovery of new
facts. As bibleland is percentagewise the most dug place in the world, even
Jewish Israeli archaeologists have given up on finding anything of interest.

--
I have a Covenant with God, a new book exposing Abraham>s most
successful scam.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4064
http://www.giwersworld.org/holo/ a8

Kendall K Down · Guest

In message <375d96b1-3426-4724-9e66-3d05aee02df5@f77g2000hsf.googlegro
ups.com>
"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

[quote]On Oct 23, 2:36 am, Martin Edwards <big_mart...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Paleography is useless for dating purposes. People like me, who have
relearned to write from "Teach Yourself Handwriting" write in a similar
way to Elizabeth I. People who write as I was taught in the 1950s write
in a style originating in the eighteenth century.

Just because _you_ can>t see a difference between your handwriting and
your great-great-grandparents' doesn>t mean that someone who knows
what they>re looking for can>t.
[/quote]
Exactly.

Ken Down

--
================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ===============
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| http://www.diggingsonline.com |
========================================================

George · Guest

On Oct 23, 8:56 pm, Kendall K Down <webmas...@diggingsonline.com>
wrote:

[quote]But I>ll bet that 1) you don>t spell like the 18th century, 2) you use
words and expressions that didn>t exist in the 18th century, and 3)
your writing style isn>t as close to that of the 18th century as you
imagine.
[/quote]
One example is genealogy where village and family names suffered
varieties of spellings.
Taking it that matt the nazis 18th century is the same as ours.

Matt Giwer · Guest

Martin Edwards wrote:
[quote]Kendall K Down wrote:
In message <48fab078$0$5452$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
There is no evidence for any "Jebusites" outside of the bible.
Poor ol' Matt the Pratt. He can>t see anything from his trailer park.

I take this to mean that there is, indeed, such evidence, but you do not
cite it.
[/quote]
He has no concept of evidence beyond what convinces little old christian
ladies that he fleeces.

--
The greater Israel>s atrocities the more antisemitic
it is to mention them.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4070
http://www.giwersworld.org/holo/nizgas3.html a4

Matt Giwer · Guest

George wrote:
[quote]On Oct 23, 8:56 pm, Kendall K Down <webmas...@diggingsonline.com
wrote:
But I>ll bet that 1) you don>t spell like the 18th century, 2) you use
words and expressions that didn>t exist in the 18th century, and 3)
your writing style isn>t as close to that of the 18th century as you
imagine.

One example is genealogy where village and family names suffered
varieties of spellings.
[/quote]
So a person using an 18th c. spelling today is over 200 years old.

It is obvious that an old spelling can be used forever. The only thing an old
form can do it estimate the earliest date. It can tell nothing of any later
date. There must be a dozen "olde townes" in the US where this can be tested.

[quote]Taking it that matt the nazis 18th century is the same as ours.
[/quote]
Why do immature fools like yourself get such a thrill from lying about
people? Are you sociopaths?

--
Seems to me the worst was a soldier can fail is to get killed.
Seems to me the second worst way is to become a POW.
I do not see what that has to do with being president.
--The Iron Webmaster, 4075
http://www.giwersworld.org/palestine/answers.phtml a9

Matt Giwer · Guest

Kendall K Down wrote:
[quote]In message <48ffec95$0$4949$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:

There is a house in New England which is in fact the house which has the
stories of hauntings and possession associated with it. Why should we not
believe the Hollywood movies about it?
Betty and Barney Hill were real people. Why should we not believe they
are abducted by aliens?
But the analogy fails as the bible has no correct information about the times
in which the stories were supposed to have taken place.

You mean, Matt the Pratt asserts that the Bible has no correct
information. Real scholars have no doubts that the Bible has some
correct information.
[/quote]
You mean to say you believe hauntings and alien abductions. No wonder you are
so strange.

As to the facts, I have higher standards than the little old ladies you rob
of their savings telling them the same crap you are trying to peddle here.

[quote]You have a financial interest in the silly bible stories being true.
As you have a financial interest there is nothing credible you can say on the
subject.

While we have no information about the beliefs of those who subscribe
to our magazines, we do know that the majority of those on our tours
are not Christians and the information we give them is strictly
historical - drawing upon all sources of information, including the
Bible.
[/quote]
All educated people know real history contradicts the bible myths. Only
people stupid enough to pay you are stupid enough to believe them.

[quote]The problem is that Matt the Pratt is insanely jealous because we are
successful - and he still sulks on his tatty little trailer park.
[/quote]
You are a crook, a thief, a con artist, a liar and a charlatan.

--
Newman is the best known jew in the world.
Not Paul, Alfred E.
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