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Kendall K Down · Guest

In message <48f56233$0$13057$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:

[quote]The truth cannot be antisemitic.
[/quote]
Very true - but Matt the Pratt has never yet told the truth.

[quote]If in fact Silwan has never been called the city of David why is it this and
other articles all assert that it is? Why are you lying?
[/quote]
Because newspaper journalists are not archaeologists: some of them are
even as ignorant as you are.

Ken Down

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Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Oct 14, 3:21 am, Kendall K Down <webmas...@diggingsonline.com>
wrote:
[quote]In message <52e5df1e-6f0c-423b-a732-e2c0b620e...@l76g2000hse.googlegro
ups.com
JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:

So much so that you thumpers get excited over things like,
well, like "Hezekiah>s Tunnel."

Sure we do - even now, after doing it I forget how many times, I still
get a thrill out of wading through the thing.
[/quote]
Nothing to do with sci.lang.

Followups set.

Matt Giwer · Guest

Martin Edwards wrote:
[quote]Matt Giwer wrote:
Martin Edwards wrote:
Kendall K Down wrote:
In message <7yiHk.13027$gZ3.6947@newsfe16.ams2
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote:
I surmise, but perhaps the intention is to tease out whatever
archaelogical evidence there may be. In fact there is some of a sort,
though spurious. For example the ruins in Silwan are called "the city
of David" on no other basis than they are about the right age based on
the Bible. Thus the Bible is used to confirm itself.
Yet again you leap to the defence of your idiot idol. Matt the Pratt
has no other intention than to try and propagate his nasty nazi
fantasies - and you, by supporting him, are showing yourself to be
as nasty and anti-semitic.
In addition, you are showing yourself to be as ignorant and
opiniated as he is: the ruins in Silwan have never been called the
city of David. Silwan lies on the opposite side of the Kidron to the
area called "the city of David".
Thanks for the update. And the evidence of a connection is?
As I have pointed out many times this scam is being fronted by the
fruitcake who claims two parallel rows of stones are David>s palace.
Several articles have been posted on Eldad>s fraud and her fronting
it. The place is indeed called city of David and once again Down is
lying.

Maybe they both are. Believers are not known for observing the unities.
[/quote]
He said Silwan is not when in fact it is. That has nothing to do with more
than one area having the same name.

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Martin Edwards · Guest

Matt Giwer wrote:
[quote]Martin Edwards wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Martin Edwards wrote:
Kendall K Down wrote:
In message <7yiHk.13027$gZ3.6947@newsfe16.ams2
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote:
I surmise, but perhaps the intention is to tease out whatever
archaelogical evidence there may be. In fact there is some of a
sort,
though spurious. For example the ruins in Silwan are called "the
city
of David" on no other basis than they are about the right age
based on
the Bible. Thus the Bible is used to confirm itself.
Yet again you leap to the defence of your idiot idol. Matt the
Pratt has no other intention than to try and propagate his nasty
nazi fantasies - and you, by supporting him, are showing yourself
to be as nasty and anti-semitic.
In addition, you are showing yourself to be as ignorant and
opiniated as he is: the ruins in Silwan have never been called the
city of David. Silwan lies on the opposite side of the Kidron to
the area called "the city of David".
Thanks for the update. And the evidence of a connection is?
As I have pointed out many times this scam is being fronted by
the fruitcake who claims two parallel rows of stones are David>s
palace. Several articles have been posted on Eldad>s fraud and her
fronting it. The place is indeed called city of David and once again
Down is lying.

Maybe they both are. Believers are not known for observing the unities.

He said Silwan is not when in fact it is. That has nothing to do
with more than one area having the same name.

Yeah, I was really cracking a joke. I keep forgetting about American[/quote]
literal-mindedness.

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has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From â€œRollerballâ€

Italo · Guest

Kendall K Down wrote:

[quote]In message
48f563c7$0$13081$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:

As I have pointed out many times this scam is being
fronted by the fruitcake who claims two parallel rows
of stones are David>s palace. Several articles have
been posted on Eldad>s fraud and her fronting it.

The Ophel has been excavated by a number of
archaeologists, including Dame Kathleen Kenyon. The
findings are considerably more than "two parallel rows of
stones".
[/quote]
Ophel is well north of "city of David".

[quote]
The place is indeed called city of David and once again
Down is lying.

Silwan has never been called "the city of David".

Ken Down

[/quote]
The place that historically is known as Silwan is in the
south part of the so-called 'city of David'.

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Italo · Guest

Italo wrote:

[quote]Kendall K Down wrote:

In message
48f563c7$0$13081$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:

As I have pointed out many times this scam is being
fronted by the fruitcake who claims two parallel rows
of stones are David>s palace. Several articles have
been posted on Eldad>s fraud and her fronting it.

The Ophel has been excavated by a number of
archaeologists, including Dame Kathleen Kenyon. The
findings are considerably more than "two parallel rows
of stones".

Ophel is well north of "city of David".
[/quote]
Where I take Ophel / `Opel to mean the south end of the
temple mount.
According to the Tübingen Bible Atlas, around 1000 BC the
fortified area was expanded north beyond the `Ir David (i.e.
the bronze age citadel) to include `Opel and the whole of
the temple mount.

[quote]The place is indeed called city of David and once
again Down is lying.

Silwan has never been called "the city of David".

Ken Down

The place that historically is known as Silwan is in the
south part of the so-called 'city of David'.

[/quote]

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Matt Giwer · Guest

Martin Edwards wrote:
[quote]Matt Giwer wrote:
Martin Edwards wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Martin Edwards wrote:
Kendall K Down wrote:
In message <7yiHk.13027$gZ3.6947@newsfe16.ams2
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote:
I surmise, but perhaps the intention is to tease out whatever
archaelogical evidence there may be. In fact there is some of a
sort,
though spurious. For example the ruins in Silwan are called "the
city
of David" on no other basis than they are about the right age
based on
the Bible. Thus the Bible is used to confirm itself.
Yet again you leap to the defence of your idiot idol. Matt the
Pratt has no other intention than to try and propagate his nasty
nazi fantasies - and you, by supporting him, are showing yourself
to be as nasty and anti-semitic.
In addition, you are showing yourself to be as ignorant and
opiniated as he is: the ruins in Silwan have never been called the
city of David. Silwan lies on the opposite side of the Kidron to
the area called "the city of David".
Thanks for the update. And the evidence of a connection is?
As I have pointed out many times this scam is being fronted by
the fruitcake who claims two parallel rows of stones are David>s
palace. Several articles have been posted on Eldad>s fraud and her
fronting it. The place is indeed called city of David and once again
Down is lying.

Maybe they both are. Believers are not known for observing the unities.

He said Silwan is not when in fact it is. That has nothing to do
with more than one area having the same name.

Yeah, I was really cracking a joke. I keep forgetting about American
literal-mindedness.
[/quote]
You should keep in mind that inflection does not come across in writing.

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Matt Giwer · Guest

Kendall K Down wrote:
[quote]In message <48f563c7$0$13081$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
As I have pointed out many times this scam is being fronted by the fruitcake
who claims two parallel rows of stones are David>s palace. Several articles
have been posted on Eldad>s fraud and her fronting it.

The Ophel has been excavated by a number of archaeologists, including
Dame Kathleen Kenyon. The findings are considerably more than "two
parallel rows of stones".
[/quote]
As I have said to you many times about these fool claims, when there is a
professional publication let me know about it. Until then there is nothing
more than discovery by press release. Considering these claims are used to
support a clearly immoral if not criminal activity I am not holding my breath
for the professional publication.

[quote]The place is indeed called city of David and once again Down is lying.

Silwan has never been called "the city of David".
[/quote]
You have just read again one the the newspaper articles which have been
posted in this newsgroup which confirms the fact that is what it is being
called today as part of this jewish landgrab. Are you also illiterate?

--
Newman is the best known jew in the world.
Not Paul, Alfred E.
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Matt Giwer · Guest

Kendall K Down wrote:
[quote]In message <48f56233$0$13057$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
The truth cannot be antisemitic.

Very true - but Matt the Pratt has never yet told the truth.
[/quote]
That the Old Testament is all myth is a fact. The miracles should have been
your first hint.

[quote]If in fact Silwan has never been called the city of David why is it this and
other articles all assert that it is? Why are you lying?

Because newspaper journalists are not archaeologists: some of them are
even as ignorant as you are.
[/quote]
As you know this "discovery" has never been published in the professional
literature. It has only been in press releases. You have read at least two of
the press releases which were published in the Jerusalem Post in this
newsgroup saying the same thing. Why do you continue to lie about it?

Until there are peer reviewed, professional publications on this find it is
not science.

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successful scam.
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Martin Edwards · Guest

Kendall K Down wrote:
[quote]In message <UOXIk.17568$Zl2.2438@newsfe01.ams2
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote:

I surmise, but perhaps the intention is to tease out whatever
archaelogical evidence there may be. In fact there is some of a sort,
though spurious. For example the ruins in Silwan are called "the city
of David" on no other basis than they are about the right age based on
the Bible. Thus the Bible is used to confirm itself.

Yet again you leap to the defence of your idiot idol. Matt the Pratt
has no other intention than to try and propagate his nasty nazi
fantasies - and you, by supporting him, are showing yourself to be as
nasty and anti-semitic.

In addition, you are showing yourself to be as ignorant and opiniated
as he is: the ruins in Silwan have never been called the city of
David. Silwan lies on the opposite side of the Kidron to the area
called "the city of David".

Thanks for the update. And the evidence of a connection is?

Archaeology.

Ken Down

All of it, or just some?[/quote]

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has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

Kendall K Down · Guest

In message <48f7d42e$0$13072$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:

[quote]Very true - but Matt the Pratt has never yet told the truth.

That the Old Testament is all myth is a fact.
[/quote]
That Matt the Pratt doesn>t know his myth from his elbow is a fact.

[quote]Until there are peer reviewed, professional publications on this find it is
not science.
[/quote]
Try doing some research, Matt the Pratt - and this time include
peer-reviewed professional publications, instead of basing everything
on newspaper articles and Hollywood films.

Indiana Jones wasn>t a real archaeologist, you know.

Ken Down

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================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ===============
| Australia>s premier archaeological magazine |
| http://www.diggingsonline.com |
========================================================

Kendall K Down · Guest

In message <48f7d239$0$13067$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:

[quote]The Ophel has been excavated by a number of archaeologists, including
Dame Kathleen Kenyon. The findings are considerably more than "two
parallel rows of stones".

As I have said to you many times about these fool claims, when there is a
professional publication let me know about it. Until then there is nothing
more than discovery by press release. Considering these claims are used to
support a clearly immoral if not criminal activity I am not holding my breath
for the professional publication.
[/quote]
Considering that Dame Kathleen Kenyon *did* publish - unlike a few
modern Israeli archaeologists - your ignorance is noted.

[quote]You have just read again one the the newspaper articles which have been
posted in this newsgroup which confirms the fact that is what it is being
called today as part of this jewish landgrab. Are you also illiterate?
[/quote]
I thought you were against basing anything on newspaper articles?

Ken Down

--
================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ===============
| Australia>s premier archaeological magazine |
| http://www.diggingsonline.com |
========================================================

Kendall K Down · Guest

In message <4c519$48f7764d$524b090b$22539@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>
Italo <olati3@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]Ophel is well north of "city of David".
[/quote]
No it isn>t. Ophel is a ridge running south from the Haram and ends in
a low cliff - probably man-made for defence. The city of David was
located on that ridge, as shown by excavations conducted at various
sites along it.

[quote]The place that historically is known as Silwan is in the
south part of the so-called 'city of David'.
[/quote]
Silwan is located on the east side of the Kidron Valley, *opposite*
the Ophel ridge. In modern times it has spread down onto the valley
floor and it is possible that the modern administrative area
encompassing historical Silwan and the area south of the Haram may be
known as Silwan, but I am not aware of that.

Ken Down

--
================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ===============
| Australia>s premier archaeological magazine |
| http://www.diggingsonline.com |
========================================================

Italo · Guest

Kendall K Down wrote:
[quote]In message
4c519$48f7764d$524b090b$22539@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl
Italo <olati3@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ophel is well north of "city of David".

No it isn>t. Ophel is a ridge running south from the
Haram and ends in a low cliff - probably man-made for
defence. The city of David was located on that ridge, as
shown by excavations conducted at various sites along it.

Right. But another interpretation is that Ophel is not[/quote]
synonymous with the city of David but a fortification or
tower, perhaps located just outside the southern Haram wall.

[quote]The place that historically is known as Silwan is in
the south part of the so-called 'city of David'.

Silwan is located on the east side of the Kidron Valley,
*opposite* the Ophel ridge. In modern times it has spread
down onto the valley floor and it is possible that the
modern administrative area encompassing historical Silwan
and the area south of the Haram may be known as Silwan,
but I am not aware of that.

Ken Down

[/quote]
'historically' because I don>t have a map showing the modern
situation, but Silwan did not originate east of the Kidron.
IIUIC, the medieval village was in the area of the City of
David, from the Spring of Siloam (Gihon/Shiloah) in the N.E.
to the Pool of Siloam in the S.W.

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Matt Giwer · Guest

Kendall K Down wrote:
[quote]In message <48f7d239$0$13067$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
The Ophel has been excavated by a number of archaeologists, including
Dame Kathleen Kenyon. The findings are considerably more than "two
parallel rows of stones".
As I have said to you many times about these fool claims, when there is a
professional publication let me know about it. Until then there is nothing
more than discovery by press release. Considering these claims are used to
support a clearly immoral if not criminal activity I am not holding my breath
for the professional publication.

Considering that Dame Kathleen Kenyon *did* publish - unlike a few
modern Israeli archaeologists - your ignorance is noted.
[/quote]
citation please

Finkelstein and Silverman still say she is, in professional terms, an idiot.

[quote]You have just read again one the the newspaper articles which have been
posted in this newsgroup which confirms the fact that is what it is being
called today as part of this jewish landgrab. Are you also illiterate?

I thought you were against basing anything on newspaper articles?
[/quote]
There is NOTHING but newspaper articles regarding her bogus find. But you
know that. You will not produce a single citation of a professional
publication of hers because there are none. You know that.

Why must you lie?

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founder condemned the evil of slavery.
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