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Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Oct 8, 3:02 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote]Tom McDonald wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Oct 6, 3:28 am, Martin Edwards <big_mart...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
If you remember the last round of this you may remember it
differently than I present it here.
Not bad, but go through it to remove howlers like "The
/Greek/ has Virgo". Ththththththththththththththththth!
Also Josephus was indeed in the first revolt, which was in
66. Interestingly, the independent state of 66-70 was
called Israel, so it obviously had some meaning, if only a flokloric
one.

There>s no reason to prosecute this thread in sci.lang.

Nor in sci.archaeology.

But, this being Giwer>s thread, he>ll spam it to sci.land and
sci.archaeology just because he can.

It is the total absence of archaeological evidence of a culture which could
have created and preserved the OT prior to the arrival of the Greeks that puts
it into the field of archaeology.
[/quote]
There is no reason to prosecute this thread in sci.lang.

Followups set.

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Oct 8, 3:12 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote]Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Oct 6, 3:28 am, Martin Edwards <big_mart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
If you remember the last round of this you may remember it
differently than I present it here.
Not bad, but go through it to remove howlers like "The /Greek/ has
Virgo". Ththththththththththththththththth! Also Josephus was indeed in
the first revolt, which was in 66. Interestingly, the independent state
of 66-70 was called Israel, so it obviously had some meaning, if only a
flokloric one.
There>s no reason to prosecute this thread in sci.lang.

As certain denizens of sci.lang claimed there was evidence from "hebrew"
itself which was as good as archaeological artifacts, you for one, then is
this not an opportunity for believers such as yourself to present that evidence?

In the process of the last exchange
[/quote]
There is no reason to pursue _another_ such waste of time in sci.lang.

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Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Oct 8, 3:31 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote]Cormac wrote:

"The Greeks invented history???" What about the Hittites, Egyptians,
'Indians' and Chinese?

Herodotus, the father of history was a Greek. Therefore Greeks get the credit
in our way of looking at things.
[/quote]
This has nothing to do with sci.lang.

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Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Oct 8, 2:36 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote]font size="+1">Speculation as to origins follows</font
[/quote]
This has nothing to do with sci.lang.

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Bart Mathias · Guest

Matt Giwer wrote:
[quote][...]
It is the total absence of archaeological evidence of a culture
which could have created and preserved the OT prior to the arrival of
the Greeks that puts it into the field of archaeology. [...]
[/quote]
If a lack of archaeological evidence makes the topic relevant to
archeology, shouldn>t you include many more groups, say sci.astr,
sci.biology, sci.geo, etc.? After all, there seems to be no
astronomical, biological, or geological evidence for such a culture
either. Your argument is probably reducible.

Bart Mathias

Kendall K Down · Guest

In message <48ec5b1b$0$4920$2318a52a@unlimited.newshosting.com>
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:

[quote]It is the total absence of archaeological evidence of a culture which could
have created and preserved the OT prior to the arrival of the Greeks
that puts it into the field of archaeology.
[/quote]
So the (alleged) lack of archaeology makes it an archaeological
subject? Presumably the lack of linguistics would make it a linguistic
subject, the lack of astronomy would make it an astronomical subject
and so on.

[quote]One of the reasons for posting a thread to a conference is to be refuted. So
again, if anyone here can recite archaeological evidence of such a
civilization in bibleland then sci.archaeology is a place to expect to find
those people.
[/quote]
For the benefit of anyone new to these newsgroups, Matt the Pratt has
been presented with the evidence many times. Earlier this year we had
a couple of posters who so overwhelmed him with evidence that he
pulled his head in and stopped posting until he was sure they had gone
away. Now he>s back spouting his nasty anti-semitic nonsense and
hoping we all have short memories.

Ken Down

--
================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ===============
| Australia>s premier archaeological magazine |
| http://www.diggingsonline.com |
========================================================

Cormac · Guest

On Oct 8, 11:31 am, Elijahovah <rschil...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
[quote]Darwin>s human evolution is a maximum final deviant
from the truth and reality.
[/quote]
We are discussing ancient myths not science fact.

Cormac.

Matt Giwer · Guest

Elijahovah wrote:
....
[quote]Moses wrote Genesis in 1512 BC and his exodus being sothic
[/quote]
Moses is a myth as is Exodus. So also are Abraham, Adam, Noah, David, Solomon
and his temple and biblical Israel.

Get over it.

--
The Hebrew translation of the Old Testament appears in history
centuries after the original Septuagint appears.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4053
http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/bombings.phtml a5

Matt Giwer · Guest

Elijahovah wrote:
[quote]If the Hebrew is from the Septuagint then it would mean
the year 6000 is 800 AD instead of 1975 AD.
And that would mean God has done nothing for 1200 years.
The chronologers who used the Septuagint to claim 500 AD
was year 6000 is like believing the Septuagint came from
true beleivers in India. Are we to accredit the Jews as being
not keepers of the truth and the faith but rather the deviant
deserters of it ?
[/quote]
What does the enumeration of years have to do with anything? Jewish years got
numbered roughly the same time Christian years got numbered, around the turn
of the first millennium when the idea became popular as part of the
replacement of the Julian calendar. The previous nth year in the reign of X
was cumbersome at best and made reconciling all the local datings an area of
expertise and study.

--
Of all the views of the afterlife including none at all, not a single one of
them suggests anyone dead gives a shit about being remembered.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4062
http://www.giwersworld.org/holo/nizgas3.html a4

Matt Giwer · Guest

Bart Mathias wrote:
[quote]Matt Giwer wrote:
[...]
It is the total absence of archaeological evidence of a culture
which could have created and preserved the OT prior to the arrival of
the Greeks that puts it into the field of archaeology. [...]

If a lack of archaeological evidence makes the topic relevant to
archeology, shouldn>t you include many more groups, say sci.astr,
sci.biology, sci.geo, etc.? After all, there seems to be no
astronomical, biological, or geological evidence for such a culture
either. Your argument is probably reducible.
[/quote]
Archaeology is the primary basis for our knowledge of ancient cultures.
Percentagewise bibleland is the most dug place on the planet. It is also
relevant to archaeology in that so many believers present "evidence" of
nothing more than human habitation as evidence of the whole megilah -- to
continue the metaphor. If you are unaware of this regular intrusion of
believers to save us you are a newbie to the newsgroup.

Unlike you I attempt to limit my original posts only to those directly
relevant. In this case by actual content of the sci.archaeology as well as by
the charter which does include finds in bibleland it is relevant to raise
contrary information.

For example, The Bible Unearthed, has been discussed in it without objection.
That too is a total rejection of everything substantive found in the Old
Testament. Even though it is a starting point for many professional agnostics
it makes assumptions which put the creation of the Old Testament a few
centuries earlier than I place it.

I view this as though there were a common belief in the existence of Atlantis
and I am simply showing there is no evidence for that belief. It is a an
insidious belief, as insidious as any religion.

--
Hodie postridie Nonas Novembres MMVIII est
-- The Ferric Webcaesar
http://www.giwersworld.org a1

Martin Edwards · Guest

Bart Mathias wrote:
[quote]Matt Giwer wrote:
[...]
It is the total absence of archaeological evidence of a culture
which could have created and preserved the OT prior to the arrival of
the Greeks that puts it into the field of archaeology. [...]

If a lack of archaeological evidence makes the topic relevant to
archeology, shouldn>t you include many more groups, say sci.astr,
sci.biology, sci.geo, etc.? After all, there seems to be no
astronomical, biological, or geological evidence for such a culture
either. Your argument is probably reducible.

Bart Mathias
[/quote]
I surmise, but perhaps the intention is to tease out whatever
archaelogical evidence there may be. In fact there is some of a sort,
though spurious. For example the ruins in Silwan are called "the city
of David" on no other basis than they are about the right age based on
the Bible. Thus the Bible is used to confirm itself.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From â€œRollerballâ€

Martin Edwards · Guest

Elijahovah wrote:
[quote]Darwin>s human evolution is a maximum final deviant
from the truth and reality.
[/quote]
Loony killfiled.
--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

Kendall K Down · Guest

In message <48ed7e3f$0$13057$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:

[quote]I view this as though there were a common belief in the existence of Atlantis
and I am simply showing there is no evidence for that belief. It is a an
insidious belief, as insidious as any religion.
[/quote]
The difference being that there is plenty of evidence to support the
historical accounts of the Bible - as you have been told repeatedly.

Ken Down

--
================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ===============
| Australia>s premier archaeological magazine |
| http://www.diggingsonline.com |
========================================================

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Oct 8, 11:45 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote]Bart Mathias wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
[...]
It is the total absence of archaeological evidence of a culture
which could have created and preserved the OT prior to the arrival of
the Greeks that puts it into the field of archaeology. [...]
If a lack of archaeological evidence makes the topic relevant to
archeology, shouldn>t you include many more groups, say sci.astr,
sci.biology, sci.geo, etc.? After all, there seems to be no
astronomical, biological, or geological evidence for such a culture
either. Your argument is probably reducible.

Archaeology is the primary basis for our knowledge of ancient cultures.
Percentagewise bibleland is the most dug place on the planet. It is also
relevant to archaeology in that so many believers present "evidence" of
nothing more than human habitation as evidence of the whole megilah -- to
continue the metaphor. If you are unaware of this regular intrusion of
believers to save us you are a newbie to the newsgroup.

Unlike you I attempt to limit my original posts only to those directly
relevant. In this case by actual content of the sci.archaeology
[/quote]
This has nothing to do with sci.lang.

Followups set.

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Oct 9, 3:34 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
[quote]Although this is not exactly what I am talking about it does nail down the
Zionist objection to what I am saying.
[/quote]
This has nothing to do with sci.lang.

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