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 Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:34 pm Post subject: Scientific Research on Music - ? |
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Recently, I recieved an E-mail that contained the following "reseach
on music". Can someone please give a scietific argument for/again it.
Regards,
A H
ps. I appologize in advance, if this isn>t the right group for this
post.
Any advice as to the correct group is welcome.
SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH ON MUSIC
Now we see by some scientific evidences that up to what extent these
“hypothesis” are valid. In this respect there are two
major changes which are observed in a person during listening music by
different scientists. These changes & there detail is as follows:
1. Release of Adrenaline:
The first thing which is discovered in latest research is that, while
listening music “adrenaline” is released in human body in
high quantity. Adrenaline is a hormone which is released in human body
under stress conditions. & in normal situation very low quantity of
this hormone is released.
It is discovered that adrenaline release constantly during listening
music & this release of adrenaline cause restlessness & insomnia in
the body. Along with it there are many adverse effects of the
adrenaline release in high quantities.
The first hypothesis that “music relaxes the man” has been
rejected by the excessive release of adrenaline.
2. Harm to nerves:
A very famous doctor Born Alder of the Columbia University America
took an experiment on the 15-20 year old girls & he found that
“The best melodious record of music can badly harm the nerves of
the human body “ he also encode that theses effects enhance in
the summer season & also increases with time. These nerve disorders
also result in the anger, depression, and restlessness & in many
behavioral disorders which is common in our society.
3. Effect of low music on body:
It was also observed during this research that “music
technicians most of the time are not in their senses”. Although
it has seen that most of the time they use low sounds of music. But it
has been seen during the search since last year that “these low
voice music directly effect on the receptors of the body & usually
they effect on the Barr receptor, which are sensitive for
pressure.”
4. Development of Animal instinct:
It is also find out in these researches on music that “music
develops animal instinct in human”
There are three basic animal instincts:
a. They don’t wear cloths.
b. They eat food while standing.
c. They are busy in searching out of their partners for sexual
gratification.
And we see that in our very social & civilized societies these three
animal instincts are very common in those people which used to
listening music very frequently.
5. Effect on Limbic system:
It was observed that while listening music limbic system which control
the emotions first activate slightly. And this slight activation of
limbic system creates pleasure. But it is also observed that constant
listening of music activate limbic system more adversely & this result
in the anger & depression.
6. Effect of music during driving:
In Jan 2000 Sosuns Click from America observed that “those
drivers which listen music while driving respond after 0.12
second.” In his research he took 10 to 18 years old girls; he
gave them a road in which various sign boards are posted. On this
track first he allow them to drive without music & then to drive with
music. & a difference of 0.12 seconds was observed. & Sosuns states
that “this difference is the difference of life & death”
It was also observed that while listening music drivers completely
ignore the side traffic and it accidents happened.
7. Effect on fetus:
The adverse effects of music also occur on the fetus (unborn baby). &
this effect is due to the sound waves of music.
8. Effect on Child:
The person who listen music in their childhood can’t develop the
study & language skills. & it has seen that these people confuse many
sounds & slowly these effects results in deafness.
9. Effect on listening:
We measure music sounds in Pascal & a 120 Pascal voice is consider as
“noise” & in the music concerts this voice exceed 120
Pascal. This at the end slowly leads to deafness.
10. Hypnotism:
It has also been seen that the children are hypnotized by the music.
And sometimes they suddenly start dancing while music played although
they don’t understand the songs |
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Ken Catchpole
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Scientific Research on Music - ? |
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"Adnan" <ahrizvee@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Recently, I recieved an E-mail that contained the following "reseach
on music". Can someone please give a scietific argument for/again it.
Regards,
A H
[/quote]
I seriously hope that you are joking.
This is utter, utter rot, written by someone who not only has no
understanding of music, sound, sound measurement, psychology, culture,
environment, the animal kingdom, the human body, or indeed science of any
description, but also a very poor command of the English language. They
clearly could not construct a coherent argument if their own bizarre
loathing of music depended upon it.
Please please please read carefully and critically everything that it says,
and try to understand for yourself why this must be utter and complete
drivel.
Ken. |
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Adnan
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Scientific Research on Music - ? |
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No Ken, its not a joke.
Some bigots out there are really trying to convince people that music
is harmful by quoting reliable research out of context and using
falacious reasoning. The unfortunate part is that this "research" is
actually being taken seriously by many, because of it purported
scientific nature.
I just wish someone could write a rebuttal, if only for the
satisfaction of having the author eat his words.
Regards,
A H
"Ken Catchpole" <k.catchpole@ich.ucl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<bgb9s5$g2c$1@uns-a.ucl.ac.uk>...
[quote]"Adnan" <ahrizvee@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:adcf748d.0307310534.3243c907@posting.google.com...
Recently, I recieved an E-mail that contained the following "reseach
on music". Can someone please give a scietific argument for/again it.
Regards,
A H
I seriously hope that you are joking.
This is utter, utter rot, written by someone who not only has no
understanding of music, sound, sound measurement, psychology, culture,
environment, the animal kingdom, the human body, or indeed science of any
description, but also a very poor command of the English language. They
clearly could not construct a coherent argument if their own bizarre
loathing of music depended upon it.
Please please please read carefully and critically everything that it says,
and try to understand for yourself why this must be utter and complete
drivel.
Ken.[/quote] |
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John H.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:05 am Post subject: Re: Scientific Research on Music - ? |
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Adnan, the rebuttal of this is simple. If music is that bad for us, then all
musicians should be nutcases past 40 years of age. From what I can gather
though, with the exception of certain classes of music, musicians can live
long, fruitful, and cognitively competent lives. Eg. the wonderful Karajan
died recently, still conducting, into his 80>s I believe. Or the Jazz wonder
Grapelli, learnt the violin in his 50>s\60>s! Sure, lots of nerve damage
there ... Mick Jagger, Bowie, ... any number of contemporary musicians,
despite severe drug abuse early in life, appear to be doing rather well into
their 50>s and 60>s. You don>t need scientific evidence to expel bullshit,
common sense is usually enough.
Adnan, there is always some nut out there promoting some totally fucked idea
about this or that. We just have to accept the fact that we the best logic
in the world won>t stop people believing in myth a,b, or c.
John H.
--
johnYYYcoe@tpg.com.au
remove YYY in reply
"Adnan" <ahrizvee@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:adcf748d.0307310534.3243c907@posting.google.com...
[quote]Recently, I recieved an E-mail that contained the following "reseach
on music". Can someone please give a scietific argument for/again it.
Regards,
A H
ps. I appologize in advance, if this isn>t the right group for this
post.
Any advice as to the correct group is welcome.
SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH ON MUSIC
Now we see by some scientific evidences that up to what extent these
“hypothesis” are valid. In this respect there are two
major changes which are observed in a person during listening music by
different scientists. These changes & there detail is as follows:
1. Release of Adrenaline:
The first thing which is discovered in latest research is that, while
listening music “adrenaline” is released in human body in
high quantity. Adrenaline is a hormone which is released in human body
under stress conditions. & in normal situation very low quantity of
this hormone is released.
It is discovered that adrenaline release constantly during listening
music & this release of adrenaline cause restlessness & insomnia in
the body. Along with it there are many adverse effects of the
adrenaline release in high quantities.
The first hypothesis that “music relaxes the man” has been
rejected by the excessive release of adrenaline.
2. Harm to nerves:
A very famous doctor Born Alder of the Columbia University America
took an experiment on the 15-20 year old girls & he found that
“The best melodious record of music can badly harm the nerves of
the human body “ he also encode that theses effects enhance in
the summer season & also increases with time. These nerve disorders
also result in the anger, depression, and restlessness & in many
behavioral disorders which is common in our society.
3. Effect of low music on body:
It was also observed during this research that “music
technicians most of the time are not in their senses”. Although
it has seen that most of the time they use low sounds of music. But it
has been seen during the search since last year that “these low
voice music directly effect on the receptors of the body & usually
they effect on the Barr receptor, which are sensitive for
pressure.”
4. Development of Animal instinct:
It is also find out in these researches on music that “music
develops animal instinct in human”
There are three basic animal instincts:
a. They don’t wear cloths.
b. They eat food while standing.
c. They are busy in searching out of their partners for sexual
gratification.
And we see that in our very social & civilized societies these three
animal instincts are very common in those people which used to
listening music very frequently.
5. Effect on Limbic system:
It was observed that while listening music limbic system which control
the emotions first activate slightly. And this slight activation of
limbic system creates pleasure. But it is also observed that constant
listening of music activate limbic system more adversely & this result
in the anger & depression.
6. Effect of music during driving:
In Jan 2000 Sosuns Click from America observed that “those
drivers which listen music while driving respond after 0.12
second.” In his research he took 10 to 18 years old girls; he
gave them a road in which various sign boards are posted. On this
track first he allow them to drive without music & then to drive with
music. & a difference of 0.12 seconds was observed. & Sosuns states
that “this difference is the difference of life & death”
It was also observed that while listening music drivers completely
ignore the side traffic and it accidents happened.
7. Effect on fetus:
The adverse effects of music also occur on the fetus (unborn baby). &
this effect is due to the sound waves of music.
8. Effect on Child:
The person who listen music in their childhood can’t develop the
study & language skills. & it has seen that these people confuse many
sounds & slowly these effects results in deafness.
9. Effect on listening:
We measure music sounds in Pascal & a 120 Pascal voice is consider as
“noise” & in the music concerts this voice exceed 120
Pascal. This at the end slowly leads to deafness.
10. Hypnotism:
It has also been seen that the children are hypnotized by the music.
And sometimes they suddenly start dancing while music played although
they don’t understand the songs[/quote] |
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Dick Beldin
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Scientific Research on Music - ? |
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Believing "experts" without evidence leads to evolution in action. People who are too simple to survive, won>t.
"Ken Catchpole" <k.catchpole@ich.ucl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:bgdvf7$2nq$1@uns-a.ucl.ac.uk...
[quote]
I just wish someone could write a rebuttal, if only for the
satisfaction of having the author eat his words.
Much of the research quoted is not reliable, nor is it properly quoted, with
authors, year, and journal refences, as a proper scentific description
would. Unfortunately, if people are stupid enough believe this rubbish, I
don>t believe there is anything that I could say that would make them think
otherwise, because they cannot have the capacity to appreciate a reasoned
argument from an unreasoned one - or indeed, good science from bad science.
Against, my better judgement, some seleceted criticisms:
SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH ON MUSIC
1. Release of Adrenaline:
snipped out lots of drivel regarding adrenaline. Yes, adrenaline is a
powerful arousal hormone. Yes, it *can* be released by music. But no, it
it>s not constantly released by music and no, it>s not all music that causes
the release of adrenaline, and no, adrenaline is not harmful.
The first hypothesis that “music relaxes the man” has been
rejected by the excessive release of adrenaline.
yet people have relaxed to it for 1000>s of years; and mothers sing their
babies to sleep.
2. Harm to nerves:
A very famous doctor Born Alder of the Columbia University America
took an experiment on the 15-20 year old girls & he found that
“The best melodious record of music can badly harm the nerves of
the human body “ he also encode that theses effects enhance in
the summer season & also increases with time. These nerve disorders
also result in the anger, depression, and restlessness & in many
behavioral disorders which is common in our society.
1) a 'very famous doctor' that I>ve never heard of.
2) what is the 'best melodious record'?
3) what nerves are harmed and how?
3. Effect of low music on body:
I presume he means low frequency music rather than low intensity ('volume')
music.....why just music; why not 'low frequency sound in general'.
It was also observed during this research that “music
What reasearch?
technicians most of the time are not in their senses”. Although
How did the scientists measure the amount they were 'in their senses'?
How did they ensure that they did not hear the sound and 'lose their
senses'?
Whoever wrote this article has certainly lost his senses, but it>s more
likely to be from drugs or a large hit on the head than from music.
it has seen that most of the time they use low sounds of music. But it
has been seen during the search since last year that “these low
voice music directly effect on the receptors of the body & usually
they effect on the Barr receptor, which are sensitive for
pressure.”
As far as I know there is no receptor in the body called the Barr receptor.
Pressure = intensity = volume. Frequency = tone (high or low note).
What this appears to be saying is that quiet voice sounds (a whisper, for
example) affect some non-existent sensor in the body.
The truth: low *frequency* sounds can have effects on the body, but music is
found at those low frequencies, because generally speaking the greatest
effect on the body will be found at (ISTR) 4 Hz, which is outside the range
of auditory perception (=20Hz to 20 kHz). At very high volume (ISTR) a 4 Hz
sound *might* induce motion sickness, but this effect is will stop as soon
as the sound is switche off.
5. Effect on Limbic system:
It was observed that while listening music limbic system which control
the emotions first activate slightly. And this slight activation of
limbic system creates pleasure. But it is also observed that constant
listening of music activate limbic system more adversely & this result
in the anger & depression.
Observed by whom, where and how?
I>m sure there is no correlation between depression and the amount of music
heard; indeed, probably quite the opposite!
6. Effect of music during driving:
In Jan 2000 Sosuns Click from America observed that “those
drivers which listen music while driving respond after 0.12
second.” In his research he took 10 to 18 years old girls; he
gave them a road in which various sign boards are posted. On this
track first he allow them to drive without music & then to drive with
music. & a difference of 0.12 seconds was observed. & Sosuns states
that “this difference is the difference of life & death”
1) States a 0.12s difference, but doesn>t say in which direction; it might
be 0.12s improvement!
2) Why did he test 10-18 year olds - they can>t drive!
3) If you drive in a configuration where 0.12s is the difference between
life and death, you are likely to die even if you turn your music off.
4) Variation in reaction times across the population - and particularly
older people - is probably more that 0.12s. So, we ought to stop old people
driving before we turn off the radios in our cars.
It was also observed that while listening music drivers completely
ignore the side traffic and it accidents happened.
By whom and when? I hope they weren>t travelling in the car at the time.
7. Effect on fetus:
The adverse effects of music also occur on the fetus (unborn baby). &
this effect is due to the sound waves of music.
1) What advese effects?; music is actually good for an unborn baby.
2) Sound waves enter the womb all the time. What is so special about music,
compared to, say, the voice of the mother (which will be of a similar
intensity and similar frequency) that makes it so harmful?
3) Ultrasound scans are used thousands of times every day to look at fetus'
without any harmful effects.
8. Effect on Child:
The person who listen music in their childhood can’t develop the
study & language skills. & it has seen that these people confuse many
sounds & slowly these effects results in deafness.
Hearing loss happens as a natural part of old age whether you listen to
music or not. Studies have shown that tribes unexposed to music or loud
sounds will experience hearing loss in old age.
9. Effect on listening:
We measure music sounds in Pascal & a 120 Pascal voice is consider as
“noise” & in the music concerts this voice exceed 120
Pascal. This at the end slowly leads to deafness.
1) No, you measure pressure in Pascals. The standard way to measure the
*intensity* of sound is in decibels, which is a logarithmic scale calibrated
relative to 20 micropascals.
2) In general, hearing damage relates to intensity (decibels) and length of
exposure time. For health & safety legislation, and average of 85dB for 8
hours per day, 5 days per week, for 20 years, is likely to lead to noise
induced hearing loss. Though I>ve not measured it, a full orchestra at it
highest probably only reaches 95dB -or-so, and exposure to this sort of
sound is not 40 hours per week for 20 years.
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