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bnzoo
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 Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: Science And The Climate |
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18 October 2008
Sir, every one of the reasons that you have advanced for alarm and
consequent panic action has been demonstrated to be hollow and without
any scientific foundation or merit.
Yet, if your proposal to close down three-fifths of the economy of the
United States is to be justifiable, then not only the false scientific
propositions but also the false policy propositions that you have
advanced must be shown to be true.
Here, then, are ten propositions, with each of which you appear to
agree, each of which is actually false.
All of these propositions must be proven true before any action is taken
to tamper with the climate, still less the fatal, self-inflicted wounds
that you would invite your nation to make to her economy:
1. "The scientists, politicians, and media behind 'global warming'
are honest":
They are not;
2. "The debate is over and all credible climate scientists are
agreed":
They are not;
3. "Temperature today has risen exceptionally fast, above natural
variability":
It has not;
4. "Changes in solar activity do not much impact today>s global
warming":
They do;
5. "Greenhouse-gas increases are the main reason why it is getting
warmer":
They are not;
6. "The fingerprint of anthropogenic greenhouse warming is clearly
present":
It is absent;
7. "Computer models are accurate enough to predict the climate
reliably":
They cannot be;
8. "Global warming is to blame for present and future climate
disasters":
It is not;
9. "Mitigating climate change will be cost-effective":
It will not;
10. "Taking precautions, just in case, would be the responsible
course":
It would not be.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/an_open_letter_from_the_viscou_2.html
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Warmest Regards
Bonzo
"If scientists say they are 100% sure, or that they are absolutely
certain about the cause and effect and ignore variables which might show
that they could be wrong, they are practicing junk science. Junk science
happens when scientists believe something based on just some of what
they see." |
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Claude Hopper
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Science And The Climate |
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The glaciers started melting 10,000 years ago because of the cave man>s
camp fires putting all that C02 in the air. Plus mammoth farts.
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Claude Hopper :)
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Live Bush or Die
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Science And The Climate |
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Claude Hopper <boobooililililil@roadrunner.com> wrote:
[quote]The glaciers started melting 10,000 years ago because of the cave man>s
camp fires putting all that C02 in the air. Plus mammoth farts.
another eminent scientist speaks out over the big socialist global warming[/quote]
conspiracy. are you a senior fellow with the heritage institute by any
chance? |
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Live Bush or Die
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Science And The Climate |
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bnzoo <bnzoo@rs.com> wrote:
[quote]
http://www.americanthinker.com
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American thinker tells me what to think, and I>m just a pathetic wannabe
American like you.
I get all my science from American Thinker, Canada Free Press, National
Revue, Front Page Magazine and World Net Daily because the mainstream cult of
science is a socialist plot.
[quote]--
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Tartarus
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Science And The Climate |
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On Oct 28, 12:13 am, "bnzoo" <bn...@rs.com> wrote:
[quote]18 October 2008
Sir, every one of the reasons that you have advanced for alarm and
consequent panic action has been demonstrated to be hollow and without
any scientific foundation or merit.
Yet, if your proposal to close down three-fifths of the economy of the
United States is to be justifiable, then not only the false scientific
propositions but also the false policy propositions that you have
advanced must be shown to be true.
Here, then, are ten propositions, with each of which you appear to
agree, each of which is actually false.
All of these propositions must be proven true before any action is taken
to tamper with the climate, still less the fatal, self-inflicted wounds
that you would invite your nation to make to her economy:
1. "The scientists, politicians, and media behind 'global warming'
are honest":
They are not;
2. "The debate is over and all credible climate scientists are
agreed":
They are not;
3. "Temperature today has risen exceptionally fast, above natural
variability":
It has not;
4. "Changes in solar activity do not much impact today>s global
warming":
They do;
5. "Greenhouse-gas increases are the main reason why it is getting
warmer":
They are not;
6. "The fingerprint of anthropogenic greenhouse warming is clearly
present":
It is absent;
7. "Computer models are accurate enough to predict the climate
reliably":
They cannot be;
8. "Global warming is to blame for present and future climate
disasters":
It is not;
9. "Mitigating climate change will be cost-effective":
It will not;
10. "Taking precautions, just in case, would be the responsible
course":
It would not be.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/an_open_letter_from_the_viscou...
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Warmest Regards
Bonzo
[/quote]
I suspect you don>t know enough about it to have a worthwhile opinion.
Tartarus |
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Don H
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Science And The Climate |
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"bnzoo" <bnzoo@rs.com> wrote in message news:4906ad81$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
[quote]
18 October 2008
Sir, every one of the reasons that you have advanced for alarm and
consequent panic action has been demonstrated to be hollow and without
any scientific foundation or merit.
Yet, if your proposal to close down three-fifths of the economy of the
United States is to be justifiable, then not only the false scientific
propositions but also the false policy propositions that you have
advanced must be shown to be true.
Here, then, are ten propositions, with each of which you appear to
agree, each of which is actually false.
All of these propositions must be proven true before any action is taken
to tamper with the climate, still less the fatal, self-inflicted wounds
that you would invite your nation to make to her economy:
1. "The scientists, politicians, and media behind 'global warming'
are honest":
They are not;
2. "The debate is over and all credible climate scientists are
agreed":
They are not;
3. "Temperature today has risen exceptionally fast, above natural
variability":
It has not;
4. "Changes in solar activity do not much impact today>s global
warming":
They do;
5. "Greenhouse-gas increases are the main reason why it is getting
warmer":
They are not;
6. "The fingerprint of anthropogenic greenhouse warming is clearly
present":
It is absent;
7. "Computer models are accurate enough to predict the climate
reliably":
They cannot be;
8. "Global warming is to blame for present and future climate
disasters":
It is not;
9. "Mitigating climate change will be cost-effective":
It will not;
10. "Taking precautions, just in case, would be the responsible
course":
It would not be.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/an_open_letter_from_the_viscou_2.html
--
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
"If scientists say they are 100% sure, or that they are absolutely
certain about the cause and effect and ignore variables which might show
that they could be wrong, they are practicing junk science. Junk science
happens when scientists believe something based on just some of what
they see."
[/quote]
# Humans are a mad lot. They will swallow whole all the guff dished out by
religionists, economists, modern artists, and rock bands - yet when a
conservative and careful bunch, such as scientists, timidly suggest that all
is not well, Climate Skeptics arise who claim the scientists haven>t a clue
what they are talking about, or, if they do, then they>re lying and acting
out of self-interest.
Which is one reason why I predict the decimation or extinction of Homo
Sapiens by 2050 AD. We are too many, and too stupid, to survive.
Our huge world population of 6.5 billion human locusts is chomping away
daily, eliminating all other species of plant and animal, plundering
resources (which we can>t use up quickly enough), and, aided by our massive
technology, polluting our habitat.
Yeah, and being aggressive, nuclear war will finish off what
human-modified Nature doesn>t complete.
Meanwhile, we dispute about the effect of CO2, while chimneys belch
their huge volumes of smoke daily.
Fortunately, Skeptics may be in a shrinking minority, and most govts are
taking the scientists' warning seriously.
However, even so, any excuse to postpone action (eg current economic
meltdown) is seized on.
With strenuous effort, Homo Sap may avoid extinction, but it may already
be too late. Inertia is a powerful force. |
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Trevor Wilson
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Science And The Climate |
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"Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:ryKNk.9150$sc2.8948@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
[quote]"bnzoo" <bnzoo@rs.com> wrote in message
news:4906ad81$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
18 October 2008
Sir, every one of the reasons that you have advanced for alarm and
consequent panic action has been demonstrated to be hollow and without
any scientific foundation or merit.
Yet, if your proposal to close down three-fifths of the economy of the
United States is to be justifiable, then not only the false scientific
propositions but also the false policy propositions that you have
advanced must be shown to be true.
Here, then, are ten propositions, with each of which you appear to
agree, each of which is actually false.
All of these propositions must be proven true before any action is taken
to tamper with the climate, still less the fatal, self-inflicted wounds
that you would invite your nation to make to her economy:
1. "The scientists, politicians, and media behind 'global warming'
are honest":
They are not;
2. "The debate is over and all credible climate scientists are
agreed":
They are not;
3. "Temperature today has risen exceptionally fast, above natural
variability":
It has not;
4. "Changes in solar activity do not much impact today>s global
warming":
They do;
5. "Greenhouse-gas increases are the main reason why it is getting
warmer":
They are not;
6. "The fingerprint of anthropogenic greenhouse warming is clearly
present":
It is absent;
7. "Computer models are accurate enough to predict the climate
reliably":
They cannot be;
8. "Global warming is to blame for present and future climate
disasters":
It is not;
9. "Mitigating climate change will be cost-effective":
It will not;
10. "Taking precautions, just in case, would be the responsible
course":
It would not be.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/an_open_letter_from_the_viscou_2.html
--
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
"If scientists say they are 100% sure, or that they are absolutely
certain about the cause and effect and ignore variables which might show
that they could be wrong, they are practicing junk science. Junk science
happens when scientists believe something based on just some of what
they see."
# Humans are a mad lot. They will swallow whole all the guff dished out
by
religionists, economists, modern artists, and rock bands - yet when a
conservative and careful bunch, such as scientists, timidly suggest that
all
is not well, Climate Skeptics arise who claim the scientists haven>t a
clue
what they are talking about, or, if they do, then they>re lying and acting
out of self-interest.
Which is one reason why I predict the decimation or extinction of Homo
Sapiens by 2050 AD. We are too many, and too stupid, to survive.
Our huge world population of 6.5 billion human locusts is chomping away
daily, eliminating all other species of plant and animal, plundering
resources (which we can>t use up quickly enough), and, aided by our
massive
technology, polluting our habitat.
Yeah, and being aggressive, nuclear war will finish off what
human-modified Nature doesn>t complete.
Meanwhile, we dispute about the effect of CO2, while chimneys belch
their huge volumes of smoke daily.
Fortunately, Skeptics may be in a shrinking minority, and most govts
are
taking the scientists' warning seriously.
However, even so, any excuse to postpone action (eg current economic
meltdown) is seized on.
With strenuous effort, Homo Sap may avoid extinction, but it may
already
be too late. Inertia is a powerful force.
[/quote]
**Sadly, I agree with every word you just wrote. I see a very bleak future.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au |
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