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Jack Linthicum · Guest

Maybe we will pull a Tallinn-Valkyrie duplication and cancel out of
the ABM. But the Russians can spend the money and waste the assets, a
lot we care. I do wonder, however, what off-line jamming of a X-band
radar would consist of.

Russia seeks new missiles due to U.S. shield plans

Conor Sweeney
Reuters North American News Service

Nov 28, 2008 08:51 EST

MOSCOW, Nov 28 (Reuters) - Russia has intensified efforts to develop
new ballistic missiles in response to U.S. plans to deploy an anti-
missile system in Europe, Interfax news agency quoted a top Russian
general as saying on Friday.

The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.

Colonel-General Nikolai Solovtsov, Commander of Russia>s Strategic
Missile Forces, was quoted by Interfax as saying that Russia had
bolstered its efforts to develop new missiles.

"At the present time, work has been intensified to create the research
and technical foundation for new missile systems, which will be needed
after 2020," Solovtsov said.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev announced on Nov. 5 that Moscow
would install Iskander short-range missile systems near the Polish
border if Washington proceeds with its missile plans.

Medvedev also said Russia would try to electronically jam the U.S.
system.

Russia>s relations with Washington this year hit their lowest ebb
since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union after a row over the war
against U.S. ally Georgia and Moscow>s recognition of two Georgian
rebel regions as independent states.

Kremlin officials say the U.S. has failed to listen to their concerns
about the missile shield, which Washington says is needed to protect
against "rogue states" such as Iran.

Russia>s missile forces commander said the first of a new generation
of Russian RS-24 intercontinental ballistic missiles will enter
service in December 2009, Interfax reported.

Russia test fired one of the RS-24 missiles on Nov. 26, the third such
test in two years.

Russian generals say the RS-24 can pierce any anti-missile system. It
can be armed with up to 10 different warheads and is intended to
replace Russia>s earlier generation intercontinental missiles such as
the RS-18 and RS-20.

Solovtsov said the global financial crisis probably would impose some
limits on funding, although he said Russia would test 13 missiles next
year, almost double the seven tests this year, Interfax reported.

"Due to the world financial crisis, certain resource restrictions will
be applied but still the (missile) force should be able to fulfil its
duties," he was quoted as saying.

Civilian personnel in Russia>s military forces also will be cut by
150,000 to 600,000 as part of ongoing reforms to defence structures,
Interfax separately reported, quoting a source in Russia>s Defence
Ministry. (Editing by Michael Roddy)

Douglas Eagleson · Guest

On Nov 28, 9:24 am, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
[quote]Maybe we will pull a Tallinn-Valkyrie duplication and cancel out of
the ABM. But the Russians can spend the money and waste the assets, a
lot we care. I do wonder, however, what off-line jamming of a X-band
radar would consist of.

Russia seeks new missiles due to U.S. shield plans

Conor Sweeney
Reuters North American News Service

Nov 28, 2008 08:51 EST

MOSCOW, Nov 28 (Reuters) - Russia has intensified efforts to develop
new ballistic missiles in response to U.S. plans to deploy an anti-
missile system in Europe, Interfax news agency quoted a top Russian
general as saying on Friday.

The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.

Colonel-General Nikolai Solovtsov, Commander of Russia>s Strategic
Missile Forces, was quoted by Interfax as saying that Russia had
bolstered its efforts to develop new missiles.

"At the present time, work has been intensified to create the research
and technical foundation for new missile systems, which will be needed
after 2020," Solovtsov said.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev announced on Nov. 5 that Moscow
would install Iskander short-range missile systems near the Polish
border if Washington proceeds with its missile plans.

Medvedev also said Russia would try to electronically jam the U.S.
system.

Russia>s relations with Washington this year hit their lowest ebb
since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union after a row over the war
against U.S. ally Georgia and Moscow>s recognition of two Georgian
rebel regions as independent states.

Kremlin officials say the U.S. has failed to listen to their concerns
about the missile shield, which Washington says is needed to protect
against "rogue states" such as Iran.

Russia>s missile forces commander said the first of a new generation
of Russian RS-24 intercontinental ballistic missiles will enter
service in December 2009, Interfax reported.

Russia test fired one of the RS-24 missiles on Nov. 26, the third such
test in two years.

Russian generals say the RS-24 can pierce any anti-missile system. It
can be armed with up to 10 different warheads and is intended to
replace Russia>s earlier generation intercontinental missiles such as
the RS-18 and RS-20.

Solovtsov said the global financial crisis probably would impose some
limits on funding, although he said Russia would test 13 missiles next
year, almost double the seven tests this year, Interfax reported.

"Due to the world financial crisis, certain resource restrictions will
be applied but still the (missile) force should be able to fulfil its
duties," he was quoted as saying.

Civilian personnel in Russia>s military forces also will be cut by
150,000 to 600,000 as part of ongoing reforms to defence structures,
Interfax separately reported, quoting a source in Russia>s Defence
Ministry. (Editing by Michael Roddy)
[/quote]
I still have design specs for a new style re-entry cone. I can make
it spiral in with a single little retro rocket mounted on the cone
base.

It make a fancy spiral in, harder to hit with kenetic weapons.

Just think of the balance between cone direction restoring force due
to air friction and cone destabilization. A small region of spiral
force is allowed. It will kick in as air friction is encountered.

A 100 yard diameter spiral with perfect force balance!

Cost is $100K.

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 28, 3:55 pm, Douglas Eagleson <eaglesondoug...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
[quote]On Nov 28, 9:24 am, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net
wrote:

Maybe we will pull a Tallinn-Valkyrie duplication and cancel out of
the ABM. But the Russians can spend the money and waste the assets, a
lot we care. I do wonder, however, what off-line jamming of a X-band
radar would consist of.

Russia seeks new missiles due to U.S. shield plans

Conor Sweeney
Reuters North American News Service

Nov 28, 2008 08:51 EST

MOSCOW, Nov 28 (Reuters) - Russia has intensified efforts to develop
new ballistic missiles in response to U.S. plans to deploy an anti-
missile system in Europe, Interfax news agency quoted a top Russian
general as saying on Friday.

The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.

Colonel-General Nikolai Solovtsov, Commander of Russia>s Strategic
Missile Forces, was quoted by Interfax as saying that Russia had
bolstered its efforts to develop new missiles.

"At the present time, work has been intensified to create the research
and technical foundation for new missile systems, which will be needed
after 2020," Solovtsov said.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev announced on Nov. 5 that Moscow
would install Iskander short-range missile systems near the Polish
border if Washington proceeds with its missile plans.

Medvedev also said Russia would try to electronically jam the U.S.
system.

Russia>s relations with Washington this year hit their lowest ebb
since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union after a row over the war
against U.S. ally Georgia and Moscow>s recognition of two Georgian
rebel regions as independent states.

Kremlin officials say the U.S. has failed to listen to their concerns
about the missile shield, which Washington says is needed to protect
against "rogue states" such as Iran.

Russia>s missile forces commander said the first of a new generation
of Russian RS-24 intercontinental ballistic missiles will enter
service in December 2009, Interfax reported.

Russia test fired one of the RS-24 missiles on Nov. 26, the third such
test in two years.

Russian generals say the RS-24 can pierce any anti-missile system. It
can be armed with up to 10 different warheads and is intended to
replace Russia>s earlier generation intercontinental missiles such as
the RS-18 and RS-20.

Solovtsov said the global financial crisis probably would impose some
limits on funding, although he said Russia would test 13 missiles next
year, almost double the seven tests this year, Interfax reported.

"Due to the world financial crisis, certain resource restrictions will
be applied but still the (missile) force should be able to fulfil its
duties," he was quoted as saying.

Civilian personnel in Russia>s military forces also will be cut by
150,000 to 600,000 as part of ongoing reforms to defence structures,
Interfax separately reported, quoting a source in Russia>s Defence
Ministry. (Editing by Michael Roddy)

I still have design specs for a new style re-entry cone. I can make
it spiral in with a single little retro rocket mounted on the cone
base.

It make a fancy spiral in, harder to hit with kenetic weapons.

Just think of the balance between cone direction restoring force due
to air friction and cone destabilization. A small region of spiral
force is allowed. It will kick in as air friction is encountered.

A 100 yard diameter spiral with perfect force balance!

Cost is $100K.
[/quote]
You do realize that the idea behind the warhead is to hit something,
like a preselected target? What amount of delta v are you adding to
that of the warhead that will make it move in the manner you describe?
15,000 mph and 2540 pounds of Mark 12 RV.

Andrew Swallow · Guest

Jack Linthicum wrote:
[snip]

[quote]
The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.
[/quote]
Russia is making a lot of noise about something that does not make
much sense. Czech is South of Poland so the interceptor missiles are
aimed South West. Moscow and Leningrad are North of Poland so
Russian missiles can simply bypass Poland to hit northern Europe
and the USA.

Interceptors from Poland can hit missiles from Iran, although a
county further west such as Italy may have been a better launch
location. Poland becomes a good launch location when Poland
is the target or the launch sites are in the far East. China is in
the far east, still has a communist government and has long range
nuclear missiles.

Andrew Swallow

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 29, 11:51 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
[quote]Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btinternet.com> wrote in news:q6udnQf-
laa1R63UnZ2dnUVZ8jKdn...@bt.com:

Jack Linthicum wrote:
[snip]

The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.

Russia is making a lot of noise about something that does not make
much sense. Czech is South of Poland so the interceptor missiles are
aimed South West. Moscow and Leningrad are North of Poland so
Russian missiles can simply bypass Poland to hit northern Europe
and the USA.

Interceptors from Poland can hit missiles from Iran, although a
county further west such as Italy may have been a better launch
location. Poland becomes a good launch location when Poland
is the target or the launch sites are in the far East. China is in
the far east, still has a communist government and has long range
nuclear missiles.

Andrew Swallow

we could just station an Aegis cruiser (and ships to protect it)in the
Black Sea.That ought to be a good postition for missiles originating in
Iran.
I>d suggest a couple of recycled oil platforms(radar and missile
battery),except those would be vulnerable to naval attacks.(Iranian or
Rus.subs,small fast-attack missile boats)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
[/quote]
Back in the Georgia war days it was established here that there is a
limit on the amount of time a non-Black Sea power can have a warship
in the Black Sea.

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 29, 2:07 pm, damarkley <deanmark...@comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Nov 29, 11:51 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btinternet.com> wrote in news:q6udnQf-
laa1R63UnZ2dnUVZ8jKdn...@bt.com:

Jack Linthicum wrote:
[snip]
The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S..
anti-missile system.
Russia is making a lot of noise about something that does not make
much sense. Czech is South of Poland so the interceptor missiles are
aimed South West. Moscow and Leningrad are North of Poland so
Russian missiles can simply bypass Poland to hit northern Europe
and the USA.
Interceptors from Poland can hit missiles from Iran, although a
county further west such as Italy may have been a better launch
location. Poland becomes a good launch location when Poland
is the target or the launch sites are in the far East. China is in
the far east, still has a communist government and has long range
nuclear missiles.
Andrew Swallow
we could just station an Aegis cruiser (and ships to protect it)in the
Black Sea.That ought to be a good postition for missiles originating in
Iran.
I>d suggest a couple of recycled oil platforms(radar and missile
battery),except those would be vulnerable to naval attacks.(Iranian or
Rus.subs,small fast-attack missile boats)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Back in the Georgia war days it was established here that there is a
limit on the amount of time a non-Black Sea power can have a warship
in the Black Sea.

So then, lease an Aegis cruiser to Turkey. Or if you really want to
p[iss off the Russians, lease one to Georgia. Seriously though, the
problem here is you can>t just use one cruiser. You need several to
allow for refit, fueling, etc.
** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
[/quote]
There is always the problem of hitting a mine that became unmoored.

Douglas Eagleson · Guest

On Nov 28, 1:10 pm, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
[quote]On Nov 28, 3:55 pm, Douglas Eagleson <eaglesondoug...@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Nov 28, 9:24 am, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net
wrote:

Maybe we will pull a Tallinn-Valkyrie duplication and cancel out of
the ABM. But the Russians can spend the money and waste the assets, a
lot we care. I do wonder, however, what off-line jamming of a X-band
radar would consist of.

Russia seeks new missiles due to U.S. shield plans

Conor Sweeney
Reuters North American News Service

Nov 28, 2008 08:51 EST

MOSCOW, Nov 28 (Reuters) - Russia has intensified efforts to develop
new ballistic missiles in response to U.S. plans to deploy an anti-
missile system in Europe, Interfax news agency quoted a top Russian
general as saying on Friday.

The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.

Colonel-General Nikolai Solovtsov, Commander of Russia>s Strategic
Missile Forces, was quoted by Interfax as saying that Russia had
bolstered its efforts to develop new missiles.

"At the present time, work has been intensified to create the research
and technical foundation for new missile systems, which will be needed
after 2020," Solovtsov said.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev announced on Nov. 5 that Moscow
would install Iskander short-range missile systems near the Polish
border if Washington proceeds with its missile plans.

Medvedev also said Russia would try to electronically jam the U.S.
system.

Russia>s relations with Washington this year hit their lowest ebb
since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union after a row over the war
against U.S. ally Georgia and Moscow>s recognition of two Georgian
rebel regions as independent states.

Kremlin officials say the U.S. has failed to listen to their concerns
about the missile shield, which Washington says is needed to protect
against "rogue states" such as Iran.

Russia>s missile forces commander said the first of a new generation
of Russian RS-24 intercontinental ballistic missiles will enter
service in December 2009, Interfax reported.

Russia test fired one of the RS-24 missiles on Nov. 26, the third such
test in two years.

Russian generals say the RS-24 can pierce any anti-missile system. It
can be armed with up to 10 different warheads and is intended to
replace Russia>s earlier generation intercontinental missiles such as
the RS-18 and RS-20.

Solovtsov said the global financial crisis probably would impose some
limits on funding, although he said Russia would test 13 missiles next
year, almost double the seven tests this year, Interfax reported.

"Due to the world financial crisis, certain resource restrictions will
be applied but still the (missile) force should be able to fulfil its
duties," he was quoted as saying.

Civilian personnel in Russia>s military forces also will be cut by
150,000 to 600,000 as part of ongoing reforms to defence structures,
Interfax separately reported, quoting a source in Russia>s Defence
Ministry. (Editing by Michael Roddy)

I still have design specs for a new style re-entry cone. I can make
it spiral in with a single little retro rocket mounted on the cone
base.

It make a fancy spiral in, harder to hit with kenetic weapons.

Just think of the balance between cone direction restoring force due
to air friction and cone destabilization. A small region of spiral
force is allowed. It will kick in as air friction is encountered.

A 100 yard diameter spiral with perfect force balance!

Cost is $100K.

You do realize that the idea behind the warhead is to hit something,
like a preselected target? What amount of delta v are you adding to
that of the warhead that will make it move in the manner you describe?
15,000 mph and 2540 pounds of Mark 12 RV.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
It is a one pound force retro rocket.

^
|
*************

* *
side view of warhead cone
* *
*

^
| denotes the location of the small spiral causing retro
rocket. It balances the air friction restoring force on the incoming
coned warhead. Below a certain retro force level , air friction
restores the trajectory.

I never really expect $100K by the way. But inovations such as this
spiraled incoming, mean NO kenetic kill ability.

eaglesondouglas123@yahoo.com

zzbunker@netscape.net · Guest

On Nov 28, 12:24 pm, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
[quote]Maybe we will pull a Tallinn-Valkyrie duplication and cancel out of
the ABM. But the Russians can spend the money and waste the assets, a
lot we care. I do wonder, however, what off-line jamming of a X-band
radar would consist of.
[/quote]
It would consist of what all RADAR jamming, the band doesn>t
matter: Spys,
Which is why the Drone counter jammers were built.

[quote]
Russia seeks new missiles due to U.S. shield plans

Conor Sweeney
Reuters North American News Service

Nov 28, 2008 08:51 EST

MOSCOW, Nov 28 (Reuters) - Russia has intensified efforts to develop
new ballistic missiles in response to U.S. plans to deploy an anti-
missile system in Europe, Interfax news agency quoted a top Russian
general as saying on Friday.

The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.

Colonel-General Nikolai Solovtsov, Commander of Russia>s Strategic
Missile Forces, was quoted by Interfax as saying that Russia had
bolstered its efforts to develop new missiles.

"At the present time, work has been intensified to create the research
and technical foundation for new missile systems, which will be needed
after 2020," Solovtsov said.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev announced on Nov. 5 that Moscow
would install Iskander short-range missile systems near the Polish
border if Washington proceeds with its missile plans.

Medvedev also said Russia would try to electronically jam the U.S.
system.

Russia>s relations with Washington this year hit their lowest ebb
since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union after a row over the war
against U.S. ally Georgia and Moscow>s recognition of two Georgian
rebel regions as independent states.

Kremlin officials say the U.S. has failed to listen to their concerns
about the missile shield, which Washington says is needed to protect
against "rogue states" such as Iran.

Russia>s missile forces commander said the first of a new generation
of Russian RS-24 intercontinental ballistic missiles will enter
service in December 2009, Interfax reported.

Russia test fired one of the RS-24 missiles on Nov. 26, the third such
test in two years.

Russian generals say the RS-24 can pierce any anti-missile system. It
can be armed with up to 10 different warheads and is intended to
replace Russia>s earlier generation intercontinental missiles such as
the RS-18 and RS-20.

Solovtsov said the global financial crisis probably would impose some
limits on funding, although he said Russia would test 13 missiles next
year, almost double the seven tests this year, Interfax reported.

"Due to the world financial crisis, certain resource restrictions will
be applied but still the (missile) force should be able to fulfil its
duties," he was quoted as saying.

Civilian personnel in Russia>s military forces also will be cut by
150,000 to 600,000 as part of ongoing reforms to defence structures,
Interfax separately reported, quoting a source in Russia>s Defence
Ministry. (Editing by Michael Roddy)[/quote]

Jim Yanik · Guest

Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in news:q6udnQf-
laa1R63UnZ2dnUVZ8jKdnZ2d@bt.com:

[quote]Jack Linthicum wrote:
[snip]

The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.

Russia is making a lot of noise about something that does not make
much sense. Czech is South of Poland so the interceptor missiles are
aimed South West. Moscow and Leningrad are North of Poland so
Russian missiles can simply bypass Poland to hit northern Europe
and the USA.

Interceptors from Poland can hit missiles from Iran, although a
county further west such as Italy may have been a better launch
location. Poland becomes a good launch location when Poland
is the target or the launch sites are in the far East. China is in
the far east, still has a communist government and has long range
nuclear missiles.

Andrew Swallow

[/quote]
we could just station an Aegis cruiser (and ships to protect it)in the
Black Sea.That ought to be a good postition for missiles originating in
Iran.
I>d suggest a couple of recycled oil platforms(radar and missile
battery),except those would be vulnerable to naval attacks.(Iranian or
Rus.subs,small fast-attack missile boats)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

damarkley · Guest

Jack Linthicum wrote:
[quote]On Nov 29, 11:51 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btinternet.com> wrote in news:q6udnQf-
laa1R63UnZ2dnUVZ8jKdn...@bt.com:

Jack Linthicum wrote:
[snip]
The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.
Russia is making a lot of noise about something that does not make
much sense. Czech is South of Poland so the interceptor missiles are
aimed South West. Moscow and Leningrad are North of Poland so
Russian missiles can simply bypass Poland to hit northern Europe
and the USA.
Interceptors from Poland can hit missiles from Iran, although a
county further west such as Italy may have been a better launch
location. Poland becomes a good launch location when Poland
is the target or the launch sites are in the far East. China is in
the far east, still has a communist government and has long range
nuclear missiles.
Andrew Swallow
we could just station an Aegis cruiser (and ships to protect it)in the
Black Sea.That ought to be a good postition for missiles originating in
Iran.
I>d suggest a couple of recycled oil platforms(radar and missile
battery),except those would be vulnerable to naval attacks.(Iranian or
Rus.subs,small fast-attack missile boats)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Back in the Georgia war days it was established here that there is a
limit on the amount of time a non-Black Sea power can have a warship
in the Black Sea.
So then, lease an Aegis cruiser to Turkey. Or if you really want to[/quote]
p[iss off the Russians, lease one to Georgia. Seriously though, the
problem here is you can>t just use one cruiser. You need several to
allow for refit, fueling, etc.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Fred J. McCall · Guest

damarkley <deanmarkley@comcast.net> wrote:

:Jack Linthicum wrote:
:> On Nov 29, 11:51 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
:>> we could just station an Aegis cruiser (and ships to protect it)in the
:>> Black Sea.That ought to be a good postition for missiles originating in
:>> Iran.
:>> I>d suggest a couple of recycled oil platforms(radar and missile
:>> battery),except those would be vulnerable to naval attacks.(Iranian or
:>> Rus.subs,small fast-attack missile boats)
:>
:> Back in the Georgia war days it was established here that there is a
:> limit on the amount of time a non-Black Sea power can have a warship
:> in the Black Sea.
:So then, lease an Aegis cruiser to Turkey. Or if you really want to
:p[iss off the Russians, lease one to Georgia. Seriously though, the
:problem here is you can>t just use one cruiser. You need several to
:allow for refit, fueling, etc.
:

You also need to keep in mind that an Aegis ship cannot necessarily
hit a ballistic missile everywhere in its trajectory. The ship needs
to be at precisely the right place at precisely the right time in
relation to the launching site or the target.

See, for example, the discussion here:

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/8-7162.aspx

--
You have never lived until you have almost died.
Life has a special meaning that the protected
will never know.

Jim Yanik · Guest

damarkley <deanmarkley@comcast.net> wrote in
news:c0d9e$493192f2$3474@news.teranews.com:

[quote]Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Nov 29, 11:51 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btinternet.com> wrote in news:q6udnQf-
laa1R63UnZ2dnUVZ8jKdn...@bt.com:

Jack Linthicum wrote:
[snip]
The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.
Russia is making a lot of noise about something that does not make
much sense. Czech is South of Poland so the interceptor missiles are
aimed South West. Moscow and Leningrad are North of Poland so
Russian missiles can simply bypass Poland to hit northern Europe
and the USA.
Interceptors from Poland can hit missiles from Iran, although a
county further west such as Italy may have been a better launch
location. Poland becomes a good launch location when Poland
is the target or the launch sites are in the far East. China is in
the far east, still has a communist government and has long range
nuclear missiles.
Andrew Swallow
we could just station an Aegis cruiser (and ships to protect it)in the
Black Sea.That ought to be a good position for missiles originating in
Iran.
I>d suggest a couple of recycled oil platforms(radar and missile
battery),except those would be vulnerable to naval attacks.(Iranian or
Rus.subs,small fast-attack missile boats)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Back in the Georgia war days it was established here that there is a
limit on the amount of time a non-Black Sea power can have a warship
in the Black Sea.
So then, lease an Aegis cruiser to Turkey. Or if you really want to
p[iss off the Russians, lease one to Georgia. Seriously though, the
problem here is you can>t just use one cruiser. You need several to
allow for refit, fueling, etc.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

[/quote]
Problem;leasing a cruiser to another country places the ship out of your
control.
It>s like launching attacks from a leased base on foreign soil;you can>t
always depend on getting permission,or them not leaking info about your
plans.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Richard Casady · Guest

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:11:59 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
<jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote:

[quote]On Nov 29, 2:07 pm, damarkley <deanmark...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Nov 29, 11:51 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btinternet.com> wrote in news:q6udnQf-
laa1R63UnZ2dnUVZ8jKdn...@bt.com:

Jack Linthicum wrote:
[snip]
The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.
Russia is making a lot of noise about something that does not make
much sense. Czech is South of Poland so the interceptor missiles are
aimed South West. Moscow and Leningrad are North of Poland so
Russian missiles can simply bypass Poland to hit northern Europe
and the USA.
Interceptors from Poland can hit missiles from Iran, although a
county further west such as Italy may have been a better launch
location. Poland becomes a good launch location when Poland
is the target or the launch sites are in the far East. China is in
the far east, still has a communist government and has long range
nuclear missiles.
Andrew Swallow
we could just station an Aegis cruiser (and ships to protect it)in the
Black Sea.That ought to be a good postition for missiles originating in
Iran.
I>d suggest a couple of recycled oil platforms(radar and missile
battery),except those would be vulnerable to naval attacks.(Iranian or
Rus.subs,small fast-attack missile boats)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Back in the Georgia war days it was established here that there is a
limit on the amount of time a non-Black Sea power can have a warship
in the Black Sea.

So then, lease an Aegis cruiser to Turkey. Or if you really want to
p[iss off the Russians, lease one to Georgia. Seriously though, the
problem here is you can>t just use one cruiser. You need several to
allow for refit, fueling, etc.
** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

There is always the problem of hitting a mine that became unmoored.
[/quote]
And try to prove a fish wasn>t an accidental mining.

Casady

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 30, 2:07 pm, damarkley <deanmark...@comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]Douglas Eagleson wrote:
On Nov 28, 1:10 pm, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net
wrote:
On Nov 28, 3:55 pm, Douglas Eagleson <eaglesondoug...@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Nov 28, 9:24 am, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net
wrote:
Maybe we will pull a Tallinn-Valkyrie duplication and cancel out of
the ABM. But the Russians can spend the money and waste the assets, a
lot we care. I do wonder, however, what off-line jamming of a X-band
radar would consist of.
Russia seeks new missiles due to U.S. shield plans
Conor Sweeney
Reuters North American News Service
Nov 28, 2008 08:51 EST
MOSCOW, Nov 28 (Reuters) - Russia has intensified efforts to develop
new ballistic missiles in response to U.S. plans to deploy an anti-
missile system in Europe, Interfax news agency quoted a top Russian
general as saying on Friday.
The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S..
anti-missile system.
Colonel-General Nikolai Solovtsov, Commander of Russia>s Strategic
Missile Forces, was quoted by Interfax as saying that Russia had
bolstered its efforts to develop new missiles.
"At the present time, work has been intensified to create the research
and technical foundation for new missile systems, which will be needed
after 2020," Solovtsov said.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev announced on Nov. 5 that Moscow
would install Iskander short-range missile systems near the Polish
border if Washington proceeds with its missile plans.
Medvedev also said Russia would try to electronically jam the U.S.
system.
Russia>s relations with Washington this year hit their lowest ebb
since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union after a row over the war
against U.S. ally Georgia and Moscow>s recognition of two Georgian
rebel regions as independent states.
Kremlin officials say the U.S. has failed to listen to their concerns
about the missile shield, which Washington says is needed to protect
against "rogue states" such as Iran.
Russia>s missile forces commander said the first of a new generation
of Russian RS-24 intercontinental ballistic missiles will enter
service in December 2009, Interfax reported.
Russia test fired one of the RS-24 missiles on Nov. 26, the third such
test in two years.
Russian generals say the RS-24 can pierce any anti-missile system. It
can be armed with up to 10 different warheads and is intended to
replace Russia>s earlier generation intercontinental missiles such as
the RS-18 and RS-20.
Solovtsov said the global financial crisis probably would impose some
limits on funding, although he said Russia would test 13 missiles next
year, almost double the seven tests this year, Interfax reported.
"Due to the world financial crisis, certain resource restrictions will
be applied but still the (missile) force should be able to fulfil its
duties," he was quoted as saying.
Civilian personnel in Russia>s military forces also will be cut by
150,000 to 600,000 as part of ongoing reforms to defence structures,
Interfax separately reported, quoting a source in Russia>s Defence
Ministry. (Editing by Michael Roddy)
I still have design specs for a new style re-entry cone. I can make
it spiral in with a single little retro rocket mounted on the cone
base.
It make a fancy spiral in, harder to hit with kenetic weapons.
Just think of the balance between cone direction restoring force due
to air friction and cone destabilization. A small region of spiral
force is allowed. It will kick in as air friction is encountered.
A 100 yard diameter spiral with perfect force balance!
Cost is $100K.
You do realize that the idea behind the warhead is to hit something,
like a preselected target? What amount of delta v are you adding to
that of the warhead that will make it move in the manner you describe?
15,000 mph and 2540 pounds of Mark 12 RV.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It is a one pound force retro rocket.

^
|
*************

* *
side view of warhead cone
* *
*

^
| denotes the location of the small spiral causing retro
rocket. It balances the air friction restoring force on the incoming
coned warhead. Below a certain retro force level , air friction
restores the trajectory.

I never really expect $100K by the way. But inovations such as this
spiraled incoming, mean NO kenetic kill ability.

eaglesondouglas...@yahoo.com

"One pound force"? Odd terminalogy from such an expert.....
** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
[/quote]
Even odder thinking it will work at that level.

damarkley · Guest

Douglas Eagleson wrote:
[quote]On Nov 28, 1:10 pm, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net
wrote:
On Nov 28, 3:55 pm, Douglas Eagleson <eaglesondoug...@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Nov 28, 9:24 am, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net
wrote:
Maybe we will pull a Tallinn-Valkyrie duplication and cancel out of
the ABM. But the Russians can spend the money and waste the assets, a
lot we care. I do wonder, however, what off-line jamming of a X-band
radar would consist of.
Russia seeks new missiles due to U.S. shield plans
Conor Sweeney
Reuters North American News Service
Nov 28, 2008 08:51 EST
MOSCOW, Nov 28 (Reuters) - Russia has intensified efforts to develop
new ballistic missiles in response to U.S. plans to deploy an anti-
missile system in Europe, Interfax news agency quoted a top Russian
general as saying on Friday.
The decision by the United States to deploy interceptor missiles in
Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic has angered Moscow,
which says Russia>s national security will be compromised by the U.S.
anti-missile system.
Colonel-General Nikolai Solovtsov, Commander of Russia>s Strategic
Missile Forces, was quoted by Interfax as saying that Russia had
bolstered its efforts to develop new missiles.
"At the present time, work has been intensified to create the research
and technical foundation for new missile systems, which will be needed
after 2020," Solovtsov said.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev announced on Nov. 5 that Moscow
would install Iskander short-range missile systems near the Polish
border if Washington proceeds with its missile plans.
Medvedev also said Russia would try to electronically jam the U.S.
system.
Russia>s relations with Washington this year hit their lowest ebb
since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union after a row over the war
against U.S. ally Georgia and Moscow>s recognition of two Georgian
rebel regions as independent states.
Kremlin officials say the U.S. has failed to listen to their concerns
about the missile shield, which Washington says is needed to protect
against "rogue states" such as Iran.
Russia>s missile forces commander said the first of a new generation
of Russian RS-24 intercontinental ballistic missiles will enter
service in December 2009, Interfax reported.
Russia test fired one of the RS-24 missiles on Nov. 26, the third such
test in two years.
Russian generals say the RS-24 can pierce any anti-missile system. It
can be armed with up to 10 different warheads and is intended to
replace Russia>s earlier generation intercontinental missiles such as
the RS-18 and RS-20.
Solovtsov said the global financial crisis probably would impose some
limits on funding, although he said Russia would test 13 missiles next
year, almost double the seven tests this year, Interfax reported.
"Due to the world financial crisis, certain resource restrictions will
be applied but still the (missile) force should be able to fulfil its
duties," he was quoted as saying.
Civilian personnel in Russia>s military forces also will be cut by
150,000 to 600,000 as part of ongoing reforms to defence structures,
Interfax separately reported, quoting a source in Russia>s Defence
Ministry. (Editing by Michael Roddy)
I still have design specs for a new style re-entry cone. I can make
it spiral in with a single little retro rocket mounted on the cone
base.
It make a fancy spiral in, harder to hit with kenetic weapons.
Just think of the balance between cone direction restoring force due
to air friction and cone destabilization. A small region of spiral
force is allowed. It will kick in as air friction is encountered.
A 100 yard diameter spiral with perfect force balance!
Cost is $100K.
You do realize that the idea behind the warhead is to hit something,
like a preselected target? What amount of delta v are you adding to
that of the warhead that will make it move in the manner you describe?
15,000 mph and 2540 pounds of Mark 12 RV.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It is a one pound force retro rocket.

^
|
*************

* *
side view of warhead cone
* *
*

^
| denotes the location of the small spiral causing retro
rocket. It balances the air friction restoring force on the incoming
coned warhead. Below a certain retro force level , air friction
restores the trajectory.

I never really expect $100K by the way. But inovations such as this
spiraled incoming, mean NO kenetic kill ability.

eaglesondouglas123@yahoo.com
"One pound force"? Odd terminalogy from such an expert.....[/quote]
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